LDS Brigham Young and His Blood Atonement

Jamesone5 · Apr 9, 2020

This is really simple

1 Timothy 3:16
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifested in the flesh, Justified in the Spirit, Seen by angels, Preached among the Gentiles, Believed on in the world, Received up in glory.

GOD WAS Manifested in the flesh so people could see God.

Not to be confused with the Mormon "other God"
.

Or did you assume it says IS manifested the flesh?

He is the way · Apr 9, 2020

Jamesone5 said:
This is really simple

1 Timothy 3:16
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifested in the flesh, Justified in the Spirit, Seen by angels, Preached among the Gentiles, Believed on in the world, Received up in glory.

GOD WAS Manifested in the flesh so people could see God.

Not to be confused with the Mormon "other God"
.

Or did you assume it says IS manifested the flesh?

1 Timothy 3:16
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifested in the flesh, Justified in the Spirit, Seen by angels, Preached among the Gentiles, Believed on in the world, Received up in glory.

Jamesone5 · Apr 9, 2020

He is the way said:
1 Timothy 3:16
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifested in the flesh, Justified in the Spirit, Seen by angels, Preached among the Gentiles, Believed on in the world, Received up in glory.

Glory
(Heb. kabhod; Gr. doxa). (1.) Abundance, wealth, treasure, and hence honour (Ps. 49:12); glory (Gen. 31:1; Matt. 4:8; Rev. 21:24, 26).

(2.) Honour, dignity (1 Kings 3:13; Heb. 2:7 1 Pet. 1:24); of God (Ps. 19:1; 29:1); of the mind or heart (Gen. 49:6; Ps. 7:5; Acts 2:46).

(3.) Splendour, brightness, majesty (Gen. 45:13; Isa. 4:5; Acts 22:11; 2 Cor. 3:7); of Jehovah (Isa. 59:19; 60:1; 2 Thess. 1:9).

(4.) The glorious moral attributes, the infinite perfections of God (Isa. 40:5; Acts 7:2; Rom. 1:23; 9:23; Eph. 1:12). Jesus is the "brightness of the Father's glory" (Heb. 1:3; John 1:14; 2:11).

Still nothing about a separate God {Jesus Christ] supposedly remaining in His flesh and bones existence.

Joseph Smith claimed he saw something but it certainly was not God in the flesh

He is the way · Apr 10, 2020

Jamesone5 said:
Glory
(Heb. kabhod; Gr. doxa). (1.) Abundance, wealth, treasure, and hence honour (Ps. 49:12); glory (Gen. 31:1; Matt. 4:8; Rev. 21:24, 26).

(2.) Honour, dignity (1 Kings 3:13; Heb. 2:7 1 Pet. 1:24); of God (Ps. 19:1; 29:1); of the mind or heart (Gen. 49:6; Ps. 7:5; Acts 2:46).

(3.) Splendour, brightness, majesty (Gen. 45:13; Isa. 4:5; Acts 22:11; 2 Cor. 3:7); of Jehovah (Isa. 59:19; 60:1; 2 Thess. 1:9).

(4.) The glorious moral attributes, the infinite perfections of God (Isa. 40:5; Acts 7:2; Rom. 1:23; 9:23; Eph. 1:12). Jesus is the "brightness of the Father's glory" (Heb. 1:3; John 1:14; 2:11).

Still nothing about a separate God {Jesus Christ] supposedly remaining in His flesh and bones existence.

Joseph Smith claimed he saw something but it certainly was not God in the flesh

Still NO explanation of what happened to Christ's immortal body after Christ was resurrected from the tomb. I suspect you believe He abandoned it somewhere and you don't know where:

(Book of Mormon | Alma 11:40 - 45)

40 And he shall come into the world to redeem his people; and he shall take upon him the transgressions of those who believe on his name; and these are they that shall have eternal life, and salvation cometh to none else.
41 Therefore the wicked remain as though there had been no redemption made, except it be the loosing of the bands of death; for behold, the day cometh that all shall rise from the dead and stand before God, and be judged according to their works.
42 Now, there is a death which is called a temporal death; and the death of Christ shall loose the bands of this temporal death, that all shall be raised from this temporal death.
43 The spirit and the body shall be reunited again in its perfect form; both limb and joint shall be restored to its proper frame, even as we now are at this time; and we shall be brought to stand before God, knowing even as we know now, and have a bright recollection of all our guilt.
44 Now, this restoration shall come to all, both old and young, both bond and free, both male and female, both the wicked and the righteous; and even there shall not so much as a hair of their heads be lost; but every thing shall be restored to its perfect frame, as it is now, or in the body, and shall be brought and be arraigned before the bar of Christ the Son, and God the Father, and the Holy Spirit, which is one Eternal God, to be judged according to their works, whether they be good or whether they be evil.
45 Now, behold, I have spoken unto you concerning the death of the mortal body, and also concerning the resurrection of the mortal body. I say unto you that this mortal body is raised to an immortal body, that is from death, even from the first death unto life, that they can die no more; their spirits uniting with their bodies, never to be divided; thus the whole becoming spiritual and immortal, that they can no more see corruption.

Jamesone5 · Apr 10, 2020

He is the way said:
Still NO explanation of what happened to Christ's immortal body after Christ was resurrected from the tomb. I suspect you believe He abandoned it somewhere and you don't know where:

(Book of Mormon | Alma 11:40 - 45)

40 And he shall come into the world to redeem his people; and he shall take upon him the transgressions of those who believe on his name; and these are they that shall have eternal life, and salvation cometh to none else.
41 Therefore the wicked remain as though there had been no redemption made, except it be the loosing of the bands of death; for behold, the day cometh that all shall rise from the dead and stand before God, and be judged according to their works.
42 Now, there is a death which is called a temporal death; and the death of Christ shall loose the bands of this temporal death, that all shall be raised from this temporal death.
43 The spirit and the body shall be reunited again in its perfect form; both limb and joint shall be restored to its proper frame, even as we now are at this time; and we shall be brought to stand before God, knowing even as we know now, and have a bright recollection of all our guilt.
44 Now, this restoration shall come to all, both old and young, both bond and free, both male and female, both the wicked and the righteous; and even there shall not so much as a hair of their heads be lost; but every thing shall be restored to its perfect frame, as it is now, or in the body, and shall be brought and be arraigned before the bar of Christ the Son, and God the Father, and the Holy Spirit, which is one Eternal God, to be judged according to their works, whether they be good or whether they be evil.
45 Now, behold, I have spoken unto you concerning the death of the mortal body, and also concerning the resurrection of the mortal body. I say unto you that this mortal body is raised to an immortal body, that is from death, even from the first death unto life, that they can die no more; their spirits uniting with their bodies, never to be divided; thus the whole becoming spiritual and immortal, that they can no more see corruption.

Kinda like you are always in a state of desperation here

You quoted the BoM which is NOT truth.

Peter1000 · Apr 10, 2020

Jamesone5 said:
You Mormon claim in so ridiculous, I do not know where to start.

First off--- God who appeared to Moses, according to Mormon construct, Moses could not have known Him really because He really was Christ , your other God? Or maybe Your Christ kept that information from Him--"come to me and really be saved and forget about all this animal sacrifice, because I am really the Christ-God".

that must be on the lips of Mormons if they stop and think, instead of accepting such nonsense.

Why would we even need an OT if the Mormon ridiculous claim is true? Mormons are saying "Those poor ignorant Jews"

It boggles my mind to think of all the false implications of what you are claim but not proving in any way, shape or form.

You aren't even in the Bible with rationale for this claim, much less OT/NT 101. You are believing in something else entirely and it sure is NOT the Bible.

Just answer this question: Do you believe that Jesus Christ was the God of the OT Israelites?

He is the way · Apr 10, 2020

Jamesone5 said:
Kinda like you are always in a state of desperation here

You quoted the BoM which is NOT truth.

I quoted the Book of Mormon purposely because it is the truth. Can you prove otherwise?

Peter1000 · Apr 10, 2020

Jamesone5 said:
And you have a man in your prophet that conflicts with he words of Jesus Christ. Prophets of the OT all agreed with Christ in many ways. Joseph Smith who wasn't even prophesied about---He made up his god.

The OT prophets from Moses on believed in the doctrine of "an eye for an eye". Is this doctrine in conflict with the doctrine of "love" taught by Jesus?

There are probably 20 different doctrines taught by the prophets of the OT that conflict with Jesus Christ. Let me give you one more. A woman caught in adultery, according to the OT prophets, was to be stoned to death on the spot. But when Jesus was confronted with this exact problem, he told the woman to go her way and sin no more. Do you see a conflict?

So apparently JS is not the only prophet that seems to conflict at rare times with the words of Jesus. Actually I would be surprized if there was not some differences that a prophets in the 19th century would have with 1st century prophets.

Peter1000 · Apr 10, 2020

Jamesone5 said:
Kinda like you are always in a state of desperation here

You quoted the BoM which is NOT truth.

At least everything that is in bold agrees perfectly with the NT words of Jesus. So if you do not believe the bolded that HITW brought to you, you do not believe in the words of Jesus in the bible either.

Peter1000 · Apr 10, 2020

Jamesone5 said:
Kinda like you are always in a state of desperation here

You quoted the BoM which is NOT truth.

Just answer this question: Do you believe that the mortal body of flesh and bone will be raised in the resurrection as a glorified resurrected body of flesh and bone?

Or do you believe that the mortal body of flesh and bone will remain in the grave forever, and we are resurrected as just glorified spirit beings?

Jamesone5 · Apr 10, 2020

Peter1000 said:
The OT prophets from Moses on believed in the doctrine of "an eye for an eye". Is this doctrine in conflict with the doctrine of "love" taught by Jesus?

There are probably 20 different doctrines taught by the prophets of the OT that conflict with Jesus Christ. Let me give you one more. A woman caught in adultery, according to the OT prophets, was to be stoned to death on the spot. But when Jesus was confronted with this exact problem, he told the woman to go her way and sin no more. Do you see a conflict?

So apparently JS is not the only prophet that seems to conflict at rare times with the words of Jesus. Actually I would be surprized if there was not some differences that a prophets in the 19th century would have with 1st century prophets.

Gee, Mormons claim they don't know but Christ tell us this
Matthew 5:38-39
38 “You have heard that it was said,An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.’ 39But I tell you not to resist an evil person. But whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other to him also.

Jamesone5 · Apr 10, 2020

Peter1000 said:
Just answer this question: Do you believe that the mortal body of flesh and bone will be raised in the resurrection as a glorified resurrected body of flesh and bone?

Or do you believe that the mortal body of flesh and bone will remain in the grave forever, and we are resurrected as just glorified spirit beings?

You are confusing on what you ask---to many words for such a little question

Do I believe I will have the same body in ressurction?

NO

Jamesone5 · Apr 10, 2020

Peter1000 said:
The OT prophets from Moses on believed in the doctrine of "an eye for an eye". Is this doctrine in conflict with the doctrine of "love" taught by Jesus?

There are probably 20 different doctrines taught by the prophets of the OT that conflict with Jesus Christ. Let me give you one more. A woman caught in adultery, according to the OT prophets, was to be stoned to death on the spot. But when Jesus was confronted with this exact problem, he told the woman to go her way and sin no more. Do you see a conflict?

So apparently JS is not the only prophet that seems to conflict at rare times with the words of Jesus. Actually I would be surprized if there was not some differences that a prophets in the 19th century would have with 1st century prophets.

Uh, there were no prophets in that crowd of Pharisees that condemned her and no, they perverted the LAW as the woman AND the man were supposed to be stoned. I could probably ask one of the 3rd Graders in my Sunday School class [that I taught] the question you posed and they would be able to answer me.

The other stuff you added is of no consequence.

Jamesone5 · Apr 10, 2020

Peter1000 said:
At least everything that is in bold agrees perfectly with the NT words of Jesus. So if you do not believe the bolded that HITW brought to you, you do not believe in the words of Jesus in the bible either.

Once again--just confusion,

You are trying to tell me what I believe or do NOT believe is the only thing I get from this mess.

The Words of Jesus of the Bible I do believe in.

And I certainly do not believe in the words of HITW.

Jamesone5 · Apr 10, 2020

He is the way said:
I quoted the Book of Mormon purposely because it is the truth. Can you prove otherwise?

How much time do you have for me to prove that it is NOT true?

And evidently you were sleeping when myself and others brought up all the other ways in which the BoM is NOT TRUE.

Jamesone5 · Apr 10, 2020

Peter1000 said:
Just answer this question: Do you believe that Jesus Christ was the God of the OT Israelites?

You set up your questions according to your construct.

God was the God of the OT Israelites, just as the Bible says.

You figure out which of YOUR Gods you want to falsely believe in that tries to fit into that..

He is the way · Apr 10, 2020

Jamesone5 said:
Once again--just confusion,

You are trying to tell me what I believe or do NOT believe is the only thing I get from this mess.

The Words of Jesus of the Bible I do believe in.

And I certainly do not believe in the words of HITW.

If you believed Jesus Christ you would know that He is risen.

Peter1000 · Apr 10, 2020

Jamesone5 said:
You are confusing on what you ask---to many words for such a little question

Do I believe I will have the same body in ressurction?

NO

Of course the answer to your question is a resounding NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The real question is the one I asked: Will your resurrected body be made of glorified flesh and bone?

Jamesone5 · Apr 10, 2020

Peter1000 said:
Of course the answer to your question is a resounding NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The real question is the one I asked: Will your resurrected body be made of glorified flesh and bone?

Why would I need to be resurrected in a glorified flesh and bone existence? Flesh and bone is earthly, do you not KNOW?

And no, I cannot see where you asked this "real" question you now propose.

But I can see frustration on you part with all the exclamation points.

Jamesone5 · Apr 10, 2020

He is the way said:
If you believed Jesus Christ you would know that He is risen.

So?

That is what Easter Sunday is all about. He is Risen

Are we assuming again that He is risen in His former flesh and bone existence----- when HE WAS Manifested in that form. God WAS manifested in the flesh. You cannot see that WAS is a past tense adverb.

Once again I believe in the Words of the Bible---I do NOT assume the verses are saying something they are not.
That assuming is a Mormon trait.

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