Mark 13:32 > why didn't Jesus know, while He was on earth?

Mark 13:32 >

"'But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.'" (Mark 13:32)

Why? Share however God has blessed you, about this, please.

When I read this, once, I wondered how Jesus could be God the Son, but not know something. After all, we understand that God is all-knowing. But I am sure Jesus is God the Son. So, theologically, what would this show about God?

And another item > why would our Father not have His own Son know when He our Groom would return for us His Bride Church? I can see He could have more than one reason > multi-tasking, by not having Jesus know.

What do I think?

It is good. Because God is good It can help us to put our faith in Him, and not only in how we might have had ideas about God. I am sure God knew this would be a surprise, when ones of us first read what seems to mean Jesus did not know when He will come back for us His Church Bride.

Well, the next verse quotes Jesus to say >

"'Take heed, watch and pray; for you do not know when the time is.'" (Matthew 13:33)

So, not knowing is a reason, I see from this, for us to take heed and watch and pray. So, He's guiding our attention to praying; and so I consider that Jesus might not be guiding our attention to trying to figure out when things will happen.

Possibly, then, we don't need to know. We need to love. He wants us with Him, not just with knowledge.

Jesus and our Father fully had love together, then . . . even though Jesus did not know things our Father knew at that time. But humans can demand that if we love them, we will trust them with information they want to know. But I see how our Father and Jesus did not depend on knowing things together, in order to love and trust each other.

So, there could be a love lesson intended here

I can be so about trying to get people to know I know a lot. Well, that has nothing to do with love, though, does it? But I can try to win approval and ratings for the show of what I know. And I think I have measured my acceptance with people, by how much they confide in me. But ones can be telling me things so they can use me > there can be an unspoken expectation > "I am confiding in you; so you are my best friend; and therefore you have to do what I want and meet the expectations which I demand"; so when I do not go along with how they want to use me . . . then is when I can discover what happens, how much they really trust me lolololol

But Jesus fully trusted and obeyed our Father while He was on this earth; He had no question about if our Father loved Him, though our Father did not have His own Son know everything . . . even about when He our Groom would come back for us His Bride Church!

gospels said:

Literal Verse:
Concerning, however, the day, that one, and the season, no one has seen it, neither the messengers in the skies, nor the Son. Except the Father.

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Ok, Gospels . . . . . . let me look in my interlinear Greek book >

Well, my Strong's Concordance Greek dictionary does say it means "to see".

So, this could mean our Father already has seen the end things. And I would say this can be like to knowing . . . by seeing.

But seeing can be different than being told something. And it seems Jesus was saying He did not know, then, since He had not seen things of the end times. He had not seen, He had not been told. Do you wish to share what you get from this?

Der Alter said:

If Jesus was only a mere human being, how does a human being, “humble himself and become obedient unto death?” All mankind is appointed to death, no obedience or humbling involved! Heb 9:27.

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Thank you

Indeed, humans are appointed to die. But Jesus said no one took His life from Him, but He of His own accord laid down His life.

"'Therefore My father loves me, because I lay down My life that I may take it again. No one takes it from Me, but I lay it down of Myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This command I have received from My Father.'" (John 10:17-18)

Since when has a human been able to lay down one's life and take it up again? So, I see how this scripture can be a confirmation of the divinity of Jesus . . . even while He was in a human body.

Now I think of this > Jesus was going to lay down His life. And after He rose, He was going to be glorified. Possibly . . . before He was glorified, it was not time for Him to see things which shall come to pass after He was glorified. If this is correct reasoning, now could be when He does see and know the future things which He did not know before He was glorified.

I just thought of this. I would say there are theologians who have already gotten this idea or are arguing against it.

But if it is true . . . there could be a lesson, about loving, in this. There can be things we are not ready to know and handle, until we have grown more in God's love. Of course, Jesus was all He could be, as God the Son, on this earth; yet, it appears to me how even Jesus could have things He was not ready to know and do . . . while in His human body.

In any case, yes we can grow in love - - I would say, based on Philippians 1:9 > by growing in God's love, we can abound much more in "knowledge and all discernment" >

"And this I pray, that your love may abound still more and more in knowledge and all discernment." (Philippians 1:9)

gospels said:

I find this video is worth watching regarding the verse in discussion.

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I listened to him once.

He seems to be saying we need to study end-time things, plus leaders need to feed the sheep about this.

But he seems to make a distinction, that knowing about the end does not have to mean knowing the exact moment when Jesus will return.

Norbert L said:

On a relevant note,

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Thank you for sharing what you have, about this, Norbert Why think inside the box, right? I think I get what you are offering, and thanks for taking the time

In case I can be clear and relevant to what you are saying >

I suppose the sense of "will" in that case meant what they in themselves had the readiness to do . . . maybe like to how a man can lust for a woman and already . . . not only "will" he commit adultery, but already he has. Possibly, God knew how their hearts were in the "will" stage, though He knew it would not happen in action with David. The LORD told Abimelech that he was a "dead man", though he had not taken Sarah; maybe this fits with what you are talking about. And I see how Jesus was busy with knowing how to get His men discipled so they could be connected for the future good, sanctified in His love >

"that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love." (in Ephesians 1:3-6)

So Jesus was not at that time about only knowing the future, I can see.

And how things process in love is very different than how things can work in our egos, right? The way we know things, the way we see things > even the same things which unloving people see > how they see and take things is completely different than how we experience things while we are in the light of how love has us seeing things. I think maybe we all have had some experience with how we have seen some same thing while we were being nasty and selfish, but then how we became about even the same problem while sharing with someone we dearly love.

What was going on in that relating and communicating of our Father and Jesus was in love which we humans can still discover more and more >

"to know the love of Christ which passes knowledge; that you may be filled with all the fullness of God." (Ephesians 3:19)

So . . . for another way of seeing this, possibly > Jesus knew our Father, meaning They were one so He knew our Father by being how our Father is. And this, in such a union, had Jesus in union with all which our Father will manage to come to pass, and His love benefit of everything. Jesus might not have been actively conscious of certain future details, if I am correct; yet, He was with our Father who will have all the good come to pass.

And by "faith working through love" (Galatians 5:6) we are connected, more and more maturely, with God and therefore all He will do . . . or maybe I should say we are connected so we will get the best of benefit which we can have with Him, whether we know or are involved and included in the actual activity of every detail of what He will do in the future. We can have a front seat or a back seat, but share in His love, either way.

Maybe, loosely, it is like how I have sharing with my lady friend in a way so I know what she is going to do, even if I don't know the details. I know she will act with compassion and generosity; so I know what she will be doing; someone will be getting loved, kindly and tenderly and sensitively; she will be delighting in God's word. And now I can enjoy and benefit from how she is loving people where she is, during this time of safety separation from her. Maybe like this, Jesus knew His Father in the present, He was with the One who is the main benefit of whatever will happen!!!; and so He was in connection with all things the Father will do, knowing each detail or not, by being one with our Heavenly Father.

So, I guess this can feed into what Jesus means by being "ready" (in Matthew 24:44) > be with Jesus now so we will be with Him in the Rapture and then all eternity; know Him by loving like He does, in sharing with Him, so we will be sharing in loving, like this, for all eternity; share as family now so we are "ready" for how we will be sharing as His family and bride church in the Rapture and after.

We don't know the details, but we are preparing and growing

in the benefit

Hi Sunshinee777 - you said:

So if we would know, what you think would happen? Im thinking chaos

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Welcome to Christian Forums

If the Bible plainly gave a date, like say January 15, 2023, why do you think this would cause chaos?

Dkh587 said:

the Son is subject to the Father, and only speaks and knows what the Father tells him.

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Thank you I didn't think of this, and this does confirm how Jesus is subject to our Father. It shows They are one, and not two different pagan personalities each doing one's own thing.

Sunshinee777 said:

im not going to reveal it here because it really doesn´t matter

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Thank you, Sunshinee777