a-lily-of-peace
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I truly hope for the best for all, that’s how he taught us to pray, give us, forgive us, not give me and forgive me.
who am I to say what will happen in the end
in that, who is anyone?
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THE FALSE TEACHINGS OF UNIVERSALISM - BEWARE!
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Dear Fine, JESUS is the living Word of God and it is only in His Word that one my find the loving Christ we seek. Pointing all to the teachings of men that lead away from Gods' Word is only taking them away from JESUS who is the Word.
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I think I remember thinking, as you did, that the Kingdom should go on, even if I did not. For myself, I now wonder how I was ever made a disciple, given the threat of Hell. It is hardly an attractant...
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It is so sad that for many years the church had to reduce its message to a heaven or hell theme in order to persuade people into a decision for Christ. The Gospel persuades man what God believes and what God achieved on humanity’s behalf in the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ.
If the Gospel has the power to get people to fall head over heels in love with God and to love their neighbor as much as they love themselves, then this Gospel demands our total attention and emphasis. This automatically frees anyone anyway from the dread of hell or any sense of pending punishment. There is no law against the free expression of the fruit of the spirit. No one can exaggerate love, peace, joy, endurance, kindness, goodness, faith, gentleness, self control. Legalism can neither match nor contradict this.
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Francois du Toit on rejecting a Christless universalism-Divine Embrace
Our message is powerful enough to stop people in their tracks with the best news ever! Sin in its every disguise doesn’t have what it takes to even remotely match the attraction and total contentment and appeal of the Christ life!
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Dear Lover: I realize that I have only posted men who have grasped the Hope of all hopes. Rest assured the women are coming!
By these three prepositions Paul ascribes the universe (ta pavnte) with all the phenomena concerning creation, redemption, providence to God as the…
Ex= The Source
Di= The Agent
Eiv= The Goal
The Koine, ta pavnte, is the strongest word for all in the Scriptures; it literally means the all.
Ta pavnte “in the absolute sense of the whole of creation, the all things, the universe, and, everything in heaven and earth that is in need of uniting and redeeming.”
It is not in the limited sense of “nearly all”, “pavnte” minus “ta”
The final preposition [eiv) reveals the ultimate goal of all that is. What has been provided in Christ is a re-turn, a re-storation, a re-newing, a re-demption, a re-concilation, a re-surrection, a re-stitution.
The prefix “re” means back again, again, anew–and all the words with this prefix speak of something that left its place and has now made its circuit and come back to the point of its beginning.
In the Christian story God descends to reascend. He comes down;… down to the very roots and sea-bed of the Nature He has created. But He goes down to come up again and bring the whole ruined world up with Him. -C.S. Lewis
By these three prepositions Paul ascribes the universe (ta pavnte) with all the phenomena concerning creation, redemption, providence to God as the…
Ex= The Source
Di= The Agent
Eiv= The Goal
The Koine, ta pavnte, is the strongest word for all in the Scriptures; it literally means the all.
Ta pavnte “in the absolute sense of the whole of creation, the all things, the universe, and, everything in heaven and earth that is in need of uniting and redeeming.”
It is not in the limited sense of “nearly all”, “pavnte” minus “ta”
The final preposition [eiv) reveals the ultimate goal of all that is. What has been provided in Christ is a re-turn, a re-storation, a re-newing, a re-demption, a re-concilation, a re-surrection, a re-stitution.
The prefix “re” means back again, again, anew–and all the words with this prefix speak of something that left its place and has now made its circuit and come back to the point of its beginning.
In the Christian story God descends to reascend. He comes down;… down to the very roots and sea-bed of the Nature He has created. But He goes down to come up again and bring the whole ruined world up with Him. -C.S. Lewis
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I am sorry dear FINE you feel the need to point people to the teachings of men and woman that lead people away from God and his Word. JESUS is only found by all who seek him through his Word as he is the living Word, the bread which comes down from heaven that all must eat and the living water that all must drink if they seek everlasting life. Also, we have looked at all your claims to the GREEK already only to show that they do not effect the message of interpretation of the scriptures that all translations agree on. So not sure why you still feel the need to go there. If you still continue to rely on the gambling lady of second chances and teach others to do the same will put not only you but all others who follow her if because of your teaching lead others to temptation thinking I will live life like the devil today and take my second chance tomorrow when there is no second chance. His reward is with him dear Fine to give to everyone at the second coming *REVELATION 22:11-12 and he is coming like a theif in the night to all those who are not ready thinking they have a second chance when there is none. We only have today. We do not know if we have tommorrow. We need to be ready today to see JESUS tommorrow as tommorrow may be to late for those who are not ready today.
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Dear Lover: this new camaraderie is a wonderful extension of this lovely link you desired to begin. Your God is the God of chances. That is truly ducky if you subscribe to chance in Abba's Plan of the reconciliation of ta pavnte. Unfortunately for you and others who believe in chance, your delusion will evaporate as your sums evaporate at the heavenly roulette wheel.
As we have already seen "all" translations of koine do not agree. I have my right hand up, (do you see it waving?) I vow that your gambling ways of your new friend Fine will never be followed by me.
The Heavenly Parade of women who grasp the Hope of all hopes is about to begin. Hark, I hear the chorus singing in the distance? Stay tuned.
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This is what an earthly saviour looks like.
" I believe that it is impossible to set limits to the grace of God. I believe that not only in this world, but in any other world there may be, the grace of God is still effective, still operative, still at work. I do not believe that the operation of the grace of God is limited to this world. I believe that the grace of God is as wide as the universe." -Dr. Wm. Barclay-
" I believe that it is impossible to set limits to the grace of God. I believe that not only in this world, but in any other world there may be, the grace of God is still effective, still operative, still at work. I do not believe that the operation of the grace of God is limited to this world. I believe that the grace of God is as wide as the universe." -Dr. Wm. Barclay-
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I never really thought much about hell. I don’t like how “repent (return to Me) for the Kingdom of Heaven is at hand” gets translated as “repent (away from your sin) or you will go to hell” but there is still a very strong message of don’t go that way.
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There is no such thing as the concept of eternal burning Hell. This is a false teaching handed down to much of Christianity by the Roman Catholic Church. It is one of two extreme views. The eternal burning hell doctrine looks at God's justice and judgement but lack God's love and mercy while the other extreme false teaching is Universalism which look at God's love and mercy but ignores God's justice and judgements. They are polar opposites and both not biblical.
God bless.
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Sorry dear friend enough with the nonsense as there is no truth in your words so we will have to agree to disagree. Yours is the one is it not following the gambling lady second chances? So I think your words here of chances only applies to what you are sharing here in this wonderful thread of life so I will leave you dear friend to your own delusions. My God is a might God of love and mercy and justice and judgement who loves all people but in no means clears those who reject the gift of God's dear son...
NUMBERS 14:18 The LORD is long-suffering, and of great mercy, forgiving iniquity and transgression, and by no means clearing the guilty, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and fourth generation.
Only God's Word is true dear friend and we much believe and follow it over the teachings of men that deny the words of God.
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Yep I think both of those doctrines are a form of purgatory. One view people stay in and burn forever and in the other view some get out when ever someone repents. Both views are not biblical and to me make God out to be some sort of tyrant. I do not see God's love in either views. One torturing people forever and the other torturing people and forcing them to follow him. God never forces anyone to follow him other wise there would be no point to free will.
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Indeed; in fact I elaborated on MacDonald's argument. If I recall, in his example he used the theft of a watch as his example.
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True, it will work out perfect for those who believe and follow God and not so much for those who do not.
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Dear Lover: You forgot article 7.
The punishment of the unrepentant is called the second death: After the final judgment the unrepentant receive their punishment. This punishment is called the second death. “Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death. Anyone whose name was not found written in the book of life was thrown into the lake of fire” (Rev. 20:14, 15; see also 21:8). The Bible also uses words such as “perishing” and “destruction” in speaking of the ultimate fate of the unrepentant (e.g., 2 Peter 3:7, 9; John 3:16; Heb. 10:28; Mal. 4:1). These descriptions confirm that the second death refers to annihilation (or extinction) of the unrepentant, rather than a continual and eternal conscious torment.
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Dear Lover: Our new camaraderie has only begun in "this wonderful thread." Surely you jest about leaving me, surely!
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You said you believe in annihilation which is no different from ECT in the sense that both views contradict God's purpose to reconcile all to himself. Those who are annihilated are never reconciled with God in direct contradiction to Col 1:20.
You are preaching to the choir as I agree with the conditional nature of salvation. The requirements of believing and obeying are essential to being saved. The difference between you and I boils down to your claim that there are "no second chances." I claim the opposite as all unsaved sinners end up in the lake of fire but they do get a second chance and are not annihilated as you allege. On what basis do I make that claim? Read Rev 22.
Rev 22:14 references the city - New Jerusalem which has come down from heaven and is situated on the new earth per Rev 21:1-2.
V.14 states Blessed are those washing their robes, that their right will be to the tree of life, and they shall enter into the city by the gates. (BLB)
We know that the saints of God are already in the New Jerusalem and as such have already washed their robes and made them clean since no sin exists in the city. So the pertinent question is, since the saints in the New Jerusalem have already washed their robes, who are those still washing their robes so that they will have the right to enter the gates of the city? The answer to that is found in the very next verse.
Outside are the dogs, and the sorcerers, and the sexually immoral, and the murderers, and the idolaters, and everyone loving and practicing falsehood. Rev 22:15 (BLB)
V.15 states that the people outside the New Jerusalem are all the sinners (dogs, sorcerers, sexually immoral, etc.) in the lake of fire. Since those in the city have already washed their robes, the only people left to do their washing is those outside the city in the lake of fire. V.14 states that they will be blessed and will have the right to the tree of life and shall enter the city gates.
Thus those in the lake of fire do get a second chance but they have to go through the lake of fire and wash their robes first in order to enter the gates of the New Jerusalem.
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