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Is it possible you hate God too? If Calvin was right about sin and grace?
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Did God send this virus into the world
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“But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,” Galatians 5:22 (KJV 1900)
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Sorry Dave, but your views are so different than mine.. and different from what I read and am taught and understand to be the accepted theological truths of the scriptures.
God Bless.
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We serve two different Christs. Two different Christianities. Two different Churches.
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Nope,
We have different views on the one and only Christ. This means only one Christianity and one church.
Different views on each.
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There are false Christs. Jesus is the truth. If we create a false definition of him, we create an idol.
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And how do we get that fruit? Read the rest of the chapter. It's not irresistible. It takes submitting to the spirit. You can resist the spirit.
"You were running a good race. Who cut in on you to keep you from obeying the truth? 8 That kind of persuasion does not come from the one who calls you."
You can increase your faith by reliance on God, or you can refuse to obey and weaken your faith.
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In the new birth, we become a new creature. If God changes a cat into a dog. The dog cannot change itself back into a cat.... so to speak.
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Not if you experience Christ in your heart. It's only those who have never experienced him as a continuous presence that play with such beliefs.
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Nowhere does scripture say this.
"Now the Spirit expressly says that in later times some will depart from the faith by devoting themselves to deceitful spirits and teachings of demons,"
1Timothy 4:1
Now keep in mind that in your theology, no one can play with faith, they are either irresistibly given it, or they are passed by.
And you can't depart from something you never had.
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In order to know if something that we see as evil can be thought that God uses it for His good purpose.. we have to know what that good purpose is.
What good is there in something that is evil?
It says in James that people shouldn't say whenever they are tested, that they are tested of God for He is not evil nor does He test anyone with evil.
Whether a person gets a cold or ordinary flu (although there are statistics that people have died from the common flu)..
or if there's a epidemic or pandemic virus-flu.. such is never sent by God. However, God allows it in the case of those who don't resist it in Jesus name. (see 1 Corinthians 10:13; James 4:7) With every test, God always makes a way of escape.. to those who submit unto God and resist the devil.
That.. is God's good purpose whenever there is evil.
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I think the word the Bible uses instead of havoc is calamity.
Isa 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create calamity: I the LORD do all these things.
Amo 3:6 Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it?
Why would God allow Satan to attack Job? It results in the growth and perfection of Job's faith.
Job 2:10 But he said unto her, Thou speakest as one of the foolish women speaketh. What? shall we receive good at the hand of God, and shall we not receive evil? In all this did not Job sin with his lips.
Some argue that just because evil takes place doesn’t mean God gave his approval.
Job 1:10 Hast not thou made an hedge about him, and about his house, and about all that he hath on every side? thou hast blessed the work of his hands, and his substance is increased in the land.
Job 1:11 But put forth thine hand now, and touch all that he hath, and he will curse thee to thy face.
Job 1:12 And the LORD said unto Satan, Behold, all that he hath is in thy power; only upon himself put not forth thine hand. So Satan went forth from the presence of the LORD.
Some argue this is natural. God repudiates that. He is God, nothing happens without His command.
Who is he that saith, and it cometh to pass, when the Lord commandeth it not? Lamentations 3:37
There are specific examples in History that show God uses these things to shame those who are proud and to reveal His glory.
14 For I will at this time send all my plagues upon thine heart, and upon thy servants, and upon thy people; that thou mayest know that there is none like me in all the earth.
15 For now I will stretch out my hand, that I may smite thee and thy people with pestilence; and thou shalt be cut off from the earth.
16 And in very deed for this cause have I raised thee up, for to shew in thee my power; and that my name may be declared throughout all the earth. Exodus 9:14-16
Some argue that a loving God wouldn't do this. God disagrees.
6 And I will smite the inhabitants of this city, both man and beast: they shall die of a great pestilence. Jeremiah 21:6
The proper response to a pandemic is to humbler yourself before God. Blaming others is not humbling yourself.
13 If I shut up heaven that there be no rain, or if I command the locusts to devour the land, or if I send pestilence among my people;
14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land. 2Chronicles
Malachi 2:2 If ye will not hear, and if ye will not lay it to heart, to give glory unto my name, saith Jehovah of hosts, then will I send the curse upon you, and I will curse your blessings; yea, I have cursed them already, because ye do not lay it to heart.
Yes, God made a righteous man to be sin
21 Him who knew no sin he made to be sin on our behalf; that we might become the righteousness of God in him.
One effect of this pandemic is a collapse in global trade, the stock market and widespread unemployment.
Isaiah 23:8 Who hath purposed this against Tyre, the bestower of crowns, whose merchants are princes, whose traffickers are the honorable of the earth? 9 Jehovah of hosts hath purposed it, to stain the pride of all glory, to bring into contempt all the honorable of the earth.
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In the New Birth, the Spirit bears witness with our spirit. That is why we believe.
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You are reading the heresy of free will into it. You'll agree with me once you overcome this.
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