CIA issued warning about hydroxychloroquine

TLK Valentine said:

Nope -- you're thinking of the media he wants you to hate; and what choice do you have?

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There is that recurring question -

What choice do I have?

I have the choice to read for myself and make my own decisions - or blindly follow the media.

That is what choice I have.

TLK Valentine said:

Seems to me that you've taken a third option.

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What other choice do you have?

Stanfordella said:

Clinical trials in Sweden, Brazil, and France have ended abruptly and tragically ...

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While the news that the trials were stopped came out a while back, now comes the publication of the results of the Brazilian study in JAMA.

Citing a high risk of death, researchers cut short a study testing anti-malaria drug chloroquine as a potential treatment for Covid-19 after some patients developed irregular heart beats and nearly two dozen died after taking doses daily.

Scientists say the findings, published Friday in JAMA Network Open, should prompt some degree of skepticism from the public toward enthusiastic claims and perhaps “serve to curb the exuberant use” of the drug, which has been touted by President Donald Trump as a potential “game changer” in the fight against the coronavirus.

hislegacy said:

There is that recurring question -

What choice do I have?

I have the choice to read for myself and make my own decisions - or blindly follow the media.

That is what choice I have.

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And it’s just a total coincidence that the decisions you reach just happen to perfectly align with those that Donald tells you..

hislegacy said:

I have the choice to read for myself and make my own decisions - or blindly follow the media.

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But that's exactly what you are doing: rather than trust scientists and the papers that you can read just like anyone else you are trusting the media who report what Mr Trump says.

TLK Valentine said:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...129d64-7dba-11ea-8013-1b6da0e4a2b7_story.html



Let the record show another vote of "no confidence" in Dr. Donald's cure-all.

Thoughts?

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Traitors! Purge them!

Neal82 said:

Ella's writing is worth its weight in gold. Her suffer no fools gladly attitude is priceless. My wife isn't a member here but has been coming only to search out and read Ella's posts. She's been on the front lines of this pandemic since January. It's encouraging and relaxing to her to read Ella's posts. This is a future leader in the making and that is reassuring. She made me log in to find out why her picture is now gone and is disappointed to learn that she closed her account. We hope she comes back.

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Cimorene said:

I took a screenshot of this & am texting it to her.

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This is the entire reason I did.

This was a little ray of sunshine that fell on my face during a very stormy week. Thank you.

Stanfordella said:

This is the entire reason I did.

This was a little ray of sunshine that fell on my face during a very stormy week. Thank you.

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Yay...! Welcome back....

essentialsaltes said:

While the news that the trials were stopped came out a while back, now comes the publication of the results of the Brazilian study in JAMA.

Citing a high risk of death, researchers cut short a study testing anti-malaria drug chloroquine as a potential treatment for Covid-19 after some patients developed irregular heart beats and nearly two dozen died after taking doses daily.

Scientists say the findings, published Friday in JAMA Network Open, should prompt some degree of skepticism from the public toward enthusiastic claims and perhaps “serve to curb the exuberant use” of the drug, which has been touted by President Donald Trump as a potential “game changer” in the fight against the coronavirus.

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I'm Stanfordella, just with a new user name and picture. Thanks for the links!

The findings should pump the breaks on the zealous hype and curb some of the exuberant use of the drugs, but there's far more people who watch Fox News than there are who read JAMA. Scientists expressed hope restrained by reason. But the propaganda by those who aren't scientists has been driven by hubris, tribalism, and political strategy rather than the genuine interest of public health, so I think the brake line has been effectively cut by ardent apologists who will pedal to the metal with it regardless. Steve Bannon and Fox News will always find someone to feature as an expert (even if they aren't - this wildfire of publicity was sparked by a charlatan presented falsely as a Stanford Med School advisor) who will give clickbait zingers enforcing the narrative and denouncing all that refutes it. Any study that shows the smallest morsel of hope will be blown up.

Bolsonaro's flamboyant and aggressive hyping has been as unmoored from prudence and fact as Trump's. Twitter deleted posts of his that parroted Trump's propaganda on chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine because they were in violation of their policy prohibiting misleading content pertaining to the pandemic, as it can cause a swift, tangible, and sometimes irretrievable harm to public health. It also took down tweets from Rudy Giuliani, who called the treatment “100 percent effective” after touting a New York doctor’s bombastic claims about it being a cure that are not merely dubious but defiant of reason and yet thoroughly believed by many; and Fox News host Laura Ingraham, who misleadingly described a patient’s “Lazarus”-like recovery. Facebook also removed the Bolsonaro content and flagged the “100 percent effective” claim as false. But disinformation will continue to mutate online.

What's really unfortunate (in addition to causing dramatic and consequential shortages of the medications) is that the fervor and wildly disproportionate attention given to hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine have derailed the search for coronavirus treatments.

There’s a tremendous bias,” says Valdés-Ferrer, who is studying the effects of a dementia drug on COVID-19. “Studies of any other drug that are enrolling all ages and degrees of severity are in big trouble.”

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