How to end the lockdowns?

ZNP · Apr 14, 2020

How to end virus lockdowns? Technology, tests, coordination
LORI HINNANT, FRANK JORDANS and CHRIS BLAKE
,
Associated Press•April 14, 2020

How to end virus lockdowns? Technology, tests, coordination

Governments battling a virus that has crossed borders with breathtaking swiftness pinned their hopes Tuesday on tests, technology and a coordinated approach to ease the tight social-distancing restrictions that have slowed the pandemic but strangled the global economy.

Issues:
1. Approximately 2 million confirmed cases worldwide.
2. Many regions of the Earth not equipped to test.
3. In the poorer regions that are not reporting high numbers of infection, is this simply because their health care system is not equipped to do that?
4. There is no way to eradicate this virus in the next 18 months. Therefore once you loosen social distancing rules you risk new flareups.
5. So then, how to end the lockdowns?

Dave L · Apr 14, 2020

ZNP said:
How to end virus lockdowns? Technology, tests, coordination
LORI HINNANT, FRANK JORDANS and CHRIS BLAKE
,
Associated Press•April 14, 2020

How to end virus lockdowns? Technology, tests, coordination

Governments battling a virus that has crossed borders with breathtaking swiftness pinned their hopes Tuesday on tests, technology and a coordinated approach to ease the tight social-distancing restrictions that have slowed the pandemic but strangled the global economy.

Issues:
1. Approximately 2 million confirmed cases worldwide.
2. Many regions of the Earth not equipped to test.
3. In the poorer regions that are not reporting high numbers of infection, is this simply because their health care system is not equipped to do that?
4. There is no way to eradicate this virus in the next 18 months. Therefore once you loosen social distancing rules you risk new flareups.
5. So then, how to end the lockdowns?

Mandatory face masks?

timewerx · Apr 14, 2020

Simple, an effective cure would end the lockdown

Shrewd Manager · Apr 14, 2020

People shaking off the delusion might help just a little.

Mountainmanbob · Apr 14, 2020

Seems containment is in the forecast.
Don't be a doomsdayer.
The world has survived through worse.
Much, much worse.

Is you cup half empty
or half full?

M

Ahermit · Apr 14, 2020

Follow the advise by health authorities. After all, they are the one's most efficient in knowing how to end the lock-downs. Those that can't accept this have other issues and agendas than the most important one _ the health of society.

Aussie Pete · Apr 14, 2020

ZNP said:
How to end virus lockdowns? Technology, tests, coordination
LORI HINNANT, FRANK JORDANS and CHRIS BLAKE
,
Associated Press•April 14, 2020

How to end virus lockdowns? Technology, tests, coordination

Governments battling a virus that has crossed borders with breathtaking swiftness pinned their hopes Tuesday on tests, technology and a coordinated approach to ease the tight social-distancing restrictions that have slowed the pandemic but strangled the global economy.

Issues:
1. Approximately 2 million confirmed cases worldwide.
Out of 7 billion people.
2. Many regions of the Earth not equipped to test.

3. In the poorer regions that are not reporting high numbers of infection, is this simply because their health care system is not equipped to do that?
Most likely
4. There is no way to eradicate this virus in the next 18 months. Therefore once you loosen social distancing rules you risk new flareups.
May not a problem once most of the population has been infected anyway.
5. So then, how to end the lockdowns?

It's a bit easier for Australia. Being a very large island has some advantages. Once the virus has ceased to afflict the population, we could go back to something like normal, but still with closed borders.

ZNP · Apr 14, 2020

timewerx said:
Simple, an effective cure would end the lockdown

That is 12-18 months away.

ZNP · Apr 14, 2020

Dave L said:
Mandatory face masks?

Face masks are problematic. True, if you are contagious they reduce your ability to spread the virus. But they have found the virus lives longer on a face mask than anywhere else, so it is very likely that wearing a face mask does not reduce your risk of being exposed.

ZNP · Apr 14, 2020

Aussie Pete said:
It's a bit easier for Australia. Being a very large island has some advantages. Once the virus has ceased to afflict the population, we could go back to something like normal, but still with closed borders.

I live near enough to JFK airport to see the airplanes coming in and there is a continuous stream. Hard to imagine any country being able to close their borders.

Dave L · Apr 14, 2020

ZNP said:
Face masks are problematic. True, if you are contagious they reduce your ability to spread the virus. But they have found the virus lives longer on a face mask than anywhere else, so it is very likely that wearing a face mask does not reduce your risk of being exposed.

I think it would cut the spread if worn only once and then tossed.

ZNP · Apr 14, 2020

Ahermit said:
Follow the advise by health authorities. After all, they are the one's most efficient in knowing how to end the lock-downs. Those that can't accept this have other issues and agendas than the most important one _ the health of society.

Some have done better than others. Taiwan has 6 dead so far, I would think we would follow their model (they have half the population of Spain which has 18,000 dead) and Taiwan has much closer ties with China, people traveling back and forth daily. Also Taiwan never went into lockdown.

Instead of "testing" for coronavirus they were using thermometers before there was a test (infrared -- cameras, etc). The beauty of this is that it works for any virus, and you can get a reading in seconds. If someone had a fever they were quarantined and tested. If it was Coronavirus everyone on the plane was quarantined. At the time it seemed extreme, but now in hindsight they paid pennies on the dollar compared to the US.

Why not allow businesses to reopen as long as they take your temperature at the door. If you don't have a fever you can come in.

Mountainmanbob · Apr 14, 2020

Aussie Pete said:
It's a bit easier for Australia
we could go back to something like normal, but still with closed borders.

Smart thinking Australia. To bad many here in the US believe in open borders. Even while dealing with the Coronavirus.

Stay safe over there.
M-Bob

ZNP · Apr 14, 2020

U.S.

Florida's Surgeon General said social distancing is 'the new normal' until there's a vaccine. He was then escorted out of the press conference.

cdavis@insider.com (Charles Davis)

Business InsiderApril 13, 2020, 8:44 PM EDT
Florida's Surgeon General said social distancing is 'the new normal' until there's a vaccine. He was then escorted out of the press conference.

Florida residents should get used to wearing masks in public and avoiding groups of 10 or more until a vaccine for the novel coronavirus is available, state Surgeon General Scott Rivkees said Monday.

An appointee of Republican Gov. Ron DeSantis, Rivkees was then led out of the press conference before answering any further questions, the Tampa Bay Times reported.

Before being escorted out by a spokesperson for the governor, Rivkees told Floridians that the status quo was unlikely to change anytime soon.

ZNP · Apr 14, 2020

Why Do Italians Test Positive After Symptoms Are Long Gone?

Barbie Latza Nadeau

The Daily BeastApril 14, 2020, 5:15 AM EDT

ROME—Italian newscaster Alessandro Politi was shocked when he tested positive for COVID-19 on March 11. He and other colleagues were swabbed out of an abundance of caution after a co-worker contracted the virus. The 30-year-old had a slight fever and a sore throat, but none of the chest tightness or other nightmarish symptoms so many have suffered.

Following the Italian Health Institute guidelines for releasing someone from self-isolation, Politi was tested again two weeks after his positive swab. But, fever-free and with no symptoms at all, he tested positive once more. The test was carried out a week later, 21 days after his diagnosis, and he still tested positive for the virus. Now, 30 days later, Politi has just tested positive again, calling into question just how long the novel coronavirus stays in some people’s systems and whether that might play a role in why, despite a month-long draconian lockdown, Italy just can’t seem to shake the virus.

Why Do Italians Test Positive After Symptoms Are Long Gone?

You can be contagious 1 month after no longer having symptoms. This is why this will not be eradicated any time soon.

ZNP · Apr 14, 2020

Neel Kashkari estimates 18 months of rolling shutdowns.

Kashkari Says U.S. May Face 18 Months of Rolling Shutdowns

Without an effective therapy or a vaccine for the novel coronavirus, the U.S. economy could face 18 months of rolling shutdowns as the outbreak recedes and flares up again, Federal Reserve Bank of Minneapolis President Neel Kashkari said.

nonaeroterraqueous · Apr 14, 2020

Ahermit said:
Follow the advise by health authorities. After all, they are the one's most efficient in knowing how to end the lock-downs. Those that can't accept this have other issues and agendas than the most important one _ the health of society.

Society gets to weigh different issues in order of importance. We have physical health, economic health and spiritual health. Physical health is good, but without economic health one wonders where the money will come to fund the hospitals. Over-emphasis on physical is self-defeating.

Then there's the spiritual health aspect that everyone, including churches, seems to think is of lowest importance. It makes me wonder why people are even in this forum.

ZNP · Apr 14, 2020

nonaeroterraqueous said:
Society gets to weigh different issues in order of importance. We have physical health, economic health and spiritual health. Physical health is good, but without economic health one wonders where the money will come to fund the hospitals. Over-emphasis on physical is self-defeating.

Then there's the spiritual health aspect that everyone, including churches, seems to think is of lowest importance. It makes me wonder why people are even in this forum.

Thank you for bring up mental health and spiritual health. You have to weigh all the things. We can all isolate and put a stop to this virus, but the cost to the economy, mental health and spiritual health should be factored in as well.

This is why I suggest using temperature. It isn't "foolproof" but it could certainly greatly reduce the risk of the spread of an epidemic, while at the same time greatly reducing the cost to the economy, mental health and spiritual health.

Douger · Apr 14, 2020

We just end it that's how. Tell everyone the restrictions are over. Some social distancing guidelines could be kept in place for the coming months, or just permanently (Covid-19 isn't the only infectious disease that's killing people).
National health care systems also needs a huge boost. What's the point of maintaining 10 carrier strike groups to sail the globe when an unexpected epidemic can kill tens of thousands simply due to lack of health care resources?
And last but not least, we must establish a national tracking system that every citizen can install on their phone, which will enable them to track the movments of Bill Gates and every other billionaire who has looked at this crisis as an opportunity to enact their dystopian fantasies on the masses.

ZNP · Apr 14, 2020

Douger said:
We just end it that's how. Tell everyone the restrictions are over. Some social distancing guidelines could be kept in place for the coming months, or just permanently (Covid-19 isn't the only infectious disease that's killing people).
National health care systems also needs a huge boost. What's the point of maintaining 10 carrier strike groups to sail the globe when an unexpected epidemic can kill tens of thousands simply due to lack of health care resources?
And last but not least, we must establish a national tracking system that every citizen can install on their phone, which will enable them to track the movments of Bill Gates and every other billionaire who has looked at this crisis as an opportunity to enact their dystopian fantasies on the masses.

If you do that the second wave will be far worse than the first. When it first hit NY there were only a thousand or so people infected when they shut down the city. You open it back up like that now and we may have 100 times as many people infected. One NBA game and we are Italy.

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