this likely second deadlier wave

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Yes, it’ll be your choice whether to risk your life or risk living on the streets (and this risking your life). Nice choice you’re giving people.

Well, the good news is that you can't legally be evicted without a court order... and a lot of the civil courts are shut down, so... good luck, landlords.
 
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I have two choices I can refuse ( right to work state you know) or I can take the chance either way that is still my CHOICE if I feel that going out will be too risky.
Just curious - have you chosen to apply for some of the many jobs that essential businesses are ramping up? Want to see how this works in practice.
 
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Well, the good news is that you can't legally be evicted without a court order... and a lot of the civil courts are shut down, so... good luck, landlords.
but they can evict you when this is up if either you were already behind and this basically saved your behind OR if we stay like this for much longer and due to lack of income you cannot pay your ongoing rent and/or the rent payments that would have been due ( They are still allowed to collect that after this is over.
 
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speaking of protests, are they still going on, not noticed any news about new ones, other then one couldn't get permit.
Yes, in some areas they are still going on and people know there is not much they can do if they fine them they have the right to show up to court and contest it ( lots of people in the courthouse if they arrest them and take them to jail well so much for social distencing in jails, so the law is in those cases of non-violent protests really not left with many options that make sense and do not defeat the point of social distencing.
 
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Once there is a vaccine or the hospitals can cope the lockdown can be eased. Before that we are simply inviting more people to die.
But a vaccine ( if one is developed can take months) People are already protesting people are NOT going to stay locked-down for that long.
 
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We don't need that. We can do this with mitigation.
Which are what the lockdowns are...the thing we seem to be debating is “how much?” and “how long?”.

Forget about the money...it’s not for-real anyways, it just how the world keeps track of “who does/makes what”.
 
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but they can evict you when this is up if either you were already behind and this basically saved your behind OR if we stay like this for much longer and due to lack of income you cannot pay your ongoing rent and/or the rent payments that would have been due ( They are still allowed to collect that after this is over.

Who are these landlords going to rent to if not people who were evicted by other landlords.
It’ll be in the landlords’ best interest to take the loss, passing it along to the government federal government, (as business loss), and simply allow their original tenants to stay.
 
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Which are what the lockdowns are...the thing we seem to be debating is “how much?” and “how long?”.

Forget about the money...it’s not for-real anyways, it just how the world keeps track of “who does/makes what”.
but I wonder if that poster meant other forms of mitigation it does not have to be lock-downs or nothing.
 
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But a vaccine ( if one is developed can take months) People are already protesting people are NOT going to stay locked-down for that long.
An the death toll will rise because of their ignorance. But you know American's and their intolerance for any hardships.
 
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An the death toll will rise because of their ignorance. But you know American's and their intolerance for any hardships.
so you seriously think it is reasonable to expect people to deal with an eighteen month lock-down that is IF a vacaine is developed in that time.
 
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so you seriously think it is reasonable to expect people to deal with an eighteen month lock-down that is IF a vacaine is developed in that time.
If it's that or a lot of people die, yes.

People in other countries live through decades of war and turmoil: are Americans really so fragile that they cannot cope with being indoors most of the time?

Are Americans really so weak? Look to the wider world and what people have had to live through: in all honesty it makes American look pathetic, spinless weaklings.
 
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If it's that or a lot of people die, yes.

People in other countries live through decades of war and turmoil: are Americans really so fragile that they cannot cope with being indoors most of the time?

Are Americans really so weak? Look to the wider world and what people have had to live through: in all honesty it makes American look pathetic, spinless weaklings.
I hate to tell you but between the various other ways people would die if the economy went that far south ( made a post listing those earlier) and the outright violence that would happen from being that angry and stir crazy I would not be shocked if more people died from that long a lock-down than this virus.
 
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I hate to tell you but between the various other ways people would die if the economy went that far south ( made a post listing those earlier) and the outright violence that would happen from being that angry and stir crazy I would not be shocked if more people died from that long a lock-down than this virus.
Well, then America is doomed one way or another. Either the disease will decimate their vulnerable population or their own violent nature will have them clawing at each other's throats like rats fight over the last piece of food.
 
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Well, then America is doomed one way or another. Either the disease will decimate their vulnerable population or their own violent nature will have them clawing at each other's throats like rats fight over the last piece of food.
Well, then America is doomed one way or another. Either the disease will decimate their vulnerable population or their own violent nature will have them clawing at each other's throats like rats fight over the last piece of food.
There are several ways someone could die from the poor economy made a list.
 
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We may not get a vaccine. And were told that if we do get one it won't be for a year. Are we keeping our country closed for a year? That's IF we get a vaccine. How many lives will be destroyed by then? And that only between now and then. This would create incredible devastation for years to come.

We don't need that. We can do this with mitigation.

People don't want to understand because they truly don't care about anyone else only themselves. If they really cared than they would understand that America can not be shutdown forever. It just shows those that pretend to care about the little man only care about self.
 
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If they think that is the case why shut down? If you let it run its course you will get more deaths, BUT it will be quicker and you will not have to shut down twice ( once for the first wave and once for the second wave) Just get it over with all at once
During the Spanish flu, the cities who stayed locked down NEVER had a second wave
 
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heh you were saying phse in the opening, both seemed to be trying to open all together with no planning or slowly doing so.

Yes I said most and some. Most are phasing in. That doesn't mean all. And maybe just maybe it's okay for some to just open. I don't pretend know all the particulars for each state or community.
 
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Which are what the lockdowns are...the thing we seem to be debating is “how much?” and “how long?”.

Forget about the money...it’s not for-real anyways, it just how the world keeps track of “who does/makes what”.

How do you forget about the money when you need it to get the things you need? Mortgages will still come due. Power will have to be paid for. Clothing needs purchasing. Rent had to be paid, gas must be puchased, car insurance is due. You can't forget about money.
 
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I believe we are in the second wave and the first wave was here last year which would make sense because this wave was deadlier and there is evidence that doctors and scientist are uncovering by anti body testing and autopsy to that effect.
 
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