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True, the prophecies are to teach us that He is the Christ/Messiah.
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True, the prophecies are to teach us that He is the Christ/Messiah.
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No it didn't. It was always about bringing the lost back to the father. The message has been the same since the beginning. Repent. Come out.
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That's all you get out of it? Why do you suppose that all has not been fulfilled? Don't you think that maybe there's a little more to it than that? Even Satan knows that Yahshua is Messiah.
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I am not considered as one of the Israelites of the OT.
I am counted as one of Abraham's offspring by faith. This faith that I have was reckoned to Abraham even before he conceived Isaac, the father of Jacob/Israel and the Israelites.
Galatians 3:29
And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s offspring, heirs according to promise.
My covenant:
Romans 10:12-14
For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; the same Lord is Lord of all and bestows his riches upon all who call upon him. 13 For, “every one who calls upon the name of the Lord will be saved.”
Revelation 2:10b
Be faithful unto death, and I will give you the crown of life.
Hallelujah!
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I am in Abraham's covenant; and in YHWH's covenant with Israel. I don't intend to boast. I simply encourage you to take the next step in your walk.
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The second coming is a biggie that I look forward to. Will it happen in my time? We shall see.
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I am in Abraham's covenant but I am not in covenant with Israel. Jesus has only one covenant now, His new covenant.
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the new covenant that Christ is the mediator of is between God & Israel.
If you're not Israel, you're not in the new covenant.
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This passage does not state that the Lord (Jesus) is making a covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah only and thereby this covenant will not apply to any people who are not of the house of Israel and the house of Judah.
Jeremiah 31:31-33
Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah, 32 not like the covenant which I made with their fathers when I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, my covenant which they broke, though I was their husband, says the Lord. 33 But this is the covenant which I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put my law within them, and I will write it upon their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
In fact, non-Israelites will also be saved by this very same covenant.
Romans 10:13
For, “every one who calls upon the name of the Lord will be saved.”
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Dkh587 said:
Matthew 26:28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.
Mark 14:24 And he said unto them, This is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many.
Luke 22:20 Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you.
Matthew 28:18-20
18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
19 Go ye therefore, and teach ALL NATIONS, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
Mark 14:24 And he said unto them, This is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many.
Luke 22:20 Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you.
Matthew 28:18-20
18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
19 Go ye therefore, and teach ALL NATIONS, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
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This one clarifies it a little more. It explains that Judah must become Israel. In the end, ALL will be one with YHWH so that he can be ALL in ALL!
(CLV) Hb 8:10
"For this is the covenant which I shall be covenanting with the house of Israel after those days," the Lord is saying: "Imparting My laws to their comprehension, On their hearts, also, shall I be inscribing them, And I shall be to them for a God, And they shall be to Me for a people.
Here is who Yahshua was commissioned for:
(CLV) Mt 15:24
Now He, [Yahshua] answering, said, "I was not commissioned except for the lost sheep of the house of Israel."
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Zechariah 12:7. The LORD also shall save the tents of Judah first, that the glory of the house of David and the glory of the inhabitants of Jerusalem do not magnify themselves against Judah.
The present covenant to the church is 'sure mercies of David'.
Isaiah 55:3. Incline your ear, and come unto me: hear, and your soul shall live; and I will make an everlasting covenant with you, even the sure mercies of David.
Acts 13:34. And as concerning that he raised him up from the dead, now no more to return to corruption, he said on this wise, I will give you the sure mercies of David.
The House of David is the Ephrathites, [Bethlehem Ephratah], descendants of Caleb the Kenizzite, by his Hebrew wife Ephrathah. He received his inheritance in the region of Hebron by faith, by the promise of Moses for his faithful witness after the scouting expedition. He alone stood with Joshua. He was 'grafted in to Judah, and was considered 'near of kin', not flesh of my flesh and bone of my bone.
Luke 1:32. He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:
Isaiah 16:5. And in mercy shall the throne be established: and he shall sit upon it in truth in the tabernacle of David, judging, and seeking judgment, and hasting righteousness.
Amos 9:11. In that day will I raise up the tabernacle of David that is fallen, and close up the breaches thereof; and I will raise up his ruins, and I will build it as in the days of old:
Acts 15:16. After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up:
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You cite this verse often. A stranger sojourning with you clearly refers to foreigners who would come to live in the land of Israel, and come under the covenant law. It is just as concerned with mistreatment of strangers as it is with keeping Torah. You surely cannot apply this now, for even national Israel does not abide under the Law of YHWH, they would just need a visa. You highlight forever, but until the Tishbite comes to restore all, there is nothing present, no generation to direct that statute. Let the time of the Gentiles complete, and then see what happens. Who are you preaching to, since it is not the choir?
Luke 21:24. Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.
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You might have this one confused with many others that say the same thing. I don't quote this particular one very often. I brought out special; as it was given right after the command for Passover. The relevance goes deep on this one.
Ger toshav agree to follow most aspects of the law; but they do not come into covenant. It's sort of like having a green card in the U.S. You're not a citizen; but you follow the laws. and you have the same protections as legal citizens.
The strangers being ger toshav. Ger Toshav must respect Torah.
Can too.
Non sequitur You're talking about the land. I'm taking about Yahudim.
Actually the land of Israel is considering reinstating the ger toshav system. Irony.
It is trodden by those who are not Yahudim. You said so yourself. If they were true Israel; the Torah would be the only law of the land.
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Here is a list that I compiled including N15:15. Was I wrong in doing so?
Exodus 22:21. You shall neither mistreat a stranger nor oppress him, for you were strangers in the land of Egypt.
Exodus 23:9. Also you shall not oppress a stranger, for you know the heart of a stranger, because you were strangers in the land of Egypt.
Leviticus 19:34. The stranger who dwells among you shall be to you as one born among you, and you shall love him as yourself; as you were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the Lord your God.
Numbers 15:14, 15. One ordinance shall be for you of the assembly and for the stranger who dwells with you, an ordinance forever throughout your generations; as you are, so shall the stranger be before the Lord. One law and one custom shall be for you and for the stranger who dwells with you.
Deuteronomy 10:18, 19. He administers justice for the fatherless and the widow, and loves the stranger, giving him food and clothing. Therefore love the stranger, for you were strangers in the land of Egypt.
Isaiah 56:1-8. Do not let the son of the foreigner who has joined himself to the Lord speak saying “The Lord has utterly separated me from His people”. Also the sons of the foreigner who join themselves to the Lord, to serve Him, and to love the name of the Lord, to be His servants. I will bring them to My holy mountain and make them joyful in My house of prayer. For My house shall be called a house of prayer for all nations. The Lord God, who gathers the outcasts of Israel, says, “Yet I will gather to him others besides those who are gathered to him.”
Jeremiah 22:3. Thus says the Lord: “Execute judgment and righteousness, and deliver the plundered out of the hand of the oppressor. Do no wrong and do no violence to the stranger, the fatherless, or the widow, nor shed innocent blood in this place.
Ezekiel 22:29. The people of the land have used oppressions, committed robbery, and mistreated the poor and needy; and they wrongfully oppress the stranger.
Malachi 3:5. And I will come near you to judgment; and I will be a swift witness against the sorcerers, and against the adulterers, and against false oaths, and against those that oppress the hireling in his wages, the widow, and the fatherless, and that turn aside the stranger from his right, and fear not me, saith the Lord of hosts.
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So, you are saying that Jesus did not come for the house of Judah and that they must become Israel even though Scripture states elsewhere that He definitely will make His new covenant with the house of Judah and the house of Israel? Jesus was of the house of Judah which includes the house of David. Jesus did not command the Jews (house of Judah) to become Israelites again under His new covenant.
Jeremiah 31:31
[ A New Covenant ] “Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah,
Joel also states:
Joel 2:32
And it shall come to pass that all who call upon the name of the Lord shall be delivered; for in Mount Zion and in Jerusalem there shall be those who escape, as the Lord has said, and among the survivors shall be those whom the Lord calls.
Jesus makes His new covenant with whoever believes His gospel/keeps His commandments. This means both Jews and non-Jews (and some of these non-Jews are descendants of members of the Ten Lost Tribes of Israel).
Romans 10:13
For, “every one who calls upon the name of the Lord will be saved.”
There is no NT Scripture which states that Christians must become Israel and/or remain Israel in order to become/remain saved and inherit eternal life.
RE: ALL in ALL.
Ephesians 1:17-23
that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give you a spirit of wisdom and of revelation in the knowledge of him, 18 having the eyes of your hearts enlightened, that you may know what is the hope to which he has called you, what are the riches of his glorious inheritance in the saints, 19 and what is the immeasurable greatness of his power in us who believe, according to the working of his great might 20 which he accomplished in Christ when he raised him from the dead and made him sit at his right hand in the heavenly places, 21 far above all rule and authority and power and dominion, and above every name that is named, not only in this age but also in that which is to come; 22 and he (GOD the Father) has put all things under his (Jesus Christ's) feet and has made him (Jesus Christ) the head over all things for the church, 23 which is his body, the fulness of him who fills all in all.
Jesus Christ is the head over all things for the Church which is His body. Israel is not His body. The Church is His body.
1 Corinthians 10:32
Give no offense to Jews (non-Christians) or to Greeks (non-Christians) or to the church of God
Who comprises this Church of Jesus Christ/God? The Church of Jesus Christ/God is home to all who believe in Him and obey His commandments. All Gentiles and Jews, slaves and free peoples, and males and females who believe in and obey Jesus Christ's gospel are members of His Church.
Acts 15:14
Symeon has related how God first visited the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his name.
1 Thessalonians 2:14
For you, brethren, became imitators of the churches of God in Christ Jesus which are in Judea; for you suffered the same things from your own countrymen as they did from the Jews,
1 Timothy 3:15
if I am delayed, you may know how one ought to behave in the household of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and bulwark of the truth.
The Church of Jesus Christ is now called the people/household of God. The Israelite heritage has no distinction in the Church of Jesus Christ.
Romans 3:22
the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all who believe. For there is no distinction;
Romans 10:12
For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; the same Lord is Lord of all and bestows his riches upon all who call upon him.
Romans 9:26
“And in the very place where it was said to them, ‘You are not my people,’ they will be called ‘sons of the living God.’”
The Church of Jesus Christ is now called the household of God.
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