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Scott Husted said:

You do know that any understanding of anything is you interpreting it for what it is ...

Like ... how many words does it take to describe one word ...

Scripture like all things opens to us, or Paul would have never said that Hagar was a mountain, or Peter understood that Jesus was the son of God, and Jesus would have certainly never said the kingdom of God was like the process of a seed planted in the ground (though the whole of scripture is just that). Or refered to Jersusalem like a woman whose children he would have gathered together but she would not let him.

The eye that is single has all his thoughts gathered in one ....

The mind at enmity with God begins with a seed just as the mind of christ in us begins as a seed.

The serpent planted a seed in a woman ... eventually she's called (in one picture form that is) a garden of cucumbers.

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This is why you use Scripture to interpret Scripture.

jasonMalloy1999 said:

what does the mark of the beast truly mean

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The mark of the beast is to be branded with the mark of the beast indicating you belong to him. The end of the age resolves the question of who we belong to. It does appear to be some kind of computer chip that would essentially be your credit card and personal information. It would reduce identify theft, make it harder for criminals to operate anonymously, could store medical health information, etc.

jasonMalloy1999 said:

2 do you think we might live our lives before jesus arrives like get old as im 20 now and wanna try to make it to 60

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There are two possible answers to this. Yes, or No.

If the answer is Yes then I need to get right with the Lord, worship Him and obey Him.

If the answer is No then I still need to live my life as though the answer is yes.

ZNP said:

The mark of the beast is to be branded with the mark of the beast indicating you belong to him. The end of the age resolves the question of who we belong to. It does appear to be some kind of computer chip that would essentially be your credit card and personal information. It would reduce identify theft, make it harder for criminals to operate anonymously, could store medical health information, etc.

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There are two possible answers to this. Yes, or No.

If the answer is Yes then I need to get right with the Lord, worship Him and obey Him.

If the answer is No then I still need to live my life as though the answer is yes.

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We see in Scripture that money can be used to determine your master. The Mark from Revelation clearly states that it is connected to the buying and selling system of those times. It says no man will buy and sell without the Mark and that type of physical enforcement is only in our days and times coming to pass through the cashless type system that's coming.

Why is everybody worried about the mark of the beast? I don't even think 1/3 of the world has been burned up yet. So how could we get the mark if the first trumpet hasn't been sounded yet?

AllDayFaith said:

Why is everybody worried about the mark of the beast? I don't even think 1/3 of the world has been burned up yet. So how could we get the mark if the first trumpet hasn't been sounded yet?

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Thats what I ask every time they do a fire drill at my school.

AllDayFaith said:

Why is everybody worried about the mark of the beast? I don't even think 1/3 of the world has been burned up yet. So how could we get the mark if the first trumpet hasn't been sounded yet?

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If they were writing and talking about it 2000 years ago how much more in the days and times in which we live should we be talking about it while its manifesting.

Billy UK said:

This is why you use Scripture to interpret Scripture, Not private interpretation.

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To show an interpretation relative to the process of this seed in us... Do you know why Gomorrah is left out in the description of the city that rules over the kings of the earth, and drunk on the blood of the saints based on the OT?

Scott Husted said:

To show an interpretation relative to the process of thus seed in us... Do you know why Gomorrah is left out in the description of the city that rules over the kings of the earth, and drunk on the blood of the saints based on the OT?

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That would again depend on your interpretation, You are referencing this Scripture ?

Billy UK said:

That would again depend on your interpretation as your posts are you putting forth your interpretations of the Scriptures.

Revelation 11:8 (KJV)

8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.​

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What is your interpretation of why? and how does that relate to christ being revealed in you ... Like why a 1/3 of the angels and not a 1/4 or 1/5? Why seven seals, or four beasts and not three ... why is a city referred to as a woman, or an angel that falls as the one who has a key that opens a bottomless pit ...

The Bible is a cohesive narrative from cover to cover. If it's in the new its shadow and types can be found in the Old in direct relationship to what Paul said was a mystery hid from the beginning.

Scott Husted said:

What is your interpretation of why? and how does that relate to christ being revealed in you ... Like why a 1/3 of the angels and not a 1/4 or 1/5? Why seven seals, or four beasts and not three ... why is a city referred to as a woman, or an angel that falls as the one who has a key that opens a bottomless pit ...

The Bible is a cohesive narrative from cover to cover. If it's in the new its shadow and types can be found in the Old in direct relationship to what Paul said was a mystery hid from the beginning.

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This thread is about the subject in question. The fact is that the Scripture states that the mark of the Beast is connected with the buying and selling system and when we look throughout the entire Bible we see that money is used by satan time and time again to get into the place of worship the Temple.

What is the Temple according to the Bible ?




How did satan get into the Temple of the Jews through the Pharisees ? Was it not by money ?

Billy UK said:

This thread is about the subject in question, if you wish to talk on such things open up threads about such things. The fact is that the Scripture states that the mark of the Beast is connected with the buying and selling system and when we look throughout the entire Bible we see that money is used by satan time and time again to get into the place of worship the Temple.

What is the Temple according to the Bible ?

1 Corinthians 6:19 (KJV)

19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?​

How did satan get into the Temple of the Jews through the Pharisees ? Was it not by money ?

Matthew 21:12-13(KJV)

12 And Jesus went into the temple of God, and cast out all them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers, and the seats of them that sold doves,

13 And said unto them, It is written, My house shall be called the house of prayer; but ye have made it a den of thieves.

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I'm not saying you are wrong, it's just bigger than this ... and actually that is why I brought up Gamorah, because it has everything to do with the buying, selling, and trading, and making merchandise out of the house of God.

One out of many Old Testament equivalents to this is when David numbered Israel ... who was Gods firstborn ... something that began in the first garden with a seed and a woman ...

Billy UK said:

Complete lies, God led men to write and preserve the Scriptures in an understandable way. How come its only the Bible that people do this with, what other books do you do this with ? totally illogical because its satanic deception

2 Timothy 3:16-17 (KJV)​

16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

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It shows me your not really trying to understand what I said but acting off of a knee-jerk reaction, which I understand because we all do it. If will look I said it was for us but not written directly to us. If you look at the book of Revelation objectively you will see that it was written to first century Christians. We can use the book to learn things but it was not written to us at all. God did not auto write the Scriptures He inspired people to write them and many times as in the case of St. John he could write in any easy to understand way when the Romans would look at it and realize it was about them then the letter would never got out and St. John would be executed.

The verse you shared I agree with, look what the verse nor anywhere in the Scriptures does not say - that Scripture was written to us, the verse says exactly what I said that Scripture are written for us.

charsan said:

If you look at the book of Revelation objectively you will see that it was written to first century Christians.

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As a matter of fulfillment. How can the dead bodies of the two witnesses have been viewed worldwide, back in the day of the first century Christians?

It is possible in our day, but not back then.

9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.

10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.

Douggg said:

As a matter of fulfillment. How can the dead bodies of the two witnesses have been viewed worldwide, back in the day of the first century Christians?

It is possible in our day, but not back then.

9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.

10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.

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It was not literal, it was symbolic which the first Century Christians knew but the key to unscramble the symbols has been lost to time. What we are left with after the first seven books is that John was referencing what happened at the time.

charsan said:

It was not literal, it was symbolic which the first Century Christians knew but the key to unscramble the symbols has been lost to time. What we are left with after the first seven books is that John was referencing what happened at the time.

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No-one bothered to write it down? If so (that no one wrote it down), how do you know that there was a first century Christian key to unscramble the the "symbols" ?

Douggg said:

No-one bothered to write it down? If so (that no one wrote it down), how do you know that there was a first century Christian key to unscramble the the "symbols" ?

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From the evidence in the book. The book is highly symbolic and written to the first century Christian it would be logical to assume that they understood what St. John was really referencing

Douggg said:

As a matter of fulfillment. How can the dead bodies of the two witnesses have been viewed worldwide, back in the day of the first century Christians?

It is possible in our day, but not back then.

9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.

10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.

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Can we based on the same premise take the words "all the earth" or "ends of the world" in these verses literal?

Jeremiah 51:7 Babylon hath been a golden cup in the LORD'S hand, that made all the earth drunken: the nations have drunken of her wine; therefore the nations are mad.

Rom 10:18 But I say, Have they not heard? Yes verily, their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world.

Scott Husted said:

Can we based on the same premise take the words "all the earth" or "ends of the world" in these verses literal?

Jeremiah 51:7 Babylon hath been a golden cup in the LORD'S hand, that made all the earth drunken: the nations have drunken of her wine; therefore the nations are mad.

Rom 10:18 But I say, Have they not heard? Yes verily, their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world.

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The events in Revelation, regarding the 70th week and the great tribulation, should be based upon these verses... as being literal.

Matthew 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

charsan said:

From the evidence in the book. The book is highly symbolic and written to the first century Christian it would be logical to assume that they understood what St. John was really referencing

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It is not logical.

Christians have been saying the Lord's prayer, ever since Jesus taught it, to present.

Matthew 6:9-13 - "This, then, is how you should pray: " 'Our Father in heaven, hallowed be your name, your kingdom come, your will be done, on earth as it is in heaven. Give us today our daily bread. And forgive us our debts as we also have forgiven our debtors. And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from the evil one.

When the 7 year 70th week ends and Jesus has returned to earth - the part of the prayer in blue will no longer be said.

In the days of the sounding of the seventh angel -

Revelaton 10:7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

Douggg said:

It is not logical.

Christians have been saying the Lord's prayer, ever since Jesus taught it, to present.

Matthew 6:9-13 - "This, then, is how you should pray: " 'Our Father in heaven, hallowed be your name, your kingdom come, your will be done, on earth as it is in heaven. Give us today our daily bread. And forgive us our debts as we also have forgiven our debtors. And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from the evil one.

When the 7 year 70th week ends and Jesus has returned to earth - the part of the prayer in blue will no longer be said.

In the days of the sounding of the seventh angel -

Revelaton 10:7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

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That is your belief not mine, I do not take things literally that clearly is not meant to be literal nor was even written to 21st man.