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Hi all here is a 16 point rebuttal from another thread I thought best posted here as it would otherwise get lost for those interested. The reply will be made over a few posts. What are your thought? Do you believe Gods' Word is the guide of Christians?
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16 POINT REBUTTAL OF THE MAIN ARGUMENT IN Sola Scriptura Doesn't Make Sense
[20], For every one that does evil hates the light, neither comes to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. [21], But he that does truth comes to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are worked in God. Please if you disagree with any of the scriptures provided here that prove why your claims are in error, please prove why you disagree.
- Point 1 falls over....
God's Word is the very source of truth and tells us if someone has been given a direct revelation from God or not as it is written again; To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them *ISAIAH 8:20 and again And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. He that said, I know him, and keeps not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him *1 JOHN 2:3-4. If there is no Word of God there is no standard has been given a direct revelation from God or not.
- Point 2 falls over....
- Point three comes crashing down....
To be continued...
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16 POINT REBUTTAL OF THE MAIN ARGUMENT IN Sola Scriptura Doesn't Make Sense
Let's see about your claims and bring everything to the light of God's Word. As it is written only God's Word is true and we should believe and follow it over the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God *ROMANS 3:4 and again in JOHN 3:20-21This post will serve as a summary list of the seemingly insurmountable objections facing Sola Scriptura.
[20], For every one that does evil hates the light, neither comes to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. [21], But he that does truth comes to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are worked in God. Please if you disagree with any of the scriptures provided here that prove why your claims are in error, please prove why you disagree.
There are only no conceivable exception if you do not believe the scriptures. Where point one falls down and can be dismissed right away is that there is only one standard for GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS and that is the Word of God given through God's 10 commandments *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172. If we break anyone of them we stand guilty before God of sin *JAMES 2:10-11. Sin which is defined in Gods' Word is not believing God's Word *ROMANS 14:23 and breaking anyone of God's 10 commandments *JAMES 2:10-11; 1 JOHN 3:4. Breaking God's commandments from the heart is also defined in the scriptures or the Word of God as "Evil" in MATTHEW 15:19 see also GENESIS 6:5. So the point here? It is the Word of God alone (Sola scriptura) that gives us the knowledge of what good and evil; Sin and righteousness is. Outside of God's Word we do not know what sin is or have no knowledge of what sin is. This is why it is written in the scriptures in JAMES 4:17 [17], Therefore to him that knows to do good, and does it not, to him it is sin and again in Acts of the Apostles 17:30-31 [30] And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commands all men every where to repent:[31], Because he has appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he has ordained; whereof he has given assurance to all men, in that he has raised him from the dead which links to ROMANS 7:7 [7], What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. No, I had not known sin, but by the law (Word of God): for I had not known lust, except the law had said, You shall not covet (refering to EXODUS 20:17). The scriptures teach "FAITH comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God *ROMANS 10:17. If we are saved by God's GRACE THROUGH FAITH *EPHESIANS 2:8-9 how then can you have FAITH which is needed for God's salvation *JOHN 3:16-21; EPHESIANS 2:8-9 when you have no Word?(1) There are no conceivable exceptions to the following maxim. (I prefer to call it the rule of conscience, but the exact naming of it isn’t a vital issue). “If I feel certain that action-A is evil, and B is good, I should opt for B”.
This maxim is a final authority in the sense that it both can and does properly dictate all our behavior, thereby contradicting the view of Scripture as the ONLY final authority. The maxim is tautological because it defines justice. God would be unjust to dishonor this maxim because perfect justice evaluates men on whether they did what is right to the best of their knowledge, which is precisely what the maxim means. Interestingly Rom chap. 14 seems to be a verbose articulation of the maxim. It implies that the final court of appeals on moral issues is whether the individual either "has doubts" (vs 23), on the one hand, or feels "fully convinced" (vs. 5), on the other. Parallel to Romans 14 is 1Cor 8:1-13 which actually mentions the word conscience several times.
- Point 1 falls over....
God's Word teaches that before the written word of God given to ISRAEL at Mt Sinai, there was the Spoken Word of God (GENESIS 3:1-3; 9; 11-19 8:15; 9:8; 24:7; 31:11 etc). After the written Word of God, sometimes God provides direct revelation of His Word to those who he sends as prophets and messengers to His people. This is biblical where your argument here in point 2 falls down we are also told in the scriptures that there will be many false prophets and teachers that God has not sent even showing great signs and wonders that if it were possible could deceive Gods' very elect *MATTHEW 24:24; JEREMIAH 14:4; MATTHEW 24:11; LUKE 6:26; 2 PETER 2:1. We are told in 1 JOHN 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. How then do we try the Spirits to see if they are of God or not? JESUS says the WORDS THAT I SPEAK UNTO YOU THEY ARE SPIRIT AND THEY ARE LIGHT *JOHN 6:63.(2) The biblical incidents of God speaking to men presuppose the maxim. Righteous men obeyed the Voice (even when it commanded them to slaughter entire nations) because it caused them to feel certain that it was the morally right thing to do. In fact Heb 3 and 4 thrice rebuked Israel for initially abstaining from the slaughter, chastising it as disobedience to the Voice. See 1 Sam 15 for a similar example. And when Paul heard the Voice on the road to Damascus, he rightly abandoned 20 years of exegesis-based conclusions, because the Voice caused him to feel certain of the gospel. To summarize, the only viable definition of Direct Revelation is God-given feelings of certainty, because God’s voice is of no use to me if it doesn’t help me feel certain about the authenticity of the message. In fact, such dynamics form the only cogent explanation as to how biblical inspiration enabled the prophets to author the Scriptures.
God's Word is the very source of truth and tells us if someone has been given a direct revelation from God or not as it is written again; To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them *ISAIAH 8:20 and again And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. He that said, I know him, and keeps not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him *1 JOHN 2:3-4. If there is no Word of God there is no standard has been given a direct revelation from God or not.
- Point 2 falls over....
Well this one is the easiest one of all to refute as it is the scriptures alone that show that conversion and salvation is the word of God alone we we believe and follow his Word *EPEHSANS 2:8-9; JOHN 3:16-21 etc. There is actually too many scriptures here that disagree with your teachings for example EPHESIANS 1:13 In whom you also trusted, AFTER THE YOU HEARD THE WORD OF TRUTH, THE GOSPEL OF YOUR SALVATION: in whom also after that you believed, you were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise. We are told in the scriptures that we are saved by God's GRACE THROUGH FAITH.. *EPHESIANS 2:8. Now if our salvation and conversion is by BELIEVING God's Word and faith comes by hearing and hearing comes only by the Word of God *ROMANS 10:17. How can you have conversion when there is no Word?(3) The Sola Scriptura position logically contradicts conversion. If biblical exegesis is the only appropriate basis for reaching religious conclusions, the prospective convert has no appropriate basis to claim, conclude, or assert that Scripture itself is inspired. The solution is to admit that the maxim defined in point #1 is the basis for conversion, meaning the agnostic converts when he feels certain that accepting the gospel is the morally right thing to do. Arguably the Inward Witness is what causes him to feel certain about the gospel. And this isn’t just an event of the past – he needs this feeling of certainty DAILY to sustain saving faith, he especially needs this help if he is or becomes mentally ill (Alzheimers), or is an adolescent, or has no access to a Bible, and so on. This means that feelings of certainty are authoritative for the duration of the Christian life, contrary to the notion of exegesis as our only authority. In fact, exegesis cannot be the basis for conversion because there was no printing press for 90% of salvation history.
- Point three comes crashing down....
To be continued...
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