Earth is Flat

tryphena rose · Apr 17, 2020

Paul4JC said:
This is what many Christians believe, That the Bible does not teach FE. (I guess the mods at this site believe this too, since they keep moving these threads to controversial science.)

Dr Michael Heiser, is a scholar in the fields of biblical studies and the ancient Near East, Hebrew Bible and Semitic Languages. (He used to work at Logos Bible Software). Even though he acknowledges and shows the Bible teaches flat disk, yet says these are “outdated descriptions."

Then there others like Rob Skiba and Zen Garcia, who both teach that the Bible teaches Flat disk cosmology and also embrace the view.

Then I guess there may be Flat Earthers who don’t believe in the Bible.

Unfortunately, the latter two get thrown into the same group.

Thanks for the video!

Yeah I think most dismiss it, mainly due to fear to how they may appear to others if they believed it. A person's mind is shaped by many of their own traditions, and it is always painful to break them. And To make a second point--I love apologetics, but obviously the scholars can't always be right. And eventually they will even start to have answers against the truth of the matter, because they just don't know what they don't know. Not claiming that I am the truth bearer or anything, but because it is my opinion and I have the right to openly say it, I do think that current mainstream Christian thought on the earth today, is just one of those things. I'm glad to see that people are willing to speak up over what scripture says. I say we all just let the scripture speak for itself and stop trying to answer things away with our own pre-held beliefs. Instead of going into the Bible thinking "a, b, and c", we should just let the Bible tell us what "a,b, and c" are, and go from there.

Kinable · Apr 17, 2020

IceJad said:
So I wonder how deep is a flat Earth and what is on the flip side another set of land? All models of a flat Earth is always showing only the top part.

In a spherical Earth it's about 6300KM.

Sheol and more water under that.

"Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth." - Exodus 20:4

tryphena rose · Apr 17, 2020

coffee4u said:
I looked over the page to find your last two posts and see no questions at the bottom. I also must have missed the scripture that you posted.

If you would like to post them again I will look at them. I do not believe the Bible teaches either flat or globe earth.

"I'm sure you are set on you're doctrine, but I'd like to ask, where do you think God is[by this I meant location of habitation]? Do you think we're on a big ball moving through an endless space, heading towards a black hole in the center of a barred spiral galaxy, like the rest of what science says? capable of being pelted by asteroids every 5-10 years, or in danger of a catastrophic weather meltdown, at the complete whim of nature? or do you believe something in the middle? and lastly, is their biblical evidence, for the things that you believe, like there is for me? (of which I know you do not agree, but I've yet to be convinced)"

Here you go. All ears, but please know that I've been meaning to drop this post once I am done hearing from topher. I've expressly stated it before. Thank you, and excited to hear what you have to say.

IceJad · Apr 17, 2020

Kinable said:
Sheol and more water under that.

"Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth." - Exodus 20:4

Water under the earth is also present in a spherical Earth. That's why we can dig for wells and also there are animals living in underground rivers ecosystems.

The question is how deep is a flat Earth and what is on the flip side of the coin? How deep is the abyss? Finite or infinite?

Kinable · Apr 17, 2020

IceJad said:
Water under the earth is also present in a spherical Earth. That's why we can dig for wells and also there are animals living in underground rivers ecosystems.

The question is how deep is a flat Earth and what is on the flip side of the coin? How deep is the abyss? Finite or infinite?

God said under the Earth, not in between it. There's still Earth under the water you're talking about. I don't see why He wouldn't want us to make images of aquifers and groundwater to the point that he would dedicate a commandment to it.

Edit: I keep forgetting that a "graven image" is an idol, the word "image" throws me off but yeah.

prodromos · Apr 17, 2020

tryphena rose said:
"I'm sure you are set on you're doctrine, but I'd like to ask, where do you think God is[by this I meant location of habitation]? Do you think we're on a big ball moving through an endless space, heading towards a black hole in the center of a barred spiral galaxy, like the rest of what science says? capable of being pelted by asteroids every 5-10 years, or in danger of a catastrophic weather meltdown, at the complete whim of nature? or do you believe something in the middle? and lastly, is their biblical evidence, for the things that you believe, like there is for me? (of which I know you do not agree, but I've yet to be convinced)"

Here you go. All ears, but please know that I've been meaning to drop this post once I am done hearing from topher. I've expressly stated it before. Thank you, and excited to hear what you have to say.

I asked you this in post 342 which you have yet to answer.
In John 6, Jesus plainly states that we need to eat His flesh and drink His blood, otherwise we have no life in Him.

Are you consistent in how you interpret Scripture or do you claim there is another way to interpret what Christ plainly states?

IceJad · Apr 17, 2020

Kinable said:
God said under the Earth, not in between it. There's still Earth under the water you're talking about. I don't see why He wouldn't want us to make images of aquifers and groundwater to the point that he would dedicate a commandment to it.

Then we shouldn't make images of angels, the sun, stars or anything for that matter because God clearly states nothing in the heavens, the earth beneath and water under the earth. We shouldn't even have passion plays because we make actors to look like the Lord.

The question still remains how deep is the flat Earth? Is it finite or infinite?

Kinable · Apr 17, 2020

prodromos said:
I asked you this in post 342 which you have yet to answer.
In John 6, Jesus plainly states that we need to eat His flesh and drink His blood, otherwise we have no life in Him.

Are you consistent in how you interpret Scripture or do you claim there is another way to interpret what Christ plainly states?

Someone doesn't understand context, what's next are you gonna take this bible verse literally too?

"And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire." - Matthew 18:9

What did Jesus mean when He said we must eat His flesh and drink His blood? | GotQuestions.org

Kinable · Apr 17, 2020

IceJad said:
Then we shouldn't make images of angels, the sun, stars or anything for that matter because God clearly states nothing in the heavens, the earth beneath and water under the earth. We shouldn't even have passion plays because we make actors to look like the Lord.

The question still remains how deep is the flat Earth? Is it finite or infinite?

My mistake on that part for forgetting what the bible verse means by "graven image" which means idol. We can make images of the earth, heaven and everything but not images to worship and that includes images of God.

As for your answer to how deep Earth is, it could be infinite for all I know. I stated in the OP that the dry land could span forever and maybe the waters too. For now only God knows the answer to that question, it's not something we need to worry about or need to know anyway.

46AND2 · Apr 17, 2020

Kinable said:
We see the sun as being close and we have proven that it is by the fact that there is a sun spot under the sun and the fact that sunlight isn't parallel.

How high is the sun? On a flat earth you should be able to calculate it using observation and very simple trigonometry.

Show me the math.

Kaon · Apr 17, 2020

coffee4u said:
Some people spend far too long worrying about the shape of the earth when really it's the state of the earth we should worry about.

If you don't know where you are in your plane of existence, then you are already handicapped.

The "shape" of the earth, and any deception thereof is a consequence of the state of the earth - which is a plane of existence. How else will you understand how far you are being exploited?

Kinable · Apr 17, 2020

46AND2 said:
How high is the sun? On a flat earth you should be able to calculate it using observation and very simple trigonometry.

Show me the math.

Distance to the Sun

46AND2 · Apr 17, 2020

Kinable said:
Distance to the Sun

On March 21-22 the sun is directly overhead at the equator and appears 45 degrees above the horizon at 45 degrees north and south latitude. As the angle of sun above the earth at the equator is 90 degrees while it is 45 degrees at 45 degrees north or south latitude, it follows that the angle at the sun between the vertical from the horizon and the line from the observers at 45 degrees north and south must also be 45 degrees. The result is two right angled triangles with legs of equal length. The distance between the equator and the points at 45 degrees north or south is approximately 3,000 miles. Ergo, the sun would be an equal distance above the equator

What the author fails to mention, is that if you take an additional measurement from 60 degrees north, you get an entirely different height for the sun. Leaving you with the rather dubious claim that the height of the sun over the earth is different depending on where you are on earth, simultaneously.

Kinable · Apr 17, 2020

46AND2 said:
What the author fails to mention, is that if you take an additional measurement from 60 degrees north, you get an entirely different height for the sun. Leaving you with the rather dubious claim that the height of the sun over the earth is different depending on where you are on earth, simultaneously.

The point is that the sun is obviously not 93 million miles away. You want to know the exact distance from the sun but aren't realizing that it's significantly closer than 93 million miles.

46AND2 · Apr 17, 2020

Kinable said:
The point is that the sun is obviously not 93 million miles away. You want to know the exact distance from the sun but aren't realizing that it's significantly closer than 93 million miles.

No. The point is the math doesn't work on the flat earth model...because the earth isn't flat. The globe model has no such issues. Its 93 million miles whether you are in Marseilles France, or Oslo Norway. The math works because the earth is a globe.

IceJad · Apr 17, 2020

Kinable said:
My mistake on that part for forgetting what the bible verse means by "graven image" which means idol. We can make images of the earth, heaven and everything but not images to worship and that includes images of God.

As for your answer to how deep Earth is, it could be infinite for all I know. I stated in the OP that the dry land could span forever and maybe the waters too. For now only God knows the answer to that question, it's not something we need to worry about or need to know anyway.

Graven can mean anything. What are idols? The Sun & the Moon can both be graven and not. Some culture worship Sun and Moon gods. Early Roman Christians uses the fish symbol as sign of their faith but there are culture where fish like gods are worshiped. Are fish graven if a Christian draw them or not? Medieval churches like to make statues of saints and also demons to adorn the building. Is it graven? Voodoo practitioner uses the image of Jesus as do the Catholic & Orthodox as rites. So is voodoo graven but not Catholic & Orthodox? To me the reason why when Jesus ascended to Heaven He promised us a guide the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit will help us understand what pleases and displeases God. For God is with us and in us.

Not every part of the Bible is literal and the Bible is the inspired Word of God written by fallible men who's limited vocabulary can't fully transcribe what they experience.

Science or rather more accurately people who pursue science (many of them Christians) have given us undeniable prove that the Earth is spherical. They have given the methodologies to confirm their findings. If given enough interest and of course money any Christians can validate for themselves. And there is no infinite abyss of the physical Earth. Now the burden of prove lies at the feet of the Flat Earthers to validate their stand. God has always asked that we who were gifted with talents (be it for science or arts) go multiply them not bury them in the sands. Parable of talents.

So now as it stands the Earth is about 6300KM deep to the core. In a flat Earth model how deep is the Earth and what is the methodology to confirm it?

tryphena rose · Apr 17, 2020

prodromos said:
I asked you this in post 342 which you have yet to answer.
In John 6, Jesus plainly states that we need to eat His flesh and drink His blood, otherwise we have no life in Him.

Are you consistent in how you interpret Scripture or do you claim there is another way to interpret what Christ plainly states?

There are figurative things in the bible, i never said that there weren't. But the thing is too, is that figures of speech are used to explain things. They don't just mean nothing because they are figurative. Yet, there are plenty of plain and non-figurative verses as well, such as when he speaks on the firmament in the first chapter in the first book. Now if you think He's being figurative about Himself explaining how he created the earth in the first chapter, then I won't have anything that could reach you anyways, and it would be a waste of time to try and debate you. But there are many more verses outside of the first chapter that has to deal with water above the heavens, foundations of earth, stillness of the earth, etc. etc. Things that are pretty plain and easy to see that He is talking about characteristics of the earth, unless you have a pre-held notion that you'd much rather be true.

And the reason that I did not answer you before is because I have been mainly answering and debating another in this forum, plus I felt that you're question was a bit absurd and thus I kind of breezed over it. Sorry if you've been waiting a while for me to answer your question.

Kinable · Apr 17, 2020

46AND2 said:
No. The point is the math doesn't work on the flat earth model...because the earth isn't flat. The globe model has no such issues. Its 93 million miles whether you are in Marseilles France, or Oslo Norway. The math works because the earth is a globe.

This is not possible if the sun is that far away, it has to be very close. If the sun is close then the Solar System model is either not true or extremely inaccurate. If the sun is close enough to make sunrays like this in the Big Bang model of the Universe then we would all be dead right now. This debunks the solar system/big bang theory model because we would either be fried or be dragged into the Sun's gravity by now.

main-qimg-d93f005be8d8548380ef061d09253f8d-c

46AND2 · Apr 17, 2020

Kinable said:
This is not possible if the sun is that far away, it has to be very close. If the sun is close then the Solar System model is either not true or extremely inaccurate. If the sun is close enough to make sunrays like this in the Big Bang model of the Universe then we would all be dead right now. This debunks the solar system/big bang theory model because we would either be fried or be dragged into the Sun's gravity by now.

Look man, even the article you posted said that the height of the sun is different depending on whether you assume a flat or spherical earth using the triangulation method. So how do we determine which one is right?

Weren't you the one who said science has to be repeatable?

Globe: repeatedly measures same distance.

Disc: different measurements for each latitude, with the lone exception of N/S complementary locations.

I'll go with the repeatable math over your misinterpretation every day of the week.

Kinable · Apr 17, 2020

IceJad said:
Graven can mean anything. What are idols? The Sun & the Moon can both be graven and not. Some culture worship Sun and Moon gods. Early Roman Christians uses the fish symbol as sign of their faith but there are culture where fish like gods are worshiped. Are fish graven if a Christian draw them or not? Medieval churches like to make statues of saints and also demons to adorn the building. Is it graven? Voodoo practitioner uses the image of Jesus as do the Catholic & Orthodox as rites. So is voodoo graven but not Catholic & Orthodox? To me the reason why when Jesus ascended to Heaven He promised us a guide the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit will help us understand what pleases and displeases God. For God is with us and in us.

Not every part of the Bible is literal and the Bible is the inspired Word of God written by fallible men who's limited vocabulary can't fully transcribe what they experience.

Science or rather more accurately people who pursue science (many of them Christians) have given us undeniable prove that the Earth is spherical. They have given the methodologies to confirm their findings. If given enough interest and of course money any Christians can validate for themselves. And there is no infinite abyss of the physical Earth. Now the burden of prove lies at the feet of the Flat Earthers to validate their stand. God has always asked that we who were gifted with talents (be it for science or arts) go multiply them not bury them in the sands. Parable of talents.

So now as it stands the Earth is about 6300KM deep to the core. In a flat Earth model how deep is the Earth and what is the methodology to confirm it?

Literally the next verse...

"Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;" - Exodus 20:5

And even the one before...

"Thou shalt have no other gods before me" - Exodus 20:3

It's obvious what God is trying to say here. Don't make an image of anything to worship, be it here on earth (a fish, golden calf, etc), Heavens above (Sun/Moon/Saturn gods), Earth below (Earth worship and/or Satan).

I have a feeling that those Christians who promote Globe earth are either not real Christians or they themselves are being deceived. Bible warned us against them. We're supposed to believe the scriptures and what the Bible says, and the Bible describes Flat Earth.

"For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. So it is no surprise if his servants, also, disguise themselves as servants of righteousness. Their end will correspond to their deeds." - 2 Corinthians 11:13-15

Earth is Flat

What is the Earth?

A rotating sphere in space orbiting the Sun

A flat plane of land under the waters God saw in the beginning

Daughter of the Most High

Word of Wisdom

Daughter of the Most High

Regular Member

Word of Wisdom

Senior Veteran

Regular Member

Word of Wisdom

Word of Wisdom

Forty six and two are just ahead of me...

Well-Known Member

Word of Wisdom

Forty six and two are just ahead of me...

Word of Wisdom

Forty six and two are just ahead of me...

Regular Member

Daughter of the Most High

Word of Wisdom

Forty six and two are just ahead of me...

Word of Wisdom

Similar threads