Will there be Bacon in the Kingdom to Come?

We should not expect YHWH to bless under the Gospel what He cursed under the Law.

Will there be Bacon in the Kingdom to Come?

I assume you are talking about the 1000yr period after Jesus returns?
If hogs and pigs are no longer around in the 1000yr period, then of course there will be no bacon.

But I would guess if those animals are still around, then only non-Jewish Gentiles would be allowed to eath pork products according to our dear brother Paul.
I am doing study on Paul and clean/unclean foods and especially the issue of pork.

Some verses I found concerning that:

Strong's Concordance with Hebrew and Greek Lexicon

1033. broma bro'-mah from the base of 977; food (literally or figuratively), especially (ceremonially) articles allowed or forbidden by the Jewish law:--meat, victuals.

I take this verse to mean if I invite friends that are Jewish or Muslim over for dinner or bbq, I will make sure that non-pork meat is available for them to eat.

Romans 14:
14 I have known and am persuaded in Lord Jesus that nothing unclean thru himself, except to the one accounting any being unclean to be, to that one being unclean.[Genesis 9:33]
15 and if through victuals/foods/<1033> thy brother is grieved, no more dost thou walk according to love; do not with thy victuals destroy that one for whom Christ died. 16 Let not then your good be evil spoken of, 17 for the Kingdom of God is not eating and drinking, but righteousness and peace and joy in the Holy Spirit;
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2907. kreas kreh'-as perhaps a primary word; (butcher's) meat:--flesh.

Romans 14:21 It is good neither to eat meat<2907> nor drink wine nor do anything by which your brother stumbles or is offended or is made weak.[fn]

1 Corinthians 8:13 wherefore, if victuals<1033> cause my brother to stumble, I may eat no meats<2907> -- to the age -- that my brother I may not cause to stumble.
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Commentaries on 1Corin 8:13......

1 Corinthians 8:13 Commentaries

EXPOSITORY (ENGLISH BIBLE)

Ellicott's Commentary for English Readers

(13) Wherefore.—He states his own solemn determination, arising from the considerations which have just been urged. If a matter of food cause a brother to fall in his Christian course, I will certainly never again eat any kind of flesh, lest I should be the cause of so making him to fall.

It is noticeable that St. Paul in discussing this question makes no reference whatever to the decision of the Council at Jerusalem (see Acts 15:29), that the Christians should abstain from “meats offered to idols, and from things strangled, and from blood.” Probably, the Apostle felt the importance of maintaining his own apostolic authority in a Church where it was questioned by some, and he felt that to base his instruction upon the decision of the Church at Jerusalem might have seemed to imply that he had obtained authority from them, and not directly from the Lord. It was also more in accordance with St. Paul’s usual style of instruction to base the smallest details of conduct upon that highest of all principles—our union as Christians with Christ. An appeal to the letter sent from Jerusalem would have been no step in the ascending argument, which reaches its great climax in the 11th and 12th verses, and which, in 1Corinthians 8:13, the Apostle enunciates as the guide of his own life.

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Council of Jerusalem | Description, History, & Significance

The ensuing apostolic conference (noted in Acts 15:2–35), led by St. Peter the Apostle and St. James, “the Lord’s brother,” decided the issue in favour of Paul and the Gentile Christians. From this time onward, Gentile Christians were not bound by the Levitical ceremonial regulations of the Jews, except for the provisions of the so-called apostolic decree: abstention “from what has been sacrificed to idols and from blood and from what is strangled and from fornication” (Acts 15:29). The Council of Jerusalem thus demonstrated the willingness of apostolic leaders to make compromises on certain secondary issues in order to maintain peace and unity in the church.

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According to these sites, Jews and Muslims are allowed to raise pigs but not eat them.

On Israel’s Only Jewish-Run Pig Farm, It’s The Swine That Bring Home the Bacon

Despite the institute’s success, raising and processing pig meat is the main purpose of the farm, as the 10,000-plus animals suggest. Most workers commute from Beersheba each morning. Jewish immigrants from Argentina and Russian immigrants with little Jewish background make up the largest proportion of the 50-something workers. On any given morning, the workers are spread out among the 15 or so indoor buildings, administering antibiotics, slaughtering and butchering, inseminating sows and moving pigs to the fattening rooms from their weaning rooms.

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Pig farms bloom in Muslim Morocco thanks to tourism

AGADIR, Morocco — Shunned by most Muslim countries where pork consumption is a religious taboo, pig farming is blooming in Morocco thanks to a growing tourist industry and pragmatic breeders like 39-year-old Said Samouk..............

“I’m a practising Muslim. I don’t eat pork and I don’t drink alcohol but it’s just a breeding operation like any other and no Imam has ever reprimanded me for it,” he said of raising pigs — whose consumption is prohibited in both Islam and Judaism.

Annual production is currently estimated at 270 tonnes of meat, bringing in some 12 million dirhams (1 million euros, 1.6 million dollars) in revenue.

The breeders include Jean Yves Yoel Chriquia, a 32-year-old Jew who owns the country’s main pork processing factory along with a farm of 1,000 pigs. Chriquia also buys pigs from Samouk and another local farmer at 22 dirhams a kilo.........................

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HARK! said:

How does YHWH define food?

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That is the point... God defined what is and is not food. He didn't create a catfish to be eaten by humans, He created it to be a vacuum cleaner. He created certain things for certain purposes and He does not change!

HARK! said:

Will there be Bacon in the Kingdom to Come?

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Will there be death in the Kingdom to come?

Dkh587 said:

God did not create pigs to be received with thanksgiving

Pigs were not sanctified and set apart by the word of God

when Paul wrote this, the “word of God” was the first 5 books of the Bible

Leviticus 11 lists which animals were sanctified by God, and pigs were not one of them.

Those which believe and know the truth = those who believe and know what the Law of Moses says... the law is the truth

Psalm 119:42
Thy righteousness is an everlasting righteousness, and thy law is the truth.

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“BUT THE [Holy] Spirit distinctly and expressly declares that in latter times some will turn away from the faith, giving attention to deluding and seducing spirits and doctrines that demons teach, Through the hypocrisy and pretensions of liars whose consciences are seared (cauterized), Who forbid people to marry and [teach them] to abstain from [certain kinds of] foods which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and have [an increasingly clear] knowledge of the truth. For everything God has created is good, and nothing is to be thrown away or refused if it is received with thanksgiving. For it is hallowed and consecrated by the Word of God and by prayer.” 1 Timothy 4:1–5 (AMP)

God showed Peter all foods were now approved.

“But he became very hungry, and wanted something to eat; and while the meal was being prepared a trance came over him, And he saw the sky opened and something like a great sheet lowered by the four corners, descending to the earth.” Acts 10:10–11 (AMP)

“It contained all kinds of quadrupeds and wild beasts and creeping things of the earth and birds of the air. And there came a voice to him, saying, Rise up, Peter, kill and eat. But Peter said, No, by no means, Lord; for I have never eaten anything that is common and unhallowed or [ceremonially] unclean.” Acts 10:12–14 (AMP)

“And the voice came to him again a second time, What God has cleansed and pronounced clean, do not you defile and profane by regarding and calling common and unhallowed or unclean. This occurred three times; then immediately the sheet was taken up to heaven.” Acts 10:15–16 (AMP)

HARK! said:

Three times Peter said NO WAY! When it was all over; he was still hungry. What did he do? Did he run right out and grab a Mc'Double Pork Burger Supreme? No! Peter was still trying to figure out what had just happened; when the Ruach told him that three men were looking for him.

This passage has nothing to do with bacon; and even if it did; Peter said NO!

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Where does it say he refused Christ's teaching?

HARK! said:

It doesn't. It's completely in line with Messiah's teaching:

(CLV) Lk 16:17
Yet it is easier for heaven and earth to pass by than for one serif of the law to fall.

Certainly Yahshua didn't preach obedience to the Torah during his entire ministry, even unto death; only to have his closest, hand picked students, ignore his father's word.

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So are you one of those Paul tells us to keep away from in 1 Timothy?

DamianWarS said:

Will there be death in the Kingdom to come?

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Isaiah Says yes, after a nice long life.

Isaiah 65:17-21

"For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth..."

"...for the child shall die a hundred years old"

Won't there be an entire "Lake of [BBQ]?"

Dkh587 said:

If you don’t listen to the schoolmaster, how in the world are you gonna listen to Christ?

The law of Moses, which is also the law of God, is for all of God’s children. What’s good for the goose is good for the gander.

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I guess you do not like the Apostle Pauls writing much!

Galatians 3:

9 So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.

10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.

12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.

13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

15 Brethren, I speak after the manner of men; Though it be but a man's covenant, yet if it be confirmed, no man disannulleth, or addeth thereto.

16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.

18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.

19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

20 Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.

21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.

22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.

23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.

24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

Romans 14 King James Version (KJV)
14 Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations.

2 For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs.

3 Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him.

4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.

You are free to abstain from any thing to eat you wish! But when you try to impose your conscience unto others as a rule of God- then you become a pharisee.

HARK! said:

(CLV) Ga 3:24
So that the law has become our escort to Christ, that we may be justified by faith.

Present tense!

When we come to Messiah; we have the faith in Messiah to follow his example.

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Well this CLV version is very very weak!

They added become which is not in the original manuscripts and escort is a lousy lousy translation of the word pedagogue!

Sorry but looking at this one verse- I could never recommend this bible.

Also "was" is ginomai and is parsed thusly:

Speech: Verb

Tense: Second Perfect

Voice: Active

Mood: Indicative

Person: 3rd Person

Number: Singular

Being the 2nd perfect it would be rendered in a past tense it is was once for all made to be a schoolmaster- UNTIL. That word until is very very very important!

Nope. Just Shake n' Bake.

HARK! said:

(CLV) Isa 66:15
For behold, Yahweh, iwith fire shall He come, And His chariots like a sweeping whirlwind, To bring back His anger with fury, And His rebuke with blazes of fire.

(CLV) Isa 66:16
For with fire Yahweh shall come to judge, And with His sword upon all flesh; And Yahweh's slain will be multitudinous.

(CLV) Isa 66:17
Those who sanctify themselves And who cleansed themselves for the gardens, going after one in their midst, Eating the flesh of swine and the abominable thing and the rodent, They shall be swept up together, averring is Yahweh;

Note: Poll refers to pork bacon.

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I have no idea and why does it matter? Whatever food we will have will be the best and the best for us.

Dkh587 said:

This was the topic of discussion:

Matthew 15:1-2


They were not discussing eating unclean animals. The context is eating without washing your hands.

God told the Israelites to not defile themselves by eating unclean animals:

Leviticus 11:43-44
eating unclean animals makes a person unclean.

Interestingly enough, “uncleanness” is a work of the flesh

Galatians 5:19


this would mean that eating unclean animals is a work of the flesh

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Well mixing the OT requirements on the nation of Israel to the Gentiles puts you in opposition to Paul and the council of Jerusalem

Acts 21:25
As touching the Gentiles which believe, we have written and concluded that they observe no such thing, save only that they keep themselves from things offered to idols, and from blood, and from strangled, and from fornication.

And strangled in its historic context means eating meat that was strangled to death and then cooked. For it was cooked i nits blood and not drained. Nothing about pork, or eels, or bugs or creepy things etc.

Why? Because jesus said that nothing that a person eats can defile them.

Also I guess you never learned what unclean or defiled in the OT meant. It was to be ceremonially defiled until evening. thus they could not participate in religious ceremonies etc.

We were originally created as vegetarian. Only the plants were given for food originally. Animals are described as having "nephesh chayah" or soulish life, whereas plants are not (which is why their sacrifice was acceptable whereas plant sacrifice was not). It was God's original design that plants would serve as food, not animals. Since the "wolf will lie down with the sheep" after death is eliminated, it stands to reason that we will return to vegetarianism since we won't need to eat to live. There will just be alot of really great fruit.

HARK! said:

YHWH didn't define swine as food.

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He "defined" all animals as food when he told Peter to “Rise, Peter; kill, and eat.”