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Oscarr said:

What I have come to realise is that athiests believe what they believe, want to. It is a matter of will, not the absence of knowledge. I think they know the Bible as much as we do, but they choose not to believe it, and no matter what evidence we may produce that would totally convince someone who wants to be assured that God is real; But in my experience, after all the evidence that we can produce, most of our atheist friends continue to argue against it, and one or two can become quite abusive when they run out of arguments. This is because the want to be atheists, and there is nothing we can do to change that. We cannot change their will in this matter. That's why I don't bother to argue with them any more.

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Subduction Zone said:

Oh my. so false. Sorry. it is not a matter of wanting to belive. In fact if you have to "want to believe" then you are admitting to an irrational thought process. Belief is involuntary when proper evidence is presented. The problem that I have always observed is that Christians do not understand that the evidence they claim is usually not reliable evidence. And that is often demonstrable by merely changing it a bit so that it sounds as if it were evidence for another religion. No Christians accept that as evidence for another religion when that simple test is done.

But if you have evidence please provide some.

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Oscarr said:

It is just that atheists choose not to believe. In other words they don't want to believe in God at all. I can't go any further with this because preaching Christianity is not the purpose of this forum.

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Subduction Zone said:

That is a base canard. There may be a few atheists that choose not to beleive. But most simply recognize the fact that there is no reliable evidence for any gods. I see Christians unjustly smearing atheists while breaking the Ninth Commandment. I do not see them taking the one action that they should take. That is presenting evidence. If one has actual evidence that would not qualify as preaching. Take your best shot. What is the reliable evidence for the Christian God?

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Oscarr said:

Have a look at this thread. Trouble is that you can't post there, but it might be interesting to view the different opinions.
100%, absolute, irrefutable proof of God's existence

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Subduction Zone said:

I am not going to hunt through a thread for supposed evidence. I did see that some did not understand the Kalam cosmological argument. That is not an argument for God when properly applied. It only tells us that there had to be a cause for the universe at best. There is no reason to assume that that cause was God. How about you find the best post from that thread?

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Oscarr said:

Have a look at this thread. Trouble is that you can't post there, but it might be interesting to view the different opinions.
100%, absolute, irrefutable proof of God's existence

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Oscarr said:

It is just that atheists choose not to believe. In other words they don't want to believe in God at all. I can't go any further with this because preaching Christianity is not the purpose of this forum.

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dogs4thewin said:

plenty to many people

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dogs4thewin said:

Why do I believe that what is not real?

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Larnievc said:

I don't understand the question. Can you rephrase it? Are you asking me why you don't believe in something that is not real? How do you know Enki is not real?

Human beings exist and he made human beings in the image of the gods. Isn't that evidence enough?

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Oscarr said:

It is just that atheists choose not to believe. In other words they don't want to believe in God at all. I can't go any further with this because preaching Christianity is not the purpose of this forum.

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Larnievc said:

Not so. If there was evidence that I could see my dead grandparents again by accepting Jesus as my Saviour I would do so in an instant.

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Ophiolite said:

Of course, that could be explained by the existence of a very powerful entity who was sympathetic to positive human desires, yet was not the Christian God. (One of the reasons I am atheistic to the Christian God, but agnostic to the concept of any kind of God.)

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Oscarr said:

Have a look at this thread. Trouble is that you can't post there, but it might be interesting to view the different opinions.
100%, absolute, irrefutable proof of God's existence

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Oscarr said:

That's all from me then. Good night.

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The IbanezerScrooge said:

What I find interesting is that thread is full of nothing but self-professing Christians and there are plenty of arguments and criticisms pointing out all the flaws in the video linked in the OP. Many are the same that "the atheists" make. So, it seems to me that Christians need to get their own house in order about what they actually believe before trying to tell anyone else they are wrong. There's a reason why that is so. I mean you'd think that a group of people who claim to have a personal relationship with the creator of the Universe could just, like, ask it what the answers to all these cosmic questions are. Why should they disagree? This is like a group of friends standing around arguing amongst themselves where their mutual best friend likes to go eat when he's standing right there.

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The IbanezerScrooge said:

I mean you'd think that a group of people who claim to have a personal relationship with the creator of the Universe could just, like, ask it what the answers to all these cosmic questions are. Why should they disagree? This is like a group of friends standing around arguing amongst themselves where their mutual best friend likes to go eat when he's standing right there.

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