Whatever Happened to Forever?

HARK! · Apr 25, 2020

Fullness of the Gentiles said:
Jesus is the Word that proceeded out of the mouth of God. Leave Moses alone. He was not allowed to enter into the promised land. He perished in the same wilderness you are in now, spiritually.

Moses was a type of Yahshua. Moses was given the same word that Yahshua told us to obey.

HARK! · Apr 25, 2020

visionary said:
Who thundered the Laws from on high? Moses?? Whose finger was it that wrote it in stone? Moses??

Testify it Sister!

HARK! · Apr 25, 2020

visionary said:
How can apostles and Yeshua add to that which is already there and they kept?

It would seem that would make them false prophets.

Deuteronomy 13
CLV(i) 1 In case there arises a prophet or a dreamer of dreams among you, and he gives to you a sign or a miracle, 2 and the sign or the miracle comes about, of which he spoke to you, saying:Let us go after other elohim (whom you have not known), and let us serve them, 3 you shall not hearken to the words of that prophet or to that dreamer of dreams because Yahweh your Elohim is probing you to know whether you are loving Yahweh your Elohim with all your heart and with all your soul. 4 After Yahweh your Elohim shall you go, and Him shall you fear; His instructions shall you observe, and to His voice shall you hearken; Him shall you serve, and to Him shall you cling. 5 Then that prophet or that dreamer of dreams shall be put to death because he spoke of defection from Yahweh your Elohim (the One bringing you forth from the country of Egypt and the One ransoming you from the house of servants) so as to induce you from the way in which Yahweh your Elohim has instructed you to walk. Hence eradicate the evil from among you. 6 In case your brother, the son of your father, or the son of your mother or your son or your daughter or the wife of your bosom or your associate who is as your own soul should incite you in concealment, saying:Let us go, and let us serve other elohim (whom you have not known, you or your fathers, 7 of the elohim of the peoples who are around you, those near to you or those far from you, from one end of the land to the other end of the land). 8 neither shall you comply with him, nor shall you hearken to him; neither shall your eye commiserate over him, nor shall you spare him; and you shall not cover up for him. 9 For you shall kill, yea kill him. Your hand shall be among the first against him to put him to death, and the hand of all the people thereafter. 10 You will stone him with stones so that he dies, for he sought to induce you away from Yahweh your Elohim, the One bringing you forth from the country of Egypt, from the house of servants. 11 Thus all Israel shall hearken and fear, and they shall not again do anything like this evil thing among you. 12 In case you hear it said of one of your cities which Yahweh your Elohim is giving to you to dwell there, 13 that men, sons of decadence, have gone forth from among you and induced the dwellers of their city, saying:Let us go, and let us serve other elohim (whom you have not known), 14 then you will inquire, investigate and ask diligently. And behold, if the truth of the matter is being established that this abhorrence was done among you, 15 then you shall smite, yea smite the dwellers of that city with the edge of the sword. Doom it, all those who are in it and its domestic beasts, with the edge of the sword. 16 All its loot shall you get together to the middle of its square, and you will burn the city with fire and all its loot as a holocaust to Yahweh your Elohim. It will become an eonian barrow; it shall not be built again. 17 Nothing whatsoever shall cling to your hand from the doomed loot so that Yahweh may turn back from the heat of His anger and be compassionate to you. He will show you compassion and cause you to increase, just as He had sworn to your fathers, 18 provided that you shall hearken to the voice of Yahweh your Elohim to observe all His instructions which I am enjoining on you today, to do what is upright and good in the eyes of Yahweh your Elohim.

Zao is life · Apr 25, 2020

visionary said:
Who thundered the Laws from on high? Moses?? Whose finger was it that wrote it in stone? Moses?? Is Yeshua our Creator and Redeemer??

Creator..
Ex 2:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: 11 For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Redeemer...
Deut 5:12 Keep the sabbath day to sanctify it, as the Lord thy God hath commanded thee. 13 Six days thou shalt labour, and do all thy work: 14 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, nor thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thine ox, nor thine ass, nor any of thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates; that thy manservant and thy maidservant may rest as well as thou.

15 And remember that thou wast a servant in the land of Egypt, and that the Lord thy God brought thee out thence through a mighty hand and by a stretched out arm: therefore the Lord thy God commanded thee to keep the sabbath day. How can apostles and Yeshua add to that which is already there and they kept?

Whose blood was shed to establish the New Covenant which FOREVER replaced that covenant and the laws and commandments upon which it was based? The blood of Moses?

Leave the commandments in stone in the broken covenant where they belong.

Let God write His ONE commandment on your heart and put it in your mind through your faith in Christ - and when Jesus summed up God's ONE commandment, He said nothing about the sabbath.

Paul summed the commandment up also, and so did the apostle John.

Jesus told us how this comes about, that God would write His ONE commandment on your heart and put it in your mind - and it does not come about through your obedience to the sabbath law or ANY of those commandments given to Moses that you are talking about, which form the basis of the old covenant which was REPLACED FOREVER because they do nothing but show our sin up for what it is, show us up for what we are, and make us guilty before God - and bring us nothing but curses and death.

pasifika · Apr 25, 2020

HARK! said:
(CLV) 1Co 11:1
Become imitators of me, according as I also am of Christ.

Not by tradition (Jew) but by His conduct to show mercy, just and Faith. Every mankind must follow this core principles...
The OT was written about God who is Jesus Christ...Luke 24

HARK! · Apr 25, 2020

pasifika said:
Not by tradition (Jew) but by His conduct to show mercy, just and Faith. Every mankind must follow this core principles..

You left out obedience to the law.

(CLV) Ac 24:14
"Yet I am avowing this to you, that, according to the way which they are terming a sect, thus am I offering divine service to the hereditary God, believing all that is written, according to the law and in the prophets,

(CLV) Ro 7:25
I thank God, through Jesus Christ, our Lord. Consequently, then, I myself, with the mind, indeed, am slaving for God's law, yet with the flesh for Sin's law.

(CLV) Ro 3:31
Are we, then, nullifying law through faith? May it not be coming to that! Nay, we are sustaining law.

(CLV) Ac 25:8
Paul defending that "Neither against the law of the Jews, nor against the sanctuary, nor against Caesar did I any sin."

pasifika · Apr 25, 2020

HARK! said:
You left out obedience to the law.

(CLV) Ac 24:14
"Yet I am avowing this to you, that, according to the way which they are terming a sect, thus am I offering divine service to the hereditary God, believing all that is written, according to the law and in the prophets,

(CLV) Ro 7:25
I thank God, through Jesus Christ, our Lord. Consequently, then, I myself, with the mind, indeed, am slaving for God's law, yet with the flesh for Sin's law.

(CLV) Ro 3:31
Are we, then, nullifying law through faith? May it not be coming to that! Nay, we are sustaining law.

(CLV) Ac 25:8
Paul defending that "Neither against the law of the Jews, nor against the sanctuary, nor against Caesar did I any sin."

Faith is obedience... Romans 16, But Not to the law but Jesus Christ...He is the beginning and perfecter of Faith...

visionary · Apr 25, 2020

Fullness of the Gentiles said:
Whose blood was shed to establish the New Covenant which FOREVER replaced that covenant and the laws and commandments upon which it was based? The blood of Moses?

Leave the commandments in stone in the broken covenant where they belong.

Let God write His ONE commandment on your heart and put it in your mind through your faith in Christ - and when Jesus summed up God's ONE commandment, He said nothing about the sabbath.

Paul summed the commandment up also, and so did the apostle John.

Jesus told us how this comes about, that God would write His ONE commandment on your heart and put it in your mind - and it does not come about through your obedience to the sabbath law or ANY of those commandments given to Moses that you are talking about, which form the basis of the old covenant which was REPLACED FOREVER because they do nothing but show our sin up for what it is, show us up for what we are, and make us guilty before God - and bring us nothing but curses and death.

Sound familiar... Yep same Sabbath commandment found in the Decalogue.
Revelation 14:7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.

The Ten Commandments (Hebrew: עֲשֶׂרֶת הַדִּבְּרוֹת, Aseret ha'Dibrot), also known as the Decalogue, are a set of biblical principles relating to ethics and worship, which play a fundamental role. The Ten Commandments appear twice in the Hebrew Bible: in the books of Exodus and Deuteronomy. The commandments include instructions to have no other gods before him, to honour one's parents, and to keep the sabbath day holy, as well as prohibitions against idolatry, blasphemy, murder, adultery, theft, dishonesty, and coveting. Some things never change.

Zao is life · Apr 25, 2020

HARK! said:
Exodus 31
12 YHWH said to Moshe, 13 Tell the people of Isra’el, ‘You are to observe my Shabbats; for this is a sign between me and you through all your generations; so that you will know that I am YHWH, who sets you apart for me. 17 It is a sign between me and the people of Isra’el forever; for in six days ADONAI made heaven and earth, but on the seventh day he stopped working and rested.’

SHABBAT SHALOM!

Hope that whoever reads this thread and does not miss this because it's something which all Christians should not overlook and should never ever forget:

The law was a teacher to bring us to Christ - but Jesus summed up all the laws and commandments in ONE commandment and said that that ONE commandment fulfilled ALL, and HE fulfilled the Law and through His blood of the New covenant, replaced the old covenant + all the laws and commandments it was based on, and gave us that ONE commandment - and then told us to abide in Him so that GOD HIMSELF could write that ONE commandment on our hearts and put it in our minds.

That ONE commandment fulfills all the Law of Moses - and Christ our Savior has already fulfilled it on our behalf and makes it possible for us to fulfill it too, if we abide in Him and walk according to the Spirit.

pasifika · Apr 25, 2020

visionary said:
Sound familiar... Yep same Sabbath commandment found in the Decalogue.
Revelation 14:7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.

The Ten Commandments (Hebrew: עֲשֶׂרֶת הַדִּבְּרוֹת, Aseret ha'Dibrot), also known as the Decalogue, are a set of biblical principles relating to ethics and worship, which play a fundamental role. The Ten Commandments appear twice in the Hebrew Bible: in the books of Exodus and Deuteronomy. The commandments include instructions to have no other gods before him, to honour one's parents, and to keep the sabbath day holy, as well as prohibitions against idolatry, blasphemy, murder, adultery, theft, dishonesty, and coveting. Some things never change.

Jesus Christ is the God in the flesh who spoke to the children of Israel in Sinai through the angel....So christian worship a God who walk among men and dwell with them Not a God that is unapproachable and cannot be touched....

Der Alte · Apr 25, 2020

HARK! said:
Where does scripture say that the laws and commandments were replaced? Where does it say what they were replaced with? My bible says the law is forever.
Your witness doesn't pass the Deuteronomy 13 test, and should be stoned to death.

. Let's see who this passage is for.
Deuteronomy 13
CLV(i) 1 In case there arises a prophet or a dreamer of dreams among you, and he gives to you a sign or a miracle, 2 and the sign or the miracle comes about, of which he spoke to you, saying:Let us go after other elohim (whom you have not known), and let us serve them, 3 you shall not hearken to the words of that prophet or to that dreamer of dreams because Yahweh your Elohim is probing you to know whether you are loving Yahweh your Elohim with all your heart and with all your soul. 4 After Yahweh your Elohim shall you go, and Him shall you fear; His instructions shall you observe, and to His voice shall you hearken; Him shall you serve, and to Him shall you cling. 5 Then that prophet or that dreamer of dreams shall be put to death because he spoke of defection from Yahweh your Elohim (the One bringing you forth from the country of Egypt and the One ransoming you from the house of servants) so as to induce you from the way in which Yahweh your Elohim has instructed you to walk. Hence eradicate the evil from among you. 6 In case your brother, the son of your father, or the son of your mother or your son or your daughter or the wife of your bosom or your associate who is as your own soul should incite you in concealment, saying:Let us go, and let us serve other elohim (whom you have not known, you or your fathers, 7 of the elohim of the peoples who are around you, those near to you or those far from you, from one end of the land to the other end of the land). 8 neither shall you comply with him, nor shall you hearken to him; neither shall your eye commiserate over him, nor shall you spare him; and you shall not cover up for him. 9 For you shall kill, yea kill him. Your hand shall be among the first against him to put him to death, and the hand of all the people thereafter. 10 You will stone him with stones so that he dies, for he sought to induce you away from Yahweh your Elohim, the One bringing you forth from the country of Egypt, from the house of servants. 11 Thus all Israel shall hearken and fear, and they shall not again do anything like this evil thing among you. 12 In case you hear it said of one of your cities which Yahweh your Elohim is giving to you to dwell there, 13 that men, sons of decadence, have gone forth from among you and induced the dwellers of their city, saying:Let us go, and let us serve other elohim (whom you have not known), 14 then you will inquire, investigate and ask diligently. And behold, if the truth of the matter is being established that this abhorrence was done among you, 15 then you shall smite, yea smite the dwellers of that city with the edge of the sword. Doom it, all those who are in it and its domestic beasts, with the edge of the sword. 16 All its loot shall you get together to the middle of its square, and you will burn the city with fire and all its loot as a holocaust to Yahweh your Elohim. It will become an eonian barrow; it shall not be built again. 17 Nothing whatsoever shall cling to your hand from the doomed loot so that Yahweh may turn back from the heat of His anger and be compassionate to you. He will show you compassion and cause you to increase, just as He had sworn to your fathers, 18 provided that you shall hearken to the voice of Yahweh your Elohim to observe all His instructions which I am enjoining on you today, to do what is upright and good in the eyes of Yahweh your Elohim.

visionary · Apr 25, 2020

pasifika said:
Jesus Christ is the God in the flesh who spoke to the children of Israel in Sinai through the angle....So christian worship a God who walk among men and dwell with them Not a God that is unapproachable and cannot be touched....

At least you agree that it is the same person who both spoke on Mount Sinai and walked among men.

Blade · Apr 25, 2020

Not even what that verse says. A.. no generations in heaven. There is no more time in heaven. No day no night.. no Mondays, Fridays, Sun, Sat.

We know God was talking to Israel. What about the next part? "Anyone who desecrates it is to be put to death; those who do any work on that day must be cut off from their people."

Sorry forgive me the part in blue text. That name is no where in Hebrew history. Not to offend..forgive me

Der Alte · Apr 25, 2020

HARK! said:
I'm sorry. I thought that you knew who YHWH is and what he's done for his people. I thought that you understood that his covenant is with Israel. I thought that you knew that his son Yahshua was commissioned only for Israel. If someone has told you differently; that there is another way; then he is the deceiver; and he fails the Deuteronomy 13 test.
If you repeat his lies; then you become the deceiver.

I read the entire Bible not just scattered proof texts. What did Jesus do after He said He was only sent to the house of Israel? What did Jesus do when the gentile woman asked Him to heal her daughter. What did Jesus do when the gentile centurion came to Him?

Acts of the apostles 9:15
15 But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel:
Acts of the apostles 22:21 And he said unto me, Depart: for I will send thee far hence unto the Gentiles.
Acts of the apostles 26:17 Delivering thee from the people, and from the Gentiles, unto whom now I send thee,

HARK! · Apr 25, 2020

Der Alter said:
Unlike you I read the entire Bible not just scattered proof texts.

Maybe you should spend more time in the Torah. Them maybe you would have a better understanding of the whole Bible.

I'm rooting for you Brother!

Der Alte · Apr 25, 2020

HARK! said:
Maybe you should spend more time in the Torah. Them maybe you would have a better understanding of the whole Bible.
I'm rooting for you Brother!

בטח אל־יהוה בכל־לבך ואל־בינתך אל־תשׁען׃

disciple Clint · Apr 25, 2020

visionary said:
He was innocent, without guilt, never broke a law of God in His life. He never broke the Sabbath but explained it to those who had burden the law with traditional fences that took the heart and love out of the law.

Luke 13:15
The Lord then answered him, and said, Thou hypocrite, doth not each one of you on the sabbath loose his ox or his ass from the stall, and lead him away to watering?

Luke 14:5
And answered them, saying, Which of you shall have an ass or an ox fallen into a pit, and will not straightway pull him out on the sabbath day?

I agree absolutely He was innocent in the eyes of God. The "laws" that He intentionally broke were man made laws.

disciple Clint · Apr 25, 2020

Der Alter said:
Who are you a disciple of?
Jesus is our Sabbath. Jesus is the Lord of the Sabbath. How can the Lord of the Sabbath break the Sabbath? Jesus broke the faulty interpretation of the Sabbath of the Jewish leaders as He explained to them.

Exactly, read my posts and you will see that I am saying exactly what you are saying.

visionary · Apr 25, 2020

pasifika said:
Faith is obedience... Romans 16, But Not to the law but Jesus Christ...He is the beginning and perfecter of Faith...

Nonsense...Faith is a philosophy for the Greeks, but for the Hebrews it was in the action and more than just words. In order to have faith in Yeshua, you need to believe that He was the one in OT before the incarnate leading the Israelites, on Mount Sinai giving the law to Moses, the leading fire through the desert, the one who visited Abraham, and walked Daniel's friends in the midst of the fire.

pasifika · Apr 25, 2020

visionary said:
Nonsense...Faith is a philosophy for the Greeks, but for the Hebrews it was in the action and more than just words. In order to have faith in Yeshua, you need to believe that He was the one in OT before the incarnate leading the Israelites, on Mount Sinai giving the law to Moses, the leading fire through the desert, the one who visited Abraham, and walked Daniel's friends in the midst of the fire.

Abraham had faith...faith comes by hearing the Word..

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