Virgins as Lords share?

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Christianity has no mandate for human sacrifice.

Your title includes the Lord.

You are wrong on both counts.
So why is it relevant that the Romans executed him for sedition and claiming to be the Jewish king?
 
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So what did the Romans execute him for if it wasn't for sedition and claiming to be the Jewish king as described in Matt 27:37? Or don't you believe what the bible says?

11 Meanwhile Jesus stood before the governor, who questioned Him: “Are You the King of the Jews?”

“You have said so,” Jesus replied. 12 And when He was accused by the chief priests and elders, He gave no answer. 13 Then Pilate asked Him, “Do You not hear how many charges they are bringing against You?” 14 But Jesus gave no answer, not even to a single charge, much to the governor’s amazement. Mark 15:6-11; Luke 23:13-25)

15 Now it was the governor’s custom at the feast to release to the crowd a prisoner of their choosing. 16 At that time they were holding a notorious prisoner named Barabbas. 17 So when the crowd had assembled, Pilate asked them, “Which one do you want me to release to you: Barabbas, or Jesus who is called Christ?” 18 For he knew it was out of envy that they had handed Jesus over to him.19 While Pilate was sitting on the judgment seat, his wife sent him this message: “Have nothing to do with that innocent man, for I have suffered terribly in a dream today because of Him.”20 But the chief priests and elders persuaded the crowds to ask for Barabbas and to have Jesus put to death.21 “Which of the two do you want me to release to you?” asked the governor.

“Barabbas,” they replied.22 “What then should I do with Jesus who is called Christ?” Pilate asked.

They all answered, “Crucify Him!”23 “Why?” asked Pilate. “What evil has He done?”

But they shouted all the louder, “Crucify Him!” Mark 15:12-15)

24 When Pilate saw that he was accomplishing nothing, but that instead a riot was breaking out, he took water and washed his hands before the crowd. “I am innocent of this man’s blood, ” he said. “You bear the responsibility.”25 All the people answered, “His blood be on us and on our children!”26 So Pilate released Barabbas to them. But he had Jesus flogged, and handed Him over to be crucified.

Pilate deemed him innocent.

Jesus made no claim to be King of the Jews
 
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11 Meanwhile Jesus stood before the governor, who questioned Him: “Are You the King of the Jews?”

“You have said so,” Jesus replied. 12 And when He was accused by the chief priests and elders, He gave no answer. 13 Then Pilate asked Him, “Do You not hear how many charges they are bringing against You?” 14 But Jesus gave no answer, not even to a single charge, much to the governor’s amazement. Mark 15:6-11; Luke 23:13-25)

15 Now it was the governor’s custom at the feast to release to the crowd a prisoner of their choosing. 16 At that time they were holding a notorious prisoner named Barabbas. 17 So when the crowd had assembled, Pilate asked them, “Which one do you want me to release to you: Barabbas, or Jesus who is called Christ?” 18 For he knew it was out of envy that they had handed Jesus over to him.19 While Pilate was sitting on the judgment seat, his wife sent him this message: “Have nothing to do with that innocent man, for I have suffered terribly in a dream today because of Him.”20 But the chief priests and elders persuaded the crowds to ask for Barabbas and to have Jesus put to death.21 “Which of the two do you want me to release to you?” asked the governor.

“Barabbas,” they replied.22 “What then should I do with Jesus who is called Christ?” Pilate asked.

They all answered, “Crucify Him!”23 “Why?” asked Pilate. “What evil has He done?”

But they shouted all the louder, “Crucify Him!” Mark 15:12-15)

24 When Pilate saw that he was accomplishing nothing, but that instead a riot was breaking out, he took water and washed his hands before the crowd. “I am innocent of this man’s blood, ” he said. “You bear the responsibility.”25 All the people answered, “His blood be on us and on our children!”26 So Pilate released Barabbas to them. But he had Jesus flogged, and handed Him over to be crucified.

Pilate deemed him innocent.

Jesus made no claim to be King of the Jews
So why was he executed if it wasn't for sedition and as the "King of the Jews" as inscribed on his execution scaffold (John 19:19 Luke 23:38 Mark 15:36 Matt 27:37)?
 
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So is that a yes? Your religion is based on human sacrifice, right?

If you are talking about only human, then answer is no.

The woman discussed in the OP are only human. Priest cannot sacrifice that which the lord did not ask for. Whatever is given to priest is used according to its purpose as the lord commanded. Not everything given to priest is to offer up as a sacrifice but to dedicate and keep for doing Lord’s work in the temple.

Our faith is based on the sacrifice of The Son of God alone, not of just ‘a human’ or ‘any human’.
 
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Verse 18... Pilot gave into the envy of the Jews.
So why were the Jews envious?

Jesus never claimed that title...
So why did the Romans inscribe "King of the Jews" on his execution scaffold? And is that why the biblical writers linked him to King David who was his god's begotten son (Psalm 2:7) through the genealogies for his adoptive father (Matt 1) and his biological father (Luke 3)?
 
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If you are talking about only human, then answer is no.

Jesus is not only human but God in flesh. His sacrifice alone, not of ‘a human’ or ‘any human’.
Do you have any evidence to support your hypothesis, given that he didn't claim to be a god or to be without sin (Mark 10:18), but only claimed to be a prophet, even though his own family (including his mother and her husband) didn't believe him (Matt 13:55-58)? And besides, he unsuccessfully appealed for help from his god when he was being executed for sedition and as the "King of the Jews", which is hardly a god-like trait (Matt 27:46).

And where do the gospels say that he was sacrificed by being executed for sedition and for being the "King of the Jews"?
 
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If you are talking about only human, then answer is no.

The woman discussed in the OP are only human. Priest cannot sacrifice that which the lord did not ask for. Whatever is given to priest is used according to its purpose as the lord commanded. Not everything given to priest is to offer up as a sacrifice but to dedicate and keep for doing Lord’s work in the temple.

Our faith is based on the sacrifice of The Son of God alone, not of just ‘a human’ or ‘any human’.

It seems like you're arguing that the virgins were not sacrificed because you don't like the idea that it might've happened.
 
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You guys are silly. Pretending it says something else like we wouldn't look it up.

They weren't given to the Lord's service or given to the Levites. It says they were given to Eleazar the priest as the Lord's share. You give something to God by giving it to a priest who then slashes its throat and spreads its flaming guts out on the altar of sacrifice. God loves the smell of burning flesh. Everyone knows that!

If any one I being silly it is you.
Please supply chapter and verse where humans were sacrificed in Jewish worship?
 
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Were the cattle also celibate servants to the priests? Because the virgins were listed in the same breath.

We atheists have seen Christians dance around this one for years. It still tickles me that you folks refuse to accept the obvious here despite the fact that your entire religion is founded upon human sacrifice.
But that'd mean admitting they're more moral than their God in terms of recognizing such things as abhorrent and not able to remotely be justified in any sense because it would mean you think human dignity and value is contextual rather than effectively innate
 
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I've never heard of a moral god. Every last one of them is irredeemably evil. In any case, I see you have no actual substance to your objection. You just... "don't like" what I said.

Well, I just... "don't like" paying my bills. Maybe I'll try ignoring reality as well. I'll let you know if it works out for me as well as it apparently does for you.
Like Kent Hovind didn't like paying his taxes
 
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Always read the whole passage, a share of the plunder including the girls was given to the Levites who had not been in battle. See v 29 and 401.
So the Israelites can just effectively enslave people after winning a battle? And this is supposed to be a moral people that takes prisoners of war for their own purposes?
 
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We as Christians are tickled at the Atheists in general, who constantly try to find fault with a God that doesn't even exist in their mind.

I'm thinking the truth of the matter is, since they try so hard to reinforce their non belief by trying to convince others they should go their way and not believe, in reality they do, in fact, believe. Still, they chose to "ignore" God, and attempt to make him go away so the Hell that scares them so much will also go away.

Try as they will, God is going nowhere.
It's not a matter of convincing one not to believe or to believe, that's missing the point: beliefs or nonbelief are not chosen, the evidence is seen as convincing or not, otherwise you're suggesting cognitive dissonance is just innate to everyone because we could believe something even if we have strong evidence it isn't true.
 
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If any one I being silly it is you.
Please supply chapter and verse where humans were sacrificed in Jewish worship?
Way to strawman his position, pretty sure he didn't claim something that specific, he's likely referring to the scapegoating that is then applied to a fully human sacrifice to God: you know, Jesus, as you believe in him?
 
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Christianity has no mandate for human sacrifice.

Your title includes the Lord.

You are wrong on both counts.
But is Jesus not fully human and fully God and was also sacrificed effectively? Or are we going to hedge and say he wasn't sacrificed in the sense of it being against his will and ignore that a human's death was used as a payment to a deity?
 
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Verse 18... Pilot gave into the envy of the Jews.

Jesus never claimed that title...
So it's almost like Christians are insinuating and utilizing eisegesis to suggest Jesus claimed he was God in the flesh rather than being more metaphorical in the exchanges he had with people who asked him who he was, including the priest Caiaphas (in that scene I remember mostly from an animated adaptation I need to rewatch for nostalgia, where he tears his robes and screams, "Blasphemy!")
 
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