Speaking in tongues

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Thanks guys.
One case I know of was the head pastor and actually the founder of the outreach I belong to ( now passed on) was called to speak over seas to a newly formed church by some of our missionaries at the time. Locals were invited, so various heads in government etc. When he got up to preach he spoke in that native language which he had never spoken in before in his life. So I know tongues is real. Then you have Kenneth Copeland tongues and personally I consider him to not be of God, it sounds like he's speaking some kind of demonized Gaelic to me but I can not trust that guy and thus what he speaks.. I don't trust what he speaks in plain English either though....

I had not considered 1 Corninthians 14:2 , thanks for that.
 
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Joh 4:24 God [is] a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship [him] in spirit and in truth.

new test command...eg :Joh 17:17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.

1Co 14:14 For if I pray in an [unknown] tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful.

Corinthians mentioned ,is how to operate "IN THE CHURCH" (the people not a building)
Jesus already told you to pray in private !

18 I thank my God, I speak with tongues more than ye all:
19 Yet in the church I had rather speak five words with my understanding, that [by my voice] I might teach others also, than ten thousand words in an [unknown] tongue.

he goes on to show how a church is correctly operated..no more than 3..tounges,then corresponding interpretation, no more than 3 prophecy ;ALL done decent and in order !! still done the same today !

1Co 14:2 For he that speaketh in an [unknown] tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth [him]; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.

this is the first identifier that a person has received the Holy Spirit...

Jesus said..
mark 16v17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

not those who do there own ways no matter how zealous after there own ideas (same happened to Israel ) !! package deal all of them.

Eg of how the church began and still does...Heb 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

Ac 2:4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance. (even Mary mother of Jesus )

Acts 10v45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.
46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,
47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?
48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.

Acts 19v5 When they heard [this], they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
6 And when Paul had laid [his] hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.

even a con-artist (magician etc) was willing to pay !!! he saw and heard !!!!

acts 8v14 ¶ Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John:
15 Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost:
16 (For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)
17 Then laid they [their] hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost.
18 And when Simon saw that through laying on of the apostles’ hands the Holy Ghost was given, he offered them money,

just sign a card !!?? give heart lungs etc to the Lord !!?? its do it Gods way or make up your own easter bunny religious idea !!

Repent (babys cant ) be baptised (full immersion) ask God for his spirit to receive...for the promise is unto you,your children...……….
 
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I see nothing of relevance here. Only inviting further confusion instead of trying to bring clarity.
I was just sharing background information for those who are interested, not to start a debate in what I am led to believe is not a debating forum.
 
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1 Corinthians 12:30 asks the question "Do all speak in tongues?" implying that this is not and should not be true. However, in Acts salvation was always followed by the newly saved being filled with the Holy Spirit and speaking in tongues (and the Bible contains the exhortation "Be filled with the Holy Spirit" in Ephesians 5:18). How do you reconcile these?
To answer that question, all we have to do is to compare the early church that turned the pagan Roman empire upside down and within 350 years changed the whole Roman empire from totally pagan to totally Christian - and today's church that has no, or minimal impact on our neo-pagan western societies.

What is the difference? The majority of early church believers prayed in tongues. That was their personal powerhouse that kept them filled and motivated by the Spirit and when they gathered together, they brought the powerful Holy Spirit atmosphere in with them, and the other gifts flowed to strengthen and encourage the church through some of the worst persecutions that any church since has had to encounter.

When the believers came together, charged up with the power of the Holy Spirit within them, they made good use of the prophetic word through their prophecies, and Paul's description of an unbeliever falling on his face declaring that Christ is among them in reality was a regular occurrence. The healing gifts flowed freely and people were healed through the prayers of the elders, as James describes. He would not have instructed a sick person to call for the elders and say definitely that the prayer of faith would raise the person up, if it was not the norm for it to happen.

But what do we have in our churches today? Nothing like that. We have passive congregations who yell like Comanche Indians at a football match on Saturday, and sit like wooden Indians in church on Sunday. We have interferers instead of intercessors, playing instead of praying, organisers in the supper room instead of agnonisers in the upper room, more effort in raising funds instead of saving souls, and prayer meetings attended by around six people in a church of 200 participating in eyebrow massage instead of real prayer. It is no wonder that prayers like that don't get beyond the ceiling! And yet these people often say, "We don't need the gifts today", and "Not everyone needs to pray in tongues", and "prophecy ceased at the end of the Apostolic Age".

So, when we read of the early church that had people like Paul who said, "I thank God I pray in tongues more than you all", and "Pursue love and desire spiritual gifts but rather that you may prophesy", and that when prophecy was active in the church it was a regular occurrence for unbelievers coming into the meetings fell on their faces and got converted to Christ; and that when a sick person called for the elders of the church for prayer, it being normal for that person to be instantly healed, we see why that church was immensely more powerful to be able to turn a whole pagan society upside down for Christ.

Those movements that value tongues, prophecy, and healing, are outgrowing the churches that don't. In my city, I see Methodist, Anglican, and Presbyterian church buildings that once had full congregations, now closed, either standing as empty, decaying monuments of what they once were, or turned into coffee houses, charity shops, and private homes. This is the sign of the gradual decay of those churches that neglect the spiritual gifts. We have Methodist and Presbyterian churches merging into union churches because there are not enough members to keep either church going, and the average age of the members is around 70 years of age. Once they die out, even those churches will disappear.
 
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Heb 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

Joh 4:24 God [is] a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship [him] in spirit and in truth.

(new testament command !!!)

1Co 14:14 For if I pray in an [unknown] tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful.

dont be confused with the operation IN THE CHURCH (which limits the gifts ) go in your private place to pray as Jesus instructed; used in the church to identify you are what you claim, christian !

18 I thank my God, I speak with tongues more than ye all:
19 Yet in the church...

so many claim to be christian and are NOT anointed by GOD..his way !
 
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