Which day is the sabbath saturday or sunday?

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Have a friend that told me pick a day for the Sabbath he was Catholic. Have another friend that is a member of the Seventh day Adventist church told me the Sabbath is Saturday and not Sunday because the Catholic church had changed the day.

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Have a friend that told me pick a day for the Sabbath he was Catholic. Have another friend that is a member of the Seventh day Adventist church told me the Sabbath is Saturday and not Sunday because the Catholic church had changed the day.

Thanks, John
The biblical Sabbath day is the 7th day. Genesis 2:1-3
 
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Have a friend that told me pick a day for the Sabbath he was Catholic. Have another friend that is a member of the Seventh day Adventist church told me the Sabbath is Saturday and not Sunday because the Catholic church had changed the day.

Thanks, John
Jesus is the Sabbath day now. The day of rest.

Matthew 11:28-30
Come to me, all who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you, and learn from me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.”

Mark 6:31
And he said to them, “Come away by yourselves to a desolate place and rest a while.” For many were coming and going, and they had no leisure even to eat.

Exodus 33:14
And he said, “My presence will go with you, and I will give you rest.”
 
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Have a friend that told me pick a day for the Sabbath he was Catholic. Have another friend that is a member of the Seventh day Adventist church told me the Sabbath is Saturday and not Sunday because the Catholic church had changed the day.

Thanks, John

Our current calendar says Saturday but I doubt Adam started keeping track of the days as we do. I don't think it matters what day is the true seventh day.
 
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Have a friend that told me pick a day for the Sabbath he was Catholic. Have another friend that is a member of the Seventh day Adventist church told me the Sabbath is Saturday and not Sunday because the Catholic church had changed the day.

Christians were meeting on Sunday way before the Catholic church came into being. Paul, the former Pharisee, had this to say:
Colossians 2, 16 & 17
Therefore let no one judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a festival, a New Moon, or a Sabbath. These are a shadow of the things to come, but the body that casts it belongs to Christ.…
 
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Have a friend that told me pick a day for the Sabbath he was Catholic. Have another friend that is a member of the Seventh day Adventist church told me the Sabbath is Saturday and not Sunday because the Catholic church had changed the day.

The Sabbath, as it was established for the ancient Israelites, was based on a lunar calendar, when each week was a quarter of a lunar cycle. That put the end of each week about seven days away from the previous one, and that's when the Sabbath days were observed. Because full lunar cycles aren't quite divisible by seven, an adjustment was made every month at the New Moon (like how we do leap days). That's why, in the Old Testament, you have Sabbaths that always land on the same day of the month, every year, yet still manage to land on the seventh day, a feat which would be impossible by our calendar.

The lunar calendar wasn't replaced until sometime during the Roman Empire, presumably by Julius Caesar, the namesake of the Julian Calendar. Weeks were nailed down to strict seven day periods, and the phases of the moon were ignored. For a Jew living in a gentile world, it would have been hard to follow a lunar calendar while the rest of the world is following a solar calendar, so adherence to the new calendar was an easy compromise. At least it was seven days long.

Seventh Day Adventists, years later, read the verses in the Bible about how imperative it was to honor the Sabbath on the seventh day, and while they were quick to recognize that the Christians weren't obeying it on the seventh, they were too quick to assume that the modern Jew was still honoring the Sabbath according to the proper time. As far as I know, no one honors the Sabbath on the day for which it was ordained. Hence, when our SDA friends claim the worst for those who honor the wrong day they condemn themselves.

That leaves us with the question, "When is the Sabbath now." Either God would allow us to pick any day and observe it as Sabbath every seven days, or God still insists that we honor it at quarter phases of the moon. Either no one is honoring the Sabbath, or else it doesn't matter when people honor the Sabbath. You decide.
 
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Our current calendar says Saturday but I doubt Adam started keeping track of the days as we do. I don't think it matters what day is the true seventh day.

It mattered enough to YHVH that it says He made holy THAT day in Genesis
 
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Have a friend that told me pick a day for the Sabbath he was Catholic. Have another friend that is a member of the Seventh day Adventist church told me the Sabbath is Saturday and not Sunday because the Catholic church had changed the day.

Thanks, John
The Catholic Church did not change the day of the Sabbath. That claim is simply false.

What was changed was the principle day of worship, and that is based upon the clear testimony of the Bible, the New Testament, which almost every Christian denomination says is the word or God, divine revelation.

The early Christians at first continued to attend synagogue in the Jewish fashion, but being unwelcome there, they then formed their own assemblies. The way they conducted things in them we know from various verses in the New Testament, this matter included..
 
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The Sabbath, as it was established for the ancient Israelites, was based on a lunar calendar, when each week was a quarter of a lunar cycle. That put the end of each week about seven days away from the previous one, and that's when the Sabbath days were observed. Because full lunar cycles aren't quite divisible by seven, an adjustment was made every month at the New Moon (like how we do leap days). That's why, in the Old Testament, you have Sabbaths that always land on the same day of the month, every year, yet still manage to land on the seventh day, a feat which would be impossible by our calendar.

The lunar calendar wasn't replaced until sometime during the Roman Empire, presumably by Julius Caesar, the namesake of the Julian Calendar. Weeks were nailed down to strict seven day periods, and the phases of the moon were ignored. For a Jew living in a gentile world, it would have been hard to follow a lunar calendar while the rest of the world is following a solar calendar, so adherence to the new calendar was an easy compromise. At least it was seven days long.

That leaves us with the question, "When is the Sabbath now." Either God would allow us to pick any day and observe it as Sabbath every seven days, or God still insists that we honor it at quarter phases of the moon. Either no one is honoring the Sabbath, or else it doesn't matter when people honor the Sabbath. You decide.

Not true at all. The weekly Sabbath was NEVER on anything other than a continuous 7 day cycle. Rosh Kodesh and other Chagim were lunar. Stop spreading myths...
 
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Have a friend that told me pick a day for the Sabbath he was Catholic. Have another friend that is a member of the Seventh day Adventist church told me the Sabbath is Saturday and not Sunday because the Catholic church had changed the day.

Thanks, John

The Israelites received a double portion of manna for the 7th day for 40 years in the wilderness, so they knew on which day God rested, they have been keeping it ever since, and the period of time that they have been keeping corresponds to between Friday at sundown to Saturday at sundown. I see no indication that God permitted to pick whatever day they wanted as the Sabbath, but rather they kept it together in unity as a community. People have certainly tried to change the day, but not one of them has had the authority to countermand God.
 
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Exodus 31
12 YAHWEH said to Moshe, 13 Tell the people of Isra’el, ‘You are to observe my Shabbats; for this is a sign between me and you through all your generations; so that you will know that I am YAHWEH, who sets you apart for me. 17 It is a sign between me and the people of Isra’el forever; for in six days ADONAI made heaven and earth, but on the seventh day he stopped working and rested.’

(CLV) Ezk 20:12
And I also gave My sabbaths to them to become a sign between Me and them, to make known that it is I, Yahweh, Who hallows them.

(CLV) Ex 31:16
Hence the sons of Israel will keep the sabbath so as to make the sabbath an eonian covenant throughout their generations.

(CLV) Hb 4:8
For if Joshua causes them to stop, He would not have spoken concerning another day after these things.

(CLV) Hb 4:9
Consequently a sabbatism is left for the people of God.

(CLV) Hb 4:10
For he who is entering into His stopping, he also stops from his works even as God from His own.

(CLV) Hb 4:11
We should be endeavoring, then, to be entering into that stopping, lest anyone should be falling into the same example of stubbornness.

(CLV) Num 15:16
One law and one custom, it shall come to be for you and for the sojourner sojourning with you.

(CLV) Num 15:15
As for the assembly, there shall be one statute for you and for the sojourner sojourning with you. It shall be an eonian statute throughout your generations. Like you so shall the sojourner be before Yahweh.

(CLV) Mt 15:24
Now He [Yahshua], answering, said, "I was not commissioned except for the lost sheep of the house of Israel."
 
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Have a friend that told me pick a day for the Sabbath he was Catholic. Have another friend that is a member of the Seventh day Adventist church told me the Sabbath is Saturday and not Sunday because the Catholic church had changed the day.

Thanks, John
The Sabbath is the seventh day of the week.

The Christian day of worship, since the time of the apostles, is the first day of the week which the Church has historically called the Lord's Day.

Referring to the Lord's Day as "the Sabbath" is a largely modern misconception that easily causes confusion.

The Sabbath as a day of rest for the Jews was given through the covenant God made with the Jews at Mt. Horeb in Sinai. It wasn't given as a weekly day of worship, but as a day of rest. Later on Jews began to assemble together for worship in places of assembly (synagogues) on the Sabbath, a tradition which appears to have begun during or sometime after the Babylonian Captivity.

Christians do not have a Sabbath, except a spiritual Sabbath--Jesus Christ Himself. The gathering for worship on the first day of the week was not a replacement for the Sabbath or a new Sabbath; but was probably originally for very practical reasons:

The original Christians were Jews and continued to observe Jewish practices, they continued to worship at the Temple in Jerusalem, they met with other Jews for worship at the synagogue, etc. They didn't see a reason to stop doing any of this because they didn't stop being Jews after Jesus rose from the dead. Additionally, they also met together in homes on a regular bases, for explicitly Christian purposes, such as celebrating the Eucharist. It would make sense that they would do this on the day following the Sabbath, the first day of the week, and the significance of that day was already importance since Christ rose from the dead on the first day of the week.

As Gentiles were added to the Church, Christian communities became increasingly mixed with both Jews and Gentiles. Gentiles couldn't go to the synagogue obviously, but they were part of the post-Sabbath fellowship. With the early Jewish Christians increasingly becoming unwelcome in the synagogues, and with a growing Gentile Christian population, it wouldn't have taken long until the entirety of Christian communal worship happened entirely independent of the synagogue, on the first day of the week. Thus the familiar liturgy of the synagogue became the Christian Liturgy of the Word, and the explicitly Christian worship (e.g. the Eucharist) became the Christian Liturgy of the Altar. These two parts being the traditional, historical Liturgy of the Christian Church. The Liturgy of the Word is marked by prayers, the singing of hymns, Scripture readings, and instruction in the form of a sermon or homily; the Liturgy of the Altar is most obviously marked by the celebration of the Eucharist. And this is what Christian worship has looked like since.

We gather on the first day of the week, historically, because this is the day Christians have always gathered for worship. It's not the Sabbath, it's the Lord's Day. Christians are under no obligation to observe the Jewish Sabbath.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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