Why should a woman be under someone's protection in issues regarding marriage?

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But you want to make it carte blanc for those who aren’t so fortunate. Blanket statements bind God, no one else.

I don't know why you assume like that about me. For unfortunate ones, 1 Corinthians 7:15 is given.

The believing brother or sister is not bound in such cases. God has called you to live in peace. 1 Corinthians 7:15
 
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I don't know why you assume like that about me. For unfortunate ones, 1 Corinthians 7:15 is given.

The believing brother or sister is not bound in such cases. God has called you to live in peace. 1 Corinthians 7:15
If your about peace why do you keep posting threads that suggest placing women under men instead of under God, when many here are called by God to speak? You want them to keep silent but God does not. You just set yourself at odds with the women on this forum who have for many years been God’s servants to mankind.

Women who trust their husbands to stand behind Christ have ever reason to stand behind them. But threads not about mutual submission are anti-biblical.
 
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I really don’t think you have any idea what the scripture says beyond a cursory reading.

Ok, I humble myself before you in humility, meekness, and a quiet spirit. Maybe you are more matured and experienced, so I need to heed to your wisdom and learn from you.

Can you please teach me what scriptures tell about submitting to husbands, both in case of a believing husband and an unbelieving husband.
 
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"It is the rebellion against proper authority that leads to trouble. Only when Christ submits to the will of the Father “becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross” (Philippians 2:8) are things made right again. When we function as we were intended to, life is harmonious. It is honoring when a woman seeks her father’s blessing over her dating and marriage decisions. It’s not always possible to get that blessing, but she should try. Study the life of Christ, the grown man who did nothing apart from the Father’s will, who said of himself, “I honor my Father”.

Proper authority is, as I said, the governor of the child. Christ is the child in comparison to the Father. We, as the church, are on the same ground as Jesus to the Father.

I understand that the format of the thread is supposed to be about an offshoot of the topic to be about young men honouring the elder men in going to them about the daughter and the daughter going to the father about the young men.

But please can we have more talk about what the Heavenly Father’s role in this is ....

The governor is comparable to law which is to be grown out of.
 
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But please can we have more talk about what the Heavenly Father’s role in this is ....

Yes, sure. Please tell me heavenly Father's roles in this and also please teach me what scriptures tell about submitting to husbands, both in case of a believing husband and an unbelieving husband as it is given in and Ephesians 5:22-33 and 1 Peter 3:1. Thank you.
 
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Yes, sure. Please tell me heavenly Father's roles in this and also please teach me what scriptures tell about submitting to husbands, both in case of a believing husband and an unbelieving husband as it is given in and Ephesians 5:22-33 and 1 Peter 3:1. Thank you.
I would have to tell you to grow up if that were to be the request.
 
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I would have to tell you to grow up if that were to be the request.

Sure, so could you please teach me so i can grow up. Thank you.

Please tell me heavenly Father's roles in this and also please teach me what scriptures tell about submitting to husbands, both in case of a believing husband and an unbelieving husband as it is given in and Ephesians 5:22-33 and 1 Peter 3:1. Thank you.
 
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Sure, so could you please teach me so i can grow up. Thank you.

Please tell me heavenly Father's roles in this and also please teach me what scriptures tell about submitting to husbands, both in case of a believing husband and an unbelieving husband as it is given in and Ephesians 5:22-33 and 1 Peter 3:1. Thank you.
That’s something only God can show you when you seek Him in sincerity. Why? Because first God cannot be mocked. And secondly, Because you have not shown one bit of interest in anything I have said so far. Go back over the thread and think about it.
 
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That’s something only God can show you when you seek Him in sincerity. Why? Because first God cannot be mocked. And secondly, Because you have not shown one bit of interest in anything I have said so far. Go back over the thread and think about it.

Thank you. I did went through you post but i did not understand or find your thoughts about submitting to husbands as given in Ephesians 5:22-33 and 1 Peter 3:1.
 
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Thank you. I did went through you post but i did not understand or find your thoughts about submitting to husbands as given in Ephesians 5:22-33 and 1 Peter 3:1.
The mystery is great concerning Christ and the church. As I said it remains so because the leaders choose hierarchy over servantship.
It seems very odd that you are placing yourself in the position of a teacher as a spiritual person that has matured is supposed to but then contradict that maturity by placing yourself as a person not yet moved beyond the elementary teachings.
 
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The mystery is great concerning Christ and the church. As I said it remains so because the leaders choose hierarchy over servantship.
It seems very odd that you are placing yourself in the position of a teacher as a spiritual person that has matured is supposed to but then contradict that maturity by placing yourself as a person not yet moved beyond the elementary teachings.

Thank you. You are completely assuming about me and have no idea about my spiritual walk. I've asked many times to share your thoughts about submitting to husbands as given in Ephesians 5:22 and 1 Peter 3:1, yet you did not say anything about how to submit. All i get from you is that its just a pattern and a mystery that is not a reality. It seems to me that you are totally against the idea of Ephesians 5:22 and 1 Peter 3:1.
 
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What struck me about the linked article (Why should a woman be under someone's protection in issues regarding marriage?) is how gendered the parent-child relationship is, in the author's eyes.

The article comes from Focus on the Family, so they're going to have a view of gender hierarchy in marriage that I don't share, and we'll just agree to disagree on that.

But the article is looking at parent-child relationships, not husband-wife relationships, so the "submit to your husband" idea doesn't apply here. And yet the article still emphasizes a daughter submitting to her father, and a father talking to the daughter's male suitor. Why is any of this gendered? If parental counsel and/or authority is important, why don't we have the picture of sons and daughters alike taking advice from both of their parents?
 
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But the article is looking at parent-child relationships, not husband-wife relationships, so the "submit to your husband" idea doesn't apply here.

Yes. That's right.

Why is any of this gendered? If parental counsel and/or authority is important, why don't we have the picture of sons and daughters alike taking advice from both of their parents?

The article is talking more on the importance of daughter being protected by her father. You are right in that both sons and daughters alike taking advice.
 
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The article is talking more on the importance of daughter being protected by her father. You are right in that both sons and daughters alike taking advice.

I'd be more comfortable if the article was talking about the importance of sons and daughters being protected by mothers and fathers. The wording of the article suggested that daughters (in particular) are under the protection of fathers (in particular) -- that there's something important about the daughter being female and the father being male. A better discussion would remove gender from the conversation, and talk about the protection that both parents can give to all their children, of all genders.

But as long as we agree that the author should have asked "Why should a person be under someone's protection in issues regarding marriage?", that can be a productive conversation about parents' roles in advising their adult children.
 
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The submission between The Father and Son in my OP is talking about children submitting to their earthly father's. No where did i say this is referring to husband and wife.
So what about a professional Christian woman (lawyer, doctor) whose parents are deceased; can't she be trusted to make her own decisions before the Lord about whom she marries?

This is the sort of question that believers in the West would ask.
 
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While I agree with your premise, in general, it's predicated on having a good father to help guide you. If you don't have that in your life, you can still look to your heavenly Father to guide you into finding a good spouse.

So what about a professional Christian woman (lawyer, doctor) whose parents are deceased; can't she be trusted to make her own decisions before the Lord about whom she marries?

This is the sort of question that believers in the West would ask.

:wave: Thanks for asking. The article also tells: "The danger in cutting your parents (or where that’s not an option, pastor or Christian mentor) out of the dating/courtship decision making process is that you cut yourself off from help in choosing wisely."
 
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It's not a choice. God asked children to be submissive to parents and wives to be submissive to their husbands.
This simple truth has been destroyed by misunderstanding and the enemy's corruption of it. Also, by sinful men that abused it.

The relationship of the wife and husband is supposed to be like the Christian to Christ.

So, as a wife, ask yourself "would I treat Christ that way" "would any Christian treat Christ that way".

Then, as a husband.. remember that Christ came to serve.. eventually.. He died for His Bride.. the church.

So, abusive men who want control.. ask yourself... "would Christ treat a woman that way"? "Would Christ treat any human that way"?

The position as head of a house is not taken. The woman must request it.. Just like you request Christ to take over your life.

Christ wants what is best for the church. Men are to want what is best for their wives.
Women, who have a man like this, will realize that he will make mistakes but is always doing what he thinks is best.

A woman that demands what she is biblically supposed to have.. will only get it begrudgingly. It will then not be out of love, but out of duty.
Men who demand what is right from a biblical woman.. will also not get it out of love.. but begrudgingly and with resentment.

Marriage was supposed to be a pretty simple and natural relationship. In years gone by there were arranged marriages that lasted half of a century. Divorce was very rare. That was "arranged" marriages.

Now.. men and women meet, fall in love, choose each other.. and cannot last 7 years. Not even Christians.
 
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So what about a professional Christian woman (lawyer, doctor) whose parents are deceased; can't she be trusted to make her own decisions before the Lord about whom she marries?

This is the sort of question that believers in the West would ask.

Probably not. Man or woman in that situation should get his or her peers to help at minimum.

Seeing a Christian marriage counselor together, for probing into their compatibility, might be an even better option.
 
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