Hydoxychlorquinine does not appear to be an answer:

Subduction Zone said:

Yep. And when a person cannot post reliable evidence they are more likely wrong that not. It does not mean that one is automatically wrong, but one must be willing to support one's claims at forums and in other debates.

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There you go with that song again...rewind...repeat...rewind...repeat...been there and done that...even got the t-shirt I ordered...oh and HCQ+, it's being used all over the Us and many other countries around the world...why would that be... wait I know...because it's very safe, effective, and inexpensive life saving treatment at $20.00 per treatment per person

Do you really think anyone cares about the anecdotal narrative??? It's old news bud...it's been drowned out by so many recovered and recovering patients using it.

Subduction Zone said:

That is only because all that you can find for support is anecdotes.

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That's not quite true. There's been one small case-control study that showed an effect. And one small case-control study that showed no effect.

sfs said:

The ones of whom you said, "Your lot and your political goal...it has nothing to do with saving lives...it's all about trying to smear President Trump." That's a judgment of people's motives.

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Who do you think "your lot is referring to"?

Lets do our ABC's again shall we...Here we go...ready...the ones that keep pretending the supporting evidence is just anecdotal and as if it doesn't mean anything...and denying that anecdotal has been far surppassed by lots and lots of evidence now by 1000's responding positively to HCQ+ treatment all over the world...you all know who you are.

Subduction Zone said:

Oh, and contrary to the claims of being used on other viruses one study on viruses other than the one that causes Covid-19 that showed a positive effect in vitro, but a negative one in vivo.

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Chloroquine has actually been tried on many viruses. Only for one did it show any effect on the course of disease: in monkeys infected with chikungunya virus, it made the disease worse.

sfs said:

That's not quite true. There's been one small case-control study that showed an effect. And one small case-control study that showed no effect.

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You wish it was only one LOL...you haven't done your homework.

Zanting said:

Lets do our ABC's again shall we...Here we go...ready...the ones that keep pretending the supporting evidence is just anecdotal and as if it doesn't mean anything...and denying that anecdotal has been far surppassed by lots and lots of evidence now by 1000's responding positively to HCQ+ treatment all over the world...you all know who you are.

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Yeah, that's people like me. I'm asking you to stop judging my motives, since you actually know nothing at all about them.

Zanting said:

Here's the thing...it's being distributed all over the US now...it's been used successfully in many other countries the world over for weeks now...doctors all over the world are saying it should be used to treat the virus for weeks now, it's been used in China and elswhere for years to treat other viruses including coronavirus for years....BUT...then there is this select little group claiming...it's all...wait for it...ta da...anecdotal...I know who I'm going to pay attention to.

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New York ordered millions.
Must in most cases work.

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Subduction Zone said:

So you claim but cannot seem to support. Repeating an unsupported claim does not make it true. If ou read the my latest link it shows that the CDC in the U.S. has backed way down on any claims of effectiveness. Don't you think that they would know much better than either of us?

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I claim nothing...you guys always try to make it sooooo personal....get those emotions going...egg people on...we'll dispense with that...not my kinda game
I report what I've researched...the claims belong to the brilliant and wonderful doctors such as Dr. Daniel Wallace, Dr Didier Raolt, Dr Zelenko and many more who worked together to bring forward this life saving treatment for a world wide pandemic...they are the experts we are all listening to...they have the data, they have the facts and they've been reporting about this treatment, and studies, big and small for weeks now.

And all you guys can say over and over and over again...for over a week...no evidence...no proof...that this is a lfe saving treatment...it's "only" anecdotal so no no no no no. News flash...no one's waiting for endless studies to use an already approved safe, effective, inexpensive teatment...nor does anyone care about the anecdotal narrative anymore...

...zzzzzzzzz......

Subduction Zone said:

And all that is needed to end our claims that the evidence for your claims are only anecdotal would be to . . . what? How would you show that the evidence is not only anecdotal? You are the one claiming this works, that again puts the burden of proof upon you. You need reliable evidence.

It is such an easy solution if what you claim is true.

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See post 171

sfs said:

Yeah, that's people like me. I'm asking you to stop judging my motives, since you actually know nothing at all about them.

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Do explain how I've judged your motives inaccurately?

Zanting said:

See post 171

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Subduction Zone said:

No evidence presented. You may be new to debating on forums. When others require you to support your claims links to a valid site are a must. In short:

Links or it didn't happen.

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Here, I will model good behavior:

If you had only heard about [the Raoult] study from the Fox News assertion of a “100% cure rate”, you might assume that the four patients with poor clinical outcomes (the three ICU visits and one death) had been unlucky enough to be in the group that did not receive the “cure”.

And yet, those four patients, as well as the patient with nausea and the one who left the hospital early, were all part of the treatment group.

Zanting said:

Do explain how I've judged your motives inaccurately?

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You said that what I've been posting hasn't been about saving lives, but about smearing Trump.

sfs said:

Chloroquine has actually been tried on many viruses. Only for one did it show any effect on the course of disease: in monkeys infected with chikungunya virus, it made the disease worse.

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We're not talking about chloroquine...my reference is Dr Daniel Wallace who has over 42 years of experience with hydroxychloroquine...the drug currently in use for covid-19...and his experience indicates it's also a likely preventative drug against the virus as well...and well we all know what that means if the current studies looking at that prove true....no need for a vaccine...my bets are on this doctor.

Zelenko
Unproven

sfs said:

You said that what I've been posting hasn't been about saving lives, but about smearing Trump.

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Anyone downplaying the now overwhelming support for this treatment is playing with peoples lives period...

Zanting said:

my reference is Dr Daniel Wallace who has over 42 years of experience with hydroxychloroquine.....and his experience indicates

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Nice anecdote for him to tell Doctor Oz, but not really useful as evidence of a treatment.