Are those who deny eternal punishment doomed to Hell?

Contenders Edge said:

No one is attempting to replace mercy with justice in the cited passage but that does not change the fact that God is both a God of both mercy and justice, but what is of concern is that you seem to deny that God is a God of justice.

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FineLinen said:

You poor young laddy: The purpose of any calibre father is to enhance the life of his child, not punishment as an end in itself.

Can you spell transformation?

The Father of all fathers exceeds any calibre father a bunch!

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Saint Steven said:

There are countless billions --- BILLIONS --- that never had that opportunity.

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Saint Steven said:

Mercy is not the OPPOSITE of justice. Mercy is the opposite of punishment. Mercy is still an option of justice.

There seems to be some confusion between the words justice and verdict. Justice decides the verdict. Mercy is ALWAYS an option.

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Contenders Edge said:

That is not true. More people have been given opportunity than have not.

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Saint Steven said:

That is not accurate.
Jesus was quoting Psalm 22, which is a messianic Psalm.
God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ.

2 Corinthians 5:18-20
All this is from God, who reconciled us to himself through Christ and gave us the ministry of reconciliation: 19 that God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting people’s sins against them. And he has committed to us the message of reconciliation. 20 We are therefore Christ’s ambassadors, as though God were making his appeal through us. We implore you on Christ’s behalf: Be reconciled to God.

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Saint Steven said:

How did you arrive at that conclusion?

How many people are living in China right now? What percentage have ever heard the name Jesus Christ?

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Contenders Edge said:

Justice is also the decider of what the appropriate penalty is according to the crime committed, but justice nevertheless demands a penalty for sin and that penalty Christ paid on our behalf so that we would not have to as long as we place our trust in Him for our salvation and in nothing or anyone else.

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Contenders Edge said:

But that required Christ to not only die physically, but to be separated from the Father as He was dying. Do you really think God had pleasure in having to turn His face away from His Son upon whom all of our sins had been placed?

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Contenders Edge said:

More than you think; in fact a large number of Chinese have expressed interest in the Christian faith.

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Saint Steven said:

That's great, but you have yet to prove that countless billions have not gone to the afterlife with no knowledge of Christ.
The current population of China is 1,438,207,241 as of Saturday, April 18, 2020.
That's 1 billion, 438 million, 207 thousand, 241.

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Der Alter said:

Can you prove "that countless billions have gone to the afterlife with no knowledge of Christ?"
It is surprising the things one can see if they read the Bible, through, instead of just concentrating on pre-canned lists of out-of-context proof texts.

Romans 4:15
15 The law brings God's anger. Where there is no law, the law can't be broken.
Romans 5:13
13 Before the law was given, sin was in the world. But sin is not judged when there is no law.​

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Saint Steven said:

For whom did Christ pay the penalty?

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Saint Steven said:

That's great, but you have yet to prove that countless billions have not gone to the afterlife with no knowledge of Christ.

The current population of China is 1,438,207,241 as of Saturday, April 18, 2020.
That's 1 billion, 438 million, 207 thousand, 241.

With a world population of 7 billion and the number of Christians worldwide at 2.5 billion, the vast majority of the world population is not Christian. And that term "Christian" is probably anyone who claims to be Christian, be it religiously or politically. (non-Muslim)

So, 7 billion minus 2.5 billion gives us 4.5 billion. If a generation is 40 years, how many billions would there be back to the first century? (50.5 x 4.5 = 227 billion) Countless billions seems like a pretty safe statement. Who can say?

So, over 200 billion "lost souls" in a forever burning hell with no hope of escape. Most of whom had never heard the name of Jesus.

Is this the plan of the God of love? NOT POSSIBLE !!!!!!!!!!!

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Saint Steven said:

That's great, but you have yet to prove that countless billions have not gone to the afterlife with no knowledge of Christ.

The current population of China is 1,438,207,241 as of Saturday, April 18, 2020.
That's 1 billion, 438 million, 207 thousand, 241.

With a world population of 7 billion and the number of Christians worldwide at 2.5 billion, the vast majority of the world population is not Christian. And that term "Christian" is probably anyone who claims to be Christian, be it religiously or politically. (non-Muslim)

So, 7 billion minus 2.5 billion gives us 4.5 billion. If a generation is 40 years, how many billions would there be back to the first century? (50.5 x 4.5 = 227 billion) Countless billions seems like a pretty safe statement. Who can say?

So, over 200 billion "lost souls" in a forever burning hell with no hope of escape. Most of whom had never heard the name of Jesus.

Is this the plan of the God of love? NOT POSSIBLE !!!!!!!!!!!

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Shrewd Manager said:

Just go to the Hell Population Clock thread der Alter, where you can read the latest stats on 'the number of sinners who've checked into the fiery sector of Hades'. My but don't he has a way with words though.
POPULATION CLOCK UPDATE: 1,032 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post #1 are within reason, then something like 62,673,360 new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since June 19, 2017.
Hell's Population Clock
Ah I see you were just there recently. That's 63 million new arrivals in less than 3 years. How's your maths? Dare to extrapolate that back to 33 AD?

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Der Alter said:

That is not proof of anything it is somebody's guesstimate what the population might be. Someone else might say there is nobody in hell at this time, only after the judgement.

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Contenders Edge said:

Der Alter gave a good answer to this in post 1153:


"Can you prove "that countless billions have gone to the afterlife with no knowledge of Christ?"
It is surprising the things one can see if they read the Bible, through, instead of just concentrating on pre-canned lists of out-of-context proof texts.
Romans 4:15
15 The law brings God's anger. Where there is no law, the law can't be broken.
Romans 5:13
13 Before the law was given, sin was in the world. But sin is not judged when there is no law."

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Saint Steven said:

A sock puppet is an invertebrate until it is possessed. - lol

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