Is Media Coverage about Persecuted Christians Flawed?

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so now that we know what adaan is... you didn't back your claim up concerning your purported prayer ban (which is fabrication, I guess).
Mosques have often been prohibited from using loud speakers, due to local ordinances that apply to every one. Just like western Christians they scream persecution when they don't get special accommodation.
 
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Severe persecution is going on.. in many countries.
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It seems that 'some Christians' are not aware of ( or concerned )..about persecution.
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Media does not cover much.. news about 'Christian persecution.'
- As you mentioned, 'Open Doors' gives good info./news.
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I have been working with Christian leaders in 'restricted countries.'
Christian persecution is wrong and should be advocated against. In many countries being an atheist will get you killed as well. Is this persecution important as well?
 
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Mosques have often been prohibited from using loud speakers, due to local ordinances that apply to every one. Just like western Christians they scream persecution when they don't get special accommodation.
thank you for your words.
@Godistruth1 I don't think it makes sense to compare a ban on veils to persecution.
Don't get me wrong: I think bans on veils are wrong.
But a veil, as I see it, is always rude against society. Quran says
(33:59) O Prophet, enjoin your wives and your daughters and the believing women, to draw a part of their outer coverings around them. It is likelier that they will be recognised and not molested. Allah is Most Forgiving, Most Merciful.
So, by wearing a veil, women as I see it accuse their surrounding to be one of potential molesters.
Some western societies say no. At least to the most extreme forms of it - like Burka.
Which is still wrong. In my opinion, wearing a Burka should still be allowed. If an adult woman decides she wants to dress up that way... it must be allowed.
Being rude is also allowed in Western societies.
 
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Christian persecution is wrong and should be advocated against. In many countries being an atheist will get you killed as well. Is this persecution important as well?
Good point..
- I agree with you.
 
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Both Christians and Muslims are being persecuted in India at the moment.
Also not a Christian country.
Muslims are persecuted in the western society to the point that they are not allowed to pray, give the adaan, wear hijab and fined in many countries, houses raided etc etc. Not to mention invading Muslims countries and killing civilians and draining them off their resources
No, lol, nothing happens to anyone because they are Muslim. Stuff happens to people suspected of being criminals and terrorists.
 
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In many countries being an atheist will get you killed as well.
Well, not necessarily killed straight away. Most of those Muslim countries will first allow you the opportunity to convert.
 
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In a discussion I had recently, a Non-Christian said that the persecution of Christians exists, but I should not believe everything the media tell on that matter.
Before I categorize everything I read as half-truth... where are these fake news about persecuted Christians then? Does anybody know of any?
What the person told you is true and I will give a few examples that will show this.

Here is an interview that appeared on CNN with Mark Arabo a few years back about Christian persecution in Iraq.


And now the story from someone who was actually there who was questioned about what Mark Arabo was claiming on CNN:

Your Beatitude, on CNN, Mark Arabo, a California businessman and leader in the Iraqi-American Christian community, spoke about a “Christian genocide” and a “systematic beheading of children” by ISIS, saying that “there’s a park in Mosul where they have beheaded children and put their heads on a stick.” Can you confirm or deny these reports?

Nothing like that. No beheadings. In Mosul money was stolen, but Christians have not been physically attacked. There was a large mass exodus and great panic in the Plain of Nineveh. People were literally driven out of their villages. There was one fatality—a man, during a tense moment as he was trying to cross a checkpoint.


An example from Nigeria:

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No, there is no evidence that 60,000 Christians been killed in a 'genocide' by "Fulani Herdsmen" in Nigeria

According to the International Crisis Group, political and religious claims of a jihad by ethnic Fulanis are conspiracies which have grown in response to the conflict, which is fundamentally about land-use between mainly nomadic cattle herders and sedentary farmers.

There are no reliable estimates for the total number of deaths since 2001 and no known estimates which divide the deaths along religious lines. The herders are mainly Muslim while the farmers are largely Christian.

The International Crisis Group reported around 12,000 deaths from 2011-2016. It said that in the first 6 months of 2018, 1,300 people were killed in clashes between herders and farmers.

In northern Nigeria, clashes have also occurred in states like Gombe, where the majority of farmers are Muslim, suggesting that the underlying causes for the conflict are not religious.

A number of US-based Christian groups and organisations have repeated similar claims, including Open Doors USA, the US branch of an international organisation that supports “persecuted Christians in the most high-risk places”.

Others include the Gatestone Institute, a right-wing think tank.

Articles and petitions repeating these claims have been shared hundreds of thousands of times on Facebook.

And here are a couple of examples that I have first hand knowledge of from the Philippines:

If you google the term "60,000 Christians Philippines", you will get a lot of results like the ones below:

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The claim that 60,000 Christians had been "ethnically cleansed" in the Philippines is false.

I have first hand knowledge of this event because I have been working in the communities affected before, during, and after this incident took place. The villages where the fighting took place were Rio Hondo, Sta. Catalina, and Sta. Barbara which are all predominantly Muslim. There are a few Christians that live in those communities along with some Animist, but it wasn't Christians that were primarily affected or displaced, it was Muslims. And while Zamboanga City is a predominantly Christian city, the areas affected were not. Here's a local report that confirms this.

Zamboanga City standoff not a religious war

In Zamboanga City, the Department of Social Welfare and Development’s operations center reported that 62,329 persons are now staying in 20 evacuation centers in the city.

“A lot of people, about 90 percent Muslims, are suffering from this man-made calamity that Misuari is answerable for,” Hataman said. Hataman warned residents of Zamboanga City and Mindanao in general not to be misled by deceptive tactics aimed at driving deeper the wedge between Muslims and Christians. “We need to be informed properly and not to believe in deceptions,” he said.



This next example was shared by a website that claims it is fighting Christian persecution around the world.

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Stranded Boat Discovered With 8 Beheaded Fishermen - Walid Shoebat

While the article doesn't make the claim the fishermen were Christian, since it is a Christian persecution site and a sentence in the story says "Remember, that the Muslims are constantly hunting after and killing Christians. Please help your brethren and donate now.", what would readers be led to believe?

The fishermen in this story were not Christians and the incident had nothing at all to do with religion.

Remains of 8 executed Badjao fishermen found

ZAMBOANGA CITY, Philippines - Villagers and authorities recovered the remains of eight fishermen, who were executed by suspected pirates and were missing for 10 days, separately along the seas of the coastal village and island east of this city, according to police and officials.

The police said the victims were among the 11 local sea gypsies known as Badjao of the Muslim tribe in this southern port city who were executed by pirates on Christmas day.


When events like the examples I gave occur in far flung parts of the world, it's easy for media outlets and organizations that report on Christian persecution to misrepresent the facts to further their agendas. After all, how would someone living thousands of miles removed from the story know one way or the other if what is being reported is true or not?

Not all are guilty of intentionally publishing misleading information of course, but many are. Sometimes they rely on second hand information from sources they believe to be reliable and run with a story without doing any fact checking, in cases like that, they would not be at fault.

I'm in no way trying to downplay the persecution of Christians by making this post, there is a great deal of persecution taking place in the world, but many organizations do in fact inflate the numbers or exaggerate certain circumstances for their own benefit. When you hear sensational stories of Christian persecution, especially those that take place in remote parts of the world, it's advisable to do a little research before taking everything that's being reported at face value.
 
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but I don't know what azaan is, can you please clarify.
Call to prayer. U can Google it
Fines for wearing veils are wrong, in my opinion. But you didn't back your claim up concerning fines.
The article i gave a link to also mentions about fines. Here is it again
The Islamic veil across Europe
Re: raids. You gave a source, but you didn't specify your claim concerning raids.
To document a claim properly means to indicate the page on which you claim raids are mentioned. You can't expect anyone to scan 80+ pages, for a single claim.
Read page 74
This can also be a strategy to cover up the inability to support your claim using decent sourcing? Since there is noone willing to read 80 pages to find any such thing ... this does not render your claim documented.
74 page number like i said
 
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What the person told you is true and I will give a few examples that will show this.

Here is an interview that appeared on CNN with Mark Arabo a few years back about Christian persecution in Iraq.


And now the story from someone who was actually there who was questioned about what Mark Arabo was claiming on CNN:

Your Beatitude, on CNN, Mark Arabo, a California businessman and leader in the Iraqi-American Christian community, spoke about a “Christian genocide” and a “systematic beheading of children” by ISIS, saying that “there’s a park in Mosul where they have beheaded children and put their heads on a stick.” Can you confirm or deny these reports?

Nothing like that. No beheadings. In Mosul money was stolen, but Christians have not been physically attacked. There was a large mass exodus and great panic in the Plain of Nineveh. People were literally driven out of their villages. There was one fatality—a man, during a tense moment as he was trying to cross a checkpoint.


An example from Nigeria:

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No, there is no evidence that 60,000 Christians been killed in a 'genocide' by "Fulani Herdsmen" in Nigeria

According to the International Crisis Group, political and religious claims of a jihad by ethnic Fulanis are conspiracies which have grown in response to the conflict, which is fundamentally about land-use between mainly nomadic cattle herders and sedentary farmers.

There are no reliable estimates for the total number of deaths since 2001 and no known estimates which divide the deaths along religious lines. The herders are mainly Muslim while the farmers are largely Christian.

The International Crisis Group reported around 12,000 deaths from 2011-2016. It said that in the first 6 months of 2018, 1,300 people were killed in clashes between herders and farmers.

In northern Nigeria, clashes have also occurred in states like Gombe, where the majority of farmers are Muslim, suggesting that the underlying causes for the conflict are not religious.

A number of US-based Christian groups and organisations have repeated similar claims, including Open Doors USA, the US branch of an international organisation that supports “persecuted Christians in the most high-risk places”.

Others include the Gatestone Institute, a right-wing think tank.

Articles and petitions repeating these claims have been shared hundreds of thousands of times on Facebook.

And here are a couple of examples that I have first hand knowledge of from the Philippines:

If you google the term "60,000 Christians Philippines", you will get a lot of results like the ones below:

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The claim that 60,000 Christians had been "ethnically cleansed" in the Philippines is false.

I have first hand knowledge of this event because I have been working in the communities affected before, during, and after this incident took place. The villages where the fighting took place were Rio Hondo, Sta. Catalina, and Sta. Barbara which are all predominantly Muslim. There are a few Christians that live in those communities along with some Animist, but it wasn't Christians that were primarily affected or displaced, it was Muslims. And while Zamboanga City is a predominantly Christian city, the areas affected were not. Here's a local report that confirms this.

Zamboanga City standoff not a religious war

In Zamboanga City, the Department of Social Welfare and Development’s operations center reported that 62,329 persons are now staying in 20 evacuation centers in the city.

“A lot of people, about 90 percent Muslims, are suffering from this man-made calamity that Misuari is answerable for,” Hataman said. Hataman warned residents of Zamboanga City and Mindanao in general not to be misled by deceptive tactics aimed at driving deeper the wedge between Muslims and Christians. “We need to be informed properly and not to believe in deceptions,” he said.



This next example was shared by a website that claims it is fighting Christian persecution around the world.

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Stranded Boat Discovered With 8 Beheaded Fishermen - Walid Shoebat

While the article doesn't make the claim the fishermen were Christian, since it is a Christian persecution site and a sentence in the story says "Remember, that the Muslims are constantly hunting after and killing Christians. Please help your brethren and donate now.", what would readers be led to believe?

The fishermen in this story were not Christians and the incident had nothing at all to do with religion.

Remains of 8 executed Badjao fishermen found

ZAMBOANGA CITY, Philippines - Villagers and authorities recovered the remains of eight fishermen, who were executed by suspected pirates and were missing for 10 days, separately along the seas of the coastal village and island east of this city, according to police and officials.

The police said the victims were among the 11 local sea gypsies known as Badjao of the Muslim tribe in this southern port city who were executed by pirates on Christmas day.


When events like the examples I gave occur in far flung parts of the world, it's easy for media outlets and organizations that report on Christian persecution to misrepresent the facts to further their agendas. After all, how would someone living thousands of miles removed from the story know one way or the other if what is being reported is true or not?

Not all are guilty of intentionally publishing misleading information of course, but many are. Sometimes they rely on second hand information from sources they believe to be reliable and run with a story without doing any fact checking, in cases like that, they would not be at fault.

I'm in no way trying to downplay the persecution of Christians by making this post, there is a great deal of persecution taking place in the world, but many organizations do in fact inflate the numbers or exaggerate certain circumstances for their own benefit. When you hear sensational stories of Christian persecution, especially those that take place in remote parts of the world, it's advisable to do a little research before taking everything that's being reported at face value.
Last paragraph of your post.
" I'm in no way.."
Good point.
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About 'Open Doors USA'
They give info./news - about Christian persecution around the world.
- Especially 'Restricted Countries.'
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I get direct info./news from Christian leaders - on frontline.
- Info./news from 'Open Doors ' has been mostly accurate.. 'on countries I have been involved.'
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About Statistics / Numbers game.
- It is my perspective..there is no such figure/number as '100% correct.' in Media..etc.
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Anyone can exaggerate/inflate the figure & event for benefit..etc. nowadays.
- Classic example: in politics.
- Some Christian organizations do that ..to raise more fund.
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As I mentioned on my previous post (#5),
I have been working with Christian leaders in 'Restricted Countries'...30 years.
 
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Well, not necessarily killed straight away. Most of those Muslim countries will first allow you the opportunity to convert.
Which I would instead of being killed. Then try to find a way out of there.
 
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