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We wish good for all men. We hope the thief gets to heaven before us. But we hope we get there too.

You too must toil and prove your worthiness or you will not be saved. For if you think you believe in Jesus Christ but do not do the works that he has before ordained for you to walk in, it does not matter if you think you are saved, you will not be, thief or no thief.

Besides, "paradise" is not the "kingdom of heaven". "Paradise" is only open until all are resurrected. Then it closes. The "kingdom of Heaven" is opened after you are resurrected and have been judged according to your works.

IOW "paradise" and the "kingdom of heaven" are 2 different places. Jesus knew that the kingdom of heaven was not available at the time for the thief who needed to be resurrected and judged before entering, or he would have said to the thief, today, shalt thou be with me in the kingdom of heaven.

So Jesus told him the truth, today shalt thou be with me in paradise, a different place than the kingdom of heaven, but a good place for a penitent thief to go to learn about the gospel of Jesus Christ to prepare for entry into the kingdom of heaven later.

You are just putting your spin on things here--nothing else.

But then in the next post from you--- you claimed you did not know where he went.
 
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Paradise is in the spirit world and is before the judgment and the resurrection. Here is a similar scripture:

(New Testament | Matthew 22:11 - 14)

11 ¶ And when the king came in to see the guests, he saw there a man which had not on a wedding garment:
12 And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was speechless.
13 Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
14 For many are called, but few are chosen.

And another one:

(Doctrine and Covenants | Section 121:34 - 46)

34 Behold, there are many called, but few are chosen. And why are they not chosen?
35 Because their hearts are set so much upon the things of this world, and aspire to the honors of men, that they do not learn this one lesson—
36 That the rights of the priesthood are inseparably connected with the powers of heaven, and that the powers of heaven cannot be controlled nor handled only upon the principles of righteousness.
37 That they may be conferred upon us, it is true; but when we undertake to cover our sins, or to gratify our pride, our vain ambition, or to exercise control or dominion or compulsion upon the souls of the children of men, in any degree of unrighteousness, behold, the heavens withdraw themselves; the Spirit of the Lord is grieved; and when it is withdrawn, Amen to the priesthood or the authority of that man.
38 Behold, ere he is aware, he is left unto himself, to kick against the pricks, to persecute the saints, and to fight against God.
39 We have learned by sad experience that it is the nature and disposition of almost all men, as soon as they get a little authority, as they suppose, they will immediately begin to exercise unrighteous dominion.
40 Hence many are called, but few are chosen.
41 No power or influence can or ought to be maintained by virtue of the priesthood, only by persuasion, by long-suffering, by gentleness and meekness, and by love unfeigned;
42 By kindness, and pure knowledge, which shall greatly enlarge the soul without hypocrisy, and without guile—
43 Reproving betimes with sharpness, when moved upon by the Holy Ghost; and then showing forth afterwards an increase of love toward him whom thou hast reproved, lest he esteem thee to be his enemy;
44 That he may know that thy faithfulness is stronger than the cords of death.
45 Let thy bowels also be full of charity towards all men, and to the household of faith, and let virtue garnish thy thoughts unceasingly; then shall thy confidence wax strong in the presence of God; and the doctrine of the priesthood shall distil upon thy soul as the dews from heaven.
46 The Holy Ghost shall be thy constant companion, and thy scepter an unchanging scepter of righteousness and truth; and thy dominion shall be an everlasting dominion, and without compulsory means it shall flow unto thee forever and ever.

Neither the Bible or you false D&C answers the question of the difference of paradise and heaven.
You bolded this:

many are called, but few are chosen in Matthew as well as in JS's plagiarized D&C, where it is just---many called, but few are chosen.
 
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So you really do not know were the thief went and then Mormons say they want to follow Christ, now and in the end.

If Christ were to tell me "Today you will be with me in Paradise" ---I would follow Him.
It is our duty to follow Him.
 
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Neither the Bible or you false D&C answers the question of the difference of paradise and heaven.
You bolded this:

many are called, but few are chosen in Matthew as well as in JS's plagiarized D&C, where it is just---many called, but few are chosen.
Where do spirits go before the resurrection?
 
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Where do spirits go before the resurrection?
It is not our spirit we should be concerned about--it is our souls.


1 Peter 2:24-25
24 A He who Himself bore our sins in His own body on the tree, that we, having died to sins, might live for righteousness—by whose stripes you were healed. 25 For you were like sheep going astray, but have now returned to the Shepherd and Overseer of your souls.



James 1:21
Therefore lay aside all filthiness and overflow of wickedness, and receive with meekness the implanted word, which is able to save your souls.

Luke 21:19

By your patience possess your souls.

And from Psalm 23:

Psalm 23:3
He restores my soul; He leads me in the paths of righteousness For His name’s sake.
 
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It is not our spirit we should be concerned about--it is our souls.


1 Peter 2:24-25
24 A He who Himself bore our sins in His own body on the tree, that we, having died to sins, might live for righteousness—by whose stripes you were healed. 25 For you were like sheep going astray, but have now returned to the Shepherd and Overseer of your souls.



James 1:21
Therefore lay aside all filthiness and overflow of wickedness, and receive with meekness the implanted word, which is able to save your souls.

Luke 21:19

By your patience possess your souls.

And from Psalm 23:

Psalm 23:3
He restores my soul; He leads me in the paths of righteousness For His name’s sake.
Soul is another word for spirit just like ghost is another word for spirit.
 
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Our duty?

How about----

1 John 4:19
We love Him because He first loved us
(New Testament | Luke 17:9 - 10)

9 Doth he thank that servant because he did the things that were commanded him? I trow not.
10 So likewise ye, when ye shall have done all those things which are commanded you, say, We are unprofitable servants: we have done that which was our duty to do.
 
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Soul is another word for spirit just like ghost is another word for spirit.
Actually they are differing if you study upon it.

Essentially the spirt in a man is that which seeks God, while the soul is our life-force. Why do you think there are so many verses with that differentiation in mind?

Soul is another word for spirit just like ghost is another word for spirit---he is the way

And as in [Holy] Ghost being another word for [Holy]Spirit? That is true.

You are definitely confused. You are mixing up spirit and soul in what you are saying or in making a comparison.
 
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(New Testament | Luke 17:9 - 10)

9 Doth he thank that servant because he did the things that were commanded him? I trow not.
10 So likewise ye, when ye shall have done all those things which are commanded you, say, We are unprofitable servants: we have done that which was our duty to do.
Do not know what version your are trying to quote but this comes up with the version you provided.

9 Doth he thank the servant because he did the things that were commanded?

Compared to YOUR version:


9 Doth he thank that servant because he did the things that were commanded him? I trow not.
 
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(New Testament | Luke 17:9 - 10)

9 Doth he thank that servant because he did the things that were commanded him? I trow not.
10 So likewise ye, when ye shall have done all those things which are commanded you, say, We are unprofitable servants: we have done that which was our duty to do.
And by the way Christ was teaching His Way then in Luke, which came about with the Holy Spirit which was later brought forward,
 
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Do not know what version your are trying to quote but this comes up with the version you provided.

9 Doth he thank the servant because he did the things that were commanded?

Compared to YOUR version:


9 Doth he thank that servant because he did the things that were commanded him? I trow not.
I used the KJV of the Bible. It is our duty to keep the commandments. After doing what we are commanded to do we are still unprofitable and need the atonement of Jesus Christ to save us. What will happen to those who don't keep the commandments?:
(New Testament | 1 Peter 4:18)

18 And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?
 
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I used the KJV of the Bible. It is our duty to keep the commandments. After doing what we are commanded to do we are still unprofitable and need the atonement of Jesus Christ to save us. What will happen to those who don't keep the commandments?:
(New Testament | 1 Peter 4:18)

18 And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?

I t was also the duty of people in the OT to keep the commandments. But all failed and that is why we need Christ.
 
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I t was also the duty of people in the OT to keep the commandments. But all failed and that is why we need Christ.

Jesus didn't come to cover our sins, but to show us the way that we can be saved if we imitate him.
 
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I t was also the duty of people in the OT to keep the commandments. But all failed and that is why we need Christ.
Every one needs the atonement, and you will notice that the scripture I posted was from the New Testament was was written AFTER Christ's death. While Jesus gave us the higher law and fulfilled the law of sacrifice by dying for us, it is still wrong to be dishonest, steal, kill, commit adultery, etc.
 
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So you really do not know were the thief went and then Mormons say they want to follow Christ, now and in the end.

If Christ were to tell me "Today you will be with me in Paradise" ---I would follow Him.
I would too, and I would be in "paradise", but not the "kingdom of heaven." I suggest that the only church that knows and uses the term "paradise" is the Church of Jesus Christ.
 
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It is not our spirit we should be concerned about--it is our souls.


1 Peter 2:24-25
24 A He who Himself bore our sins in His own body on the tree, that we, having died to sins, might live for righteousness—by whose stripes you were healed. 25 For you were like sheep going astray, but have now returned to the Shepherd and Overseer of your souls.



James 1:21
Therefore lay aside all filthiness and overflow of wickedness, and receive with meekness the implanted word, which is able to save your souls.

Luke 21:19

By your patience possess your souls.

And from Psalm 23:

Psalm 23:3
He restores my soul; He leads me in the paths of righteousness For His name’s sake.
None of these scriptures defined what a soul is?
Overseer of your soul.
Save your soul.
Posses your soul.
Restore my soul.

Let me give you a definition of what the soul is:
Genesis 2:7 King James Version (KJV)
7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

What does the "dust of the ground" represent? It represents the flesh and bone body of man.

What was it that God breathed into Adams nostrils? It is the "breath of life" or another word for "breath of life" is "spirit".

So into the flesh and bone body of Adam, God breathed the
"breath of life/spirit" and what happened? Adam became a living soul.

So according to this scripture, Adam was made up of 2 elements: His body of flesh and bone, and the "breath of life" or "spirit" breathed into his body by God.

The combination of body and breath of life/spirit = the soul of man.

So the overseer of you soul is overseeing both your body and your spirit.
The saving of your soul is the saving of both your body and your spirit.
The possessing of your soul is the possessing of your body and your spirit.
The restoring of your soul is that your body and spirit will be restored again together.

Does that make sense? I agree lots of people mistake soul for spirit, even in our writings it is not clear sometimes. Have to be more careful.
 
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None of these scriptures defined what a soul is?
Overseer if your soul.
Save your soul.
Posses your soul.
Restore my soul.

Let me give you a definition of what the soul is:
Genesis 2:7 King James Version (KJV)
7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

What does the "dust of the ground" represent? It represents the flesh and bone body of man.

What was it that God breathed into Adams nostrils? It is the "breath of life" or another word for "breath of life" is "spirit".

So into the flesh and bone body of Adam, God breathed the
"breath of life/spirit" and what happened? Adam became a living soul.

So according to this scripture, Adam was made up of 2 elements: His body of flesh and bone, and the "breath of life" or "spirit" breathed into his body by God.

The combination of body and breath of life/spirit = the soul of man.

So the overseer of you soul is overseeing both your body and your spirit.
The saving of your soul is the saving of both your body and your spirit.
The possessing of your soul is the possessing of your body and your spirit.
The restoring of your soul is that your body and spirit will be restored again together.

Does that make sense? I agree lots of people mistake soul for spirit, even in our writings it is not clear sometimes. Have to be more careful.


Genesis 2:7 King James Version (KJV)
7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

Nothing in that verse about a spirit in the Creation account.
 
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