What does it mean to be born again?...

Yes. It’s when God gives you a new heart and puts a new Spirit within you causing you to walk in His statutes and obey Him.

Born again means to become a child of God.

This is speaking of a drastic change that takes place within a person. The word repent means to turn away from the old life to a new life. This is what this is saying here.

Jesus in this chapter is telling the Jewish leader that to acquire the Kingdom of God is much deeper than just believing in the miracles He did. He is telling us that this is drastic, like birth. The change has to be total. You must become a new creature.

“He cannot see the kingdom of God”: In context, this is primarily a reference to participation in the millennial kingdom at the end of the age, fervently anticipated by the Pharisees and other Jews. Since the Pharisee were supernaturalists, they naturally and eagerly expected the coming prophesied resurrection of the saints and institution of the messianic kingdom (Isa. 11:1-16, Dan. 12:2).

The spirit of a man is what he is. Our flesh or our spirit rules over us. We cannot serve two masters. Those who live in the flesh lust after the things of the flesh. The flesh is not in tune with God. When we are born of the flesh, we are consumed by the lusts for the things of the world.

When we are born of the Spirit, we crucify our flesh. We no longer live to please the flesh, our desire is to continually please God. When we are born of the Spirit, our fruit that we bear will be goodness, righteousness and truth.

To be born in the Spirit then would be to be born into the family of God. Just as you can see after a wind has gone through and rearranged leaves etc., the same thing is with the Spirit. It has a way of rearranging lives. After a windstorm, you see the results. After a new birth in the Spirit, you see the results, as well.

Ivan Hlavanda said:

Born again means to become a child of God.

This is speaking of a drastic change that takes place within a person. The word repent means to turn away from the old life to a new life. This is what this is saying here.

Jesus in this chapter is telling the Jewish leader that to acquire the Kingdom of God is much deeper than just believing in the miracles He did. He is telling us that this is drastic, like birth. The change has to be total. You must become a new creature.

“He cannot see the kingdom of God”: In context, this is primarily a reference to participation in the millennial kingdom at the end of the age, fervently anticipated by the Pharisees and other Jews. Since the Pharisee were supernaturalists, they naturally and eagerly expected the coming prophesied resurrection of the saints and institution of the messianic kingdom (Isa. 11:1-16, Dan. 12:2).

The spirit of a man is what he is. Our flesh or our spirit rules over us. We cannot serve two masters. Those who live in the flesh lust after the things of the flesh. The flesh is not in tune with God. When we are born of the flesh, we are consumed by the lusts for the things of the world.

When we are born of the Spirit, we crucify our flesh. We no longer live to please the flesh, our desire is to continually please God. When we are born of the Spirit, our fruit that we bear will be goodness, righteousness and truth.

To be born in the Spirit then would be to be born into the family of God. Just as you can see after a wind has gone through and rearranged leaves etc., the same thing is with the Spirit. It has a way of rearranging lives. After a windstorm, you see the results. After a new birth in the Spirit, you see the results, as well.

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to be born again is to obey god and repent when you fall to sin as we al sin and being baptised i recommend but theres Christians like me who cant be because my churches in my city wont do it i tried and asked so unbaptised Christians can be saved

thelord's_pearl said:

I learned that the Bible says you must be born again in order to see the kingdom of heaven, is that right?
What does it mean to be born again, to be baptised? And after you're dipped down in death to your sins and is risen then you live to 'put off your old self' and 'put on your new self' in obedience to God with God's help ie. you then receive the Holy Spirit (I heard)? And in obedience to God you will then see the 'kingdom of heaven' at "work" whereas as non-believers don't see it? So being born again means to be baptised and thereafter putting off your own sinful nature and putting on the new Godly nature? Thanks a lot

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This link will help you to understand.

Are you absolutely sure you are born again? - Christian Life Frankston

thelord's_pearl said:

I learned that the Bible says you must be born again in order to see the kingdom of heaven, is that right?
What does it mean to be born again, to be baptised? And after you're dipped down in death to your sins and is risen then you live to 'put off your old self' and 'put on your new self' in obedience to God with God's help ie. you then receive the Holy Spirit (I heard)? And in obedience to God you will then see the 'kingdom of heaven' at "work" whereas as non-believers don't see it? So being born again means to be baptised and thereafter putting off your own sinful nature and putting on the new Godly nature? Thanks a lot

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Being dipped/immersed in water without 1st being immersed/indwelt with Christ's spiritual baptizm, will only result in getting wet.

Beginning in Acts 10:44 spiritual baptism is 1st & water baptism follows. The repent & be water baptized narrative isn't applicable for today's Church/Body of Christ.

Repentance: Strong's Hebrews ( H7725:שׁוּב ) to turn back, return, a wholehearted turning to God.
(NOTE: The different way repent translates in Hebrew vs Greek. John wasn't speaking Greek, nor was he preaching to gentiles. Gentiles had no relationship, no covenant, no hope & were without God Eph 2:12)

OT Jewish repentance rituals: rending of garments, wearing sackcloth, sitting in ashes, putting ashes on top of his head, fasting, weeping, wailing. Every Jew at John's baptism was familiar with repentance/turning back to God rituals. (See Joel 2:12-13).

Emblem = A symbolic representation of a particular quality, concept, action:

Water baptism is an emblem: An outwardly visible expression of our indwelling Spiritual Baptism. (1 Cor 3:16, 6:19, 2 Cor 6:16, 2 Tim 1:14, Gal 4:6, Rom 8:9,11,15).

Only Christ has the power & authority to baptize with God's indwelling Holy Spirit.

Matt 3:11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:
(NOTE: John the Baptist made clear that Christ would baptize with the Holy Spirit)

1 Cor 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
(NOTE: Translators capitalized Spirit to identify when referring the Holy Spirit. Only Christ can baptize with the indwelling Holy Spirit.)

Col 2:11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision """made without hands""", in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:
(NOTE: The baptism of the Holy Spirit is a SPIRITUAL circumcision/covenant done without hands & without water)

Deut 30:6 (A) the Lord thy God will circumcise thine heart,

Rom 2:29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
(NOTE: Circumcision of the heart, in the spirit)

New Covenant Spiritual Seal: Christ's baptism with the indwelling Holy Spirit

Eph 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise.
NOTE: Christ SEALS believers with Gods promise of the indwelling Holy Spirit)

Rom 8:11 If the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
(NOTE: God's Spirit dwells in every believer)

Rom 5:5 And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Spirit which is given unto us.
(NOTE: God places/seals his love in our hearts via His Holy Spirit given unto us)

1 Cor 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, "and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you"?
(NOTE: The Promised Gift of God's Holy Spirit dwells in every believer)

Col 1:27 To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is "Christ in you", the hope of glory:
(NOTE: Christ/God's Spirit is in you)

Eph 3:6 This mystery is that thru the gospel the Gentiles are heirs together with Israel, members together of 1 body, & sharers together in the promise "in Christ"
(NOTE: Gentiles share in the PROMISED Holy Spirit)

Ehp 4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
(NOTE: Believers are SEALED Gods Holy Spirit until the day their Adamic corruptible bodies are redeemed & transformed into, eternal, incorruptible Heavenly bodies)

John 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
(NOTE: The Comforter <(Capitalized showing deity) > Holy Spirit will abide with you FOREVER)

There were many ordination/admittance requirements under Mosaic law. Daily sacrifices, adhere with absolute fidelity to every commandment the Lord gave to the Nation of Israel Deut 28, or be cursed Vs 15-65.

Only ONE admittance requirement under the NT is BELIEVE, Jesus is Lord, paid sin required wage & rose on the 3rd day.

After salvation/Christ's baptism gift of His indwelling Holy Spirit (Matt 3:11, Acts 1:5)

There are two Commandments & two ordinance the Lord invoked.

Love God 1st & love your brother believer. Partake in water baptism & the Lords Supper.

Vine's Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words: Verb, G4972, sphragizo - "to seal" - is used to indicate

(d) ownership and security, together with destination, Revelation 7:3-Revelation 7:5 (as with the noun in Revelation 7:2; See A); the same three indications are conveyed in Ephesians 1:13, in the metaphor of the "sealing" of believers by the gift of the Holy Spirit, upon believing (i.e., at the time of their regeneration, not after a lapse of time in their spiritual life, "having also believed," not as the aorist participle marks the definiteness and completeness of the act of faith); the idea of destination is stressed by the phrase "the Holy Spirit of promise" (See also Ephesians 1:14); so Ephesians 4:30, "ye were sealed unto the day of redemption;" so in 2 Corinthians 1:22, where the Middle Voice intimates the special interest of the Sealer in His act;

BrotherJJ said:

Being dipped/immersed in water without 1st being immersed/indwelt with Christ's spiritual baptizm, will only result in getting wet.

Beginning in Acts 10:44 spiritual baptism is 1st & water baptism follows. The repent & be water baptized narrative isn't applicable for today's Church/Body of Christ.

Repentance: Strong's Hebrews ( H7725:שׁוּב ) to turn back, return, a wholehearted turning to God.
(NOTE: The different way repent translates in Hebrew vs Greek. John wasn't speaking Greek, nor was he preaching to gentiles. Gentiles had no relationship, no covenant, no hope & were without God Eph 2:12)

OT Jewish repentance rituals: rending of garments, wearing sackcloth, sitting in ashes, putting ashes on top of his head, fasting, weeping, wailing. Every Jew at John's baptism was familiar with repentance/turning back to God rituals. (See Joel 2:12-13).

Emblem = A symbolic representation of a particular quality, concept, action:

Water baptism is an emblem: An outwardly visible expression of our indwelling Spiritual Baptism. (1 Cor 3:16, 6:19, 2 Cor 6:16, 2 Tim 1:14, Gal 4:6, Rom 8:9,11,15).

Only Christ has the power & authority to baptize with God's indwelling Holy Spirit.

Matt 3:11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:
(NOTE: John the Baptist made clear that Christ would baptize with the Holy Spirit)

1 Cor 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
(NOTE: Translators capitalized Spirit to identify when referring the Holy Spirit. Only Christ can baptize with the indwelling Holy Spirit.)

Col 2:11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision """made without hands""", in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:
(NOTE: The baptism of the Holy Spirit is a SPIRITUAL circumcision/covenant done without hands & without water)

Deut 30:6 (A) the Lord thy God will circumcise thine heart,

Rom 2:29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
(NOTE: Circumcision of the heart, in the spirit)

New Covenant Spiritual Seal: Christ's baptism with the indwelling Holy Spirit

Eph 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise.
NOTE: Christ SEALS believers with Gods promise of the indwelling Holy Spirit)

Rom 8:11 If the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
(NOTE: God's Spirit dwells in every believer)

Rom 5:5 And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Spirit which is given unto us.
(NOTE: God places/seals his love in our hearts via His Holy Spirit given unto us)
1 Cor 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, "and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you"?
(NOTE: The Promised Gift of God's Holy Spirit dwells in every believer)

Col 1:27 To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is "Christ in you", the hope of glory:
(NOTE: Christ/God's Spirit is in you)

Eph 3:6 This mystery is that thru the gospel the Gentiles are heirs together with Israel, members together of 1 body, & sharers together in the promise "in Christ"
(NOTE: Gentiles share in the PROMISED Holy Spirit)

Ehp 4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
(NOTE: Believers are SEALED Gods Holy Spirit until the day their Adamic corruptible bodies are redeemed & transformed into, eternal, incorruptible Heavenly bodies)

John 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
(NOTE: The Comforter <(Capitalized showing deity) > Holy Spirit will abide with you FOREVER)

There were many ordination/admittance requirements under Mosaic law. Daily sacrifices, adhere with absolute fidelity to every commandment the Lord gave to the Nation of Israel Deut 28, or be cursed Vs 15-65.

Only ONE admittance requirement under the NT is BELIEVE, Jesus is Lord, paid sin required wage & rose on the 3rd day.

After salvation/Christ's baptism gift of His indwelling Holy Spirit (Matt 3:11, Acts 1:5)

There are two Commandments & two ordinance the Lord invoked.

Love God 1st & love your brother believer. Partake in water baptism & the Lords Supper.

Vine's Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words: Verb, G4972, sphragizo - "to seal" - is used to indicate

(d) ownership and security, together with destination, Revelation 7:3-Revelation 7:5 (as with the noun in Revelation 7:2; See A); the same three indications are conveyed in Ephesians 1:13, in the metaphor of the "sealing" of believers by the gift of the Holy Spirit, upon believing (i.e., at the time of their regeneration, not after a lapse of time in their spiritual life, "having also believed," not as the aorist participle marks the definiteness and completeness of the act of faith); the idea of destination is stressed by the phrase "the Holy Spirit of promise" (See also Ephesians 1:14); so Ephesians 4:30, "ye were sealed unto the day of redemption;" so in 2 Corinthians 1:22, where the Middle Voice intimates the special interest of the Sealer in His act;

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yh thats how i know im saved even tho im not baptised

jasonMalloy1999 said:

yh thats how i know im saved even tho im not baptised

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Hi,
John 12:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground & die, "it abideth alone":
"but if it die", "it bringeth forth much fruit"

Although you're already saved by Grace thru faith in Christ's sin payment & resurrection. Been baptized with Christ's indwelling Holy Spirit & have a secure place in Gods Heavenly Kingdom. I believe we can't produce an abundance of Good Fruits until we've partaken in water baptism & the Lords Supper.

You can't baptize yourself, all things by a witness of 2 or 3 (Deut 19:15 & 2 Cor 13:1).

This is to be made as a public outwardly statement. Jesus didn't suffer in hiding, His death, burial & resurrection were ALL public spectacle.

Like a corn of wheat or an apple seed. The seed is planted, it must first die (we to self), then with the soil, water & sunlight (4 us faith, word & spirit). It begins to rise. At first it has no fruit. With proper care, it grows into a field or a tree which bears much good fruit.

Your acceptance & belief in Christ's death, burial & resurrection is life's most important decision. Having said that, I believe you're missing out on many promises/blessings & would encourage you to partake in both ordinance mentioned in post #6 & here again.

KJV Dictionary Definition: OR'DINANCE, n.
A rule established by authority; a permanent rule of action. An ordinance may be a law or statute of sovereign power. In this sense it is often used in the Scriptures. Ex. 15. Num. 10. Ezra 3. It may also signify a decree, edict or rescript, and the word has sometimes been applied to the statutes of Parliament, but these are usually called acts or laws. In the United States, it is never applied to the acts of Congress, or of a state legislature.

Observance commanded.

Established rite or ceremony. Heb. 9. In this sense, baptism and the Lord's supper are denominated ordinances.

There are two Commandments & two ordinance the Lord Himself invoked.

1) Love God 1st & love your brother believer.

2) Partake in water baptism & the lords supper. Shalom BrotherJJ

thelord's_pearl said:

I learned that the Bible says you must be born again in order to see the kingdom of heaven, is that right?
What does it mean to be born again, to be baptised? And after you're dipped down in death to your sins and is risen then you live to 'put off your old self' and 'put on your new self' in obedience to God with God's help ie. you then receive the Holy Spirit (I heard)? And in obedience to God you will then see the 'kingdom of heaven' at "work" whereas as non-believers don't see it? So being born again means to be baptised and thereafter putting off your own sinful nature and putting on the new Godly nature? Thanks a lot

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The new birth, as you've rightly recognized, is identified in Scripture with the Sacrament of Baptism. God has freely by His grace adopted us as children, by uniting us to His only-begotten Son, Jesus Christ our Lord, we have received gift upon gift, grace without measure. God has, by the death and resurrection of His Son, forgiven us all our sins, freely justified us--made and reckoned us as righteous--by covering us with Christ's own righteousness, adopted us as children and heirs, given us the Holy Spirit, reconciled us, established peace between us and God, and given us the hope and promise of life everlasting in the Age to Come, when Christ returns and we are raised up from the dead.

The new obedience that comes by our new birth, by the birth of the new man in Christ Jesus and alive by the Spirit of God, is not an obedience by which we merit righteousness or salvation from God. Rather, it is the redeemed life lived out in humility and with love toward the world.

To be born again means to be born of God, and to as a child of God be the recipient of all God's gifts. It is God's work, and His promise to you that you are forgiven, you belong to Him, and that He is with you always even until the end of time. That where Jesus is, you will be also. For you have passed from death to life, from darkness to light. You belong to God, He is your Father, and your identity is found in Jesus Christ, by the power of the Holy Spirit. This is what you received, not by your own ability, merit, strength, will, power, or works; but rather by the super-abundance of God's kindness, His grace and mercy to you, which is the power and significance of Baptism. That the baptized has been crucified, dead, and buried with Christ, and therefore, has been raised up to new life with Christ; so that the life you have now is not your own, it is the life of Christ which given to you as a pure gift. And in light of this gift, offer unto God a heart that is contrite and full of praise, giving thanks in all things; serving and loving your neighbor and partaking and participating in the kingdom of God.

God's kingdom, the "kingdom of heaven", is not a place, or a state of mind; it is the reality of God as King. That is what Jesus preached. That God is King, and God's way of being King is completely upside down and totally unlike how men are kings.

God's Kingdom is the Creator of all things born of a virgin from Nazareth, raised in a carpenter's shop, eating and drinking with tax collectors, prostitutes, and lepers. Bringing light and life into the dark and neglected places. Being found with the outcast, being found with the rejected and the unloved. Calling all to come and share a feast together, from the utmost to the leastmost; and that at this great feast the last is first, the least is greatest, and it is the slave who is chiefest in this kingdom. He bears His royal power and authority, not by calling forth sword-bearing angels upon His enemies; but rather is judged by sinners, sentenced to death, crucified between brigands, spit upon, cursed, shamed, made to bleed and suffer, and whose only word to His mockers and murderers is to say, "Forgive them".

That's the kingdom of heaven. The Shepherd is the Lamb.


-CryptoLutheran

thelord's_pearl said:

I learned that the Bible says you must be born again in order to see the kingdom of heaven, is that right?
What does it mean to be born again, to be baptised? And after you're dipped down in death to your sins and is risen then you live to 'put off your old self' and 'put on your new self' in obedience to God with God's help ie. you then receive the Holy Spirit (I heard)? And in obedience to God you will then see the 'kingdom of heaven' at "work" whereas as non-believers don't see it? So being born again means to be baptised and thereafter putting off your own sinful nature and putting on the new Godly nature? Thanks a lot

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I believe Ephesians chapter 2 explains it well. From our deserved damned destitute state to the Love of God making us alive through Jesus Christ and walking with Him.

Ephesians 2: NASB

BrotherJJ said:

Hi,
John 12:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground & die, "it abideth alone":
"but if it die", "it bringeth forth much fruit"

Although you're already saved by Grace thru faith in Christ's sin payment & resurrection. Been baptized with Christ's indwelling Holy Spirit & have a secure place in Gods Heavenly Kingdom. I believe we can't produce an abundance of Good Fruits until we've partaken in water baptism & the Lords Supper.

You can't baptize yourself, all things by a witness of 2 or 3 (Deut 19:15 & 2 Cor 13:1).

This is to be made as a public outwardly statement. Jesus didn't suffer in hiding, His death, burial & resurrection were ALL public spectacle.

Like a corn of wheat or an apple seed. The seed is planted, it must first die (we to self), then with the soil, water & sunlight (4 us faith, word & spirit). It begins to rise. At first it has no fruit. With proper care, it grows into a field or a tree which bears much good fruit.

Your acceptance & belief in Christ's death, burial & resurrection is life's most important decision. Having said that, I believe you're missing out on many promises/blessings & would encourage you to partake in both ordinance mentioned in post #6 & here again.

KJV Dictionary Definition: OR'DINANCE, n.
A rule established by authority; a permanent rule of action. An ordinance may be a law or statute of sovereign power. In this sense it is often used in the Scriptures. Ex. 15. Num. 10. Ezra 3. It may also signify a decree, edict or rescript, and the word has sometimes been applied to the statutes of Parliament, but these are usually called acts or laws. In the United States, it is never applied to the acts of Congress, or of a state legislature.

Observance commanded.

Established rite or ceremony. Heb. 9. In this sense, baptism and the Lord's supper are denominated ordinances.

There are two Commandments & two ordinance the Lord Himself invoked.

1) Love God 1st & love your brother believer.

2) Partake in water baptism & the lords supper. Shalom BrotherJJ

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im unable to be baptised im afraid so am i doomed

thelord's_pearl said:

I learned that the Bible says you must be born again in order to see the kingdom of heaven, is that right?
What does it mean to be born again, ...

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I have understood it means that there happens change in persons heart so that he becomes righteous, gets the right understanding that leads to right works also.

Born of God means that one is righteous:

He who does righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has been sinning from the beginning. To this end the Son of God was revealed, that he might destroy the works of the devil. Whoever is born of God doesn't commit sin, because his seed remains in him; and he can't sin, because he is born of God. In this the children of God are revealed, and the children of the devil. Whoever doesn't do righteousness is not of God, neither is he who doesn't love his brother.
1 John 3:7-10

And it can happen by the words Jesus told:

It is the spirit who gives life. The flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and are life.
John 6:63

…That which is born of the flesh is flesh. That which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Don't marvel that I said to you, 'You must be born anew.'
John 3:3-7

And that is the new covenant God promised a long time ago.

For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel. After those days," says the Lord; "I will put my laws into their mind, I will also write them on their heart. I will be to them a God, And they will be to me a people. They will not teach every man his fellow citizen, Every man his brother, saying, 'Know the Lord,' For all will know me, From the least of them to the greatest of them. For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness. I will remember their sins and lawless deeds no more."
Hebrews 8:10-12 (Jeremiah 31:31-34)

Yahweh your God will circumcise your heart, and the heart of your seed, to love Yahweh your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, that you may live. Yahweh your God will put all these curses on your enemies, and on those who hate you, who persecuted you. You shall return and obey the voice of Yahweh, and do all his commandments which I command you this day. Yahweh your God will make you plenteous in all the work of your hand, in the fruit of your body, and in the fruit of your cattle, and in the fruit of your ground, for good: for Yahweh will again rejoice over you for good, as he rejoiced over your fathers;
Deuteronomy 30:6-9