Israel`s months in relation to the Lord`s return.

Davy said:

You apparently don't realize it yet, but ANY gathering to the holy land PRIOR to the "day of the Lord", which is the LAST DAY of this present world, will NOT be a gathering to Christ Jesus. Instead, it will be a gathering of the dead carcase to wheresoever the fowls are gathered to feast (Luke 17:35-37).

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The Day of the Lords fiery wrath, is the Sixth Seal, years before His Return.

Does the Sixth Seal of Revelation 6:12-17, Happen at the Return of Jesus?
Revelation 7:1-3 After that, [the Sixth seal] I saw four angels holding back the winds. Another angel called to them: Do not punish the earth further until the mark of God is set upon His servants.
If you think that the Sixth Seal happens at the Return, then what are the further punishments referring to? They are obviously the next sequence: the Great Tribulation Trumpet and Bowl punishments.

Isaiah 64:1-11 [Before the Lord’s Day of vengeance and wrath.] Why, Lord do You not tear asunder the heavens and cause the mountains to shake, fires to blaze and water to boil, then Your Name would be known and nations would tremble before You. Lord, look upon Your people, those who strive to do right, do not be angry beyond measure. Isaiah 34:2-4

After the Lord’s Day of vengeance and wrath:
You surprised us with awesome things, when You acted the mountains shook.
Now, Your Holy city is ruined and burned by fire, all of Zion is a desolation, all that we treasured has been destroyed. Jeremiah 9:9-11

Although Jerusalem has been destroyed before, there has never been a destruction as described, in fact as virtually all the buildings are built of stone, it will require an extreme event to fulfil these prophecies. Why would the Lord destroy the whole country, including the Third Temple at His Return?


1 Thess. 5:1-3...you know the Day of the Lord will come as a thief. While they are saying: All is peaceful, all secure, suddenly destruction is upon them and there will be no escape. Isaiah 47:8-11, Jeremiah 25:32-33

‘come as a thief’ - The unexpected Day of the Lord is not and cannot be the Return of Jesus in His glory. The date of the Return will not be unknown to anyone who knows Bible prophecy, as we are told in Daniel 12:7, Revelation 12:6 - from the day the Anti Christ desecrates the new Temple, till the Return will be 1260 days.

‘while they’ - The enemies of God.

‘all is peaceful’ - NOT how it will be just prior to Jesus Return.
Most of the world at present, is relatively peaceful, even the Middle East has only localized trouble spots. All the M.E. countries will support Iran and then..

‘sudden destruction is upon them’- The terrible judgement by fire, prophesied over 100 times throughout the Bible. Deuteronomy 32:22, Zephaniah 3:8

Luke 22:34-36 Be on your guard, do not let your minds be dulled by worldly cares, so that the great Day catches you by surprise, like a trap, for that Day will come upon everyone the whole world over. Be alert and pray for strength to pass safely through all that is coming and to be able to stand before Jesus. [At His Return, later.]

‘pass safely through’- Not ‘escape all these things’, as some translations have it and this leads to the false idea of the ‘rapture’.

keras said:

The Day of the Lords fiery wrath, is the Sixth Seal, years before His Return.

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Afraid not. The "day of the Lord" is when Jesus comes to fight WITH His saints.

Zech 14:1-5
14:1 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.

At this point, only a warning of the coming "day of the Lord" is given.

2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.

Even you have shown in your posts that above verse 2 event is for the very end, for the tribulation. The mystery is why would you suggest that would involve a gathering of Christians there by Christ during that, even BEFORE the "day of the Lord" event that ends that tribulation? At that point, the "day of the Lord" still is not yet, and the battle trumpet has yet to sound. But it's next.


3 Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when He fought in the day of battle.

At this... point in time, is when the "day of the Lord" happens, the armies surrounding Jerusalem, and God's cup of wrath getting ready to be poured out upon them. This will officially end the time of tribulation upon the saints still alive on earth. This is the Rev.19 event of Christ's coming on a white horse with His army.

It is also the day He gathers His Church at His coming (on His descent from Heaven).


4 And His feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.

5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the LORD my God shall come, and all the saints with Thee.
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When Jesus' feet touch down upon the Mount of Olives, bringing all the saints with Him, it means the 1 Thessalonians 4 events already happened during His descending to earth.

Does the Sixth Seal of Revelation 6:12-17, Happen at the Return of Jesus?

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Revelation 7:1-3 After that, [the Sixth seal] I saw four angels holding back the winds. Another angel called to them: Do not punish the earth further until the mark of God is set upon His servants.
If you think that the Sixth Seal happens at the Return, then what are the further punishments referring to? They are obviously the next sequence: the Great Tribulation Trumpet and Bowl punishments.

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It's the EVENTS written we are to understand, and our Lord Jesus gave us a parallel to those Rev.6 events in His Olivet discourse. There are ONLY 7 SIGNS He gave. That means the Rev.6 Seals are also about ONLY those 7 Signs of the End.

Men's traditions try to be so... exact with following the order that John was given to write down what he saw. But rarely do they stop to actually compare the 'type' of events given, and thus understand that Jesus was giving info only about the main 7 Signs of the End, the same 7 Signs He gave in His Olivet discourse. The LAST sign He gave in His Olivet discourse is about His 2nd coming and gathering of His Church. That also is the last Sign He gave in Revelation, and it's on the 6th Seal, 7th Trumpet, and 7th Vial.

So if you're trying to follow the exact 'order' John was given to write down what he saw, instead of focusing on the actual 'event type', then you are no doubt confused about our Lord's Book of Revelation, and probably have fought trying to understand it for a long, long time.

Isaiah 64:1-11 [Before the Lord’s Day of vengeance and wrath.] Why, Lord do You not tear asunder the heavens and cause the mountains to shake, fires to blaze and water to boil, then Your Name would be known and nations would tremble before You. Lord, look upon Your people, those who strive to do right, do not be angry beyond measure. Isaiah 34:2-4

After the Lord’s Day of vengeance and wrath:
You surprised us with awesome things, when You acted the mountains shook.
Now, Your Holy city is ruined and burned by fire, all of Zion is a desolation, all that we treasured has been destroyed. Jeremiah 9:9-11

Although Jerusalem has been destroyed before, there has never been a destruction as described, in fact as virtually all the buildings are built of stone, it will require an extreme event to fulfil these prophecies.

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That Jer.9 Scripture actually was about God's destruction of Zion using Nebuchadnezzar, the king of Babylon. It is talking about destruction upon Jerusalem and the cities of Judah. And Jer.9:16 God talks about scattering them among the heathen (Gentiles). That was historical. That doesn't mean God is going to destroy Jerusalem and scatter Judah again.

Why would the Lord destroy the whole country, including the Third Temple at His Return?

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He's not, that instead is your own interpretation. Rev.11:13 says a 'tenth' part of the city will fall, not the whole city. Rev.16:19 says the city will be divided into 3 parts.

1 Thess. 5:1-3...you know the Day of the Lord will come as a thief. While they are saying: All is peaceful, all secure, suddenly destruction is upon them and there will be no escape. Isaiah 47:8-11, Jeremiah 25:32-33

‘come as a thief’ - The unexpected Day of the Lord is not and cannot be the Return of Jesus in His glory. The date of the Return will not be unknown to anyone who knows Bible prophecy, as we are told in Daniel 12:7, Revelation 12:6 - from the day the Anti Christ desecrates the new Temple, till the Return will be 1260 days.

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And yet Jesus said He comes "as a thief" in Rev.16:15, and He gave the thief breaking in idea in connection with the day of His coming in Matthew 24:42-44. So who should we believe, you, or Jesus? I'll stay with what my Lord Jesus said.

The idea of the deceived and wicked saying, "Peace and safety", and then a "sudden destruction" comes upon them, is from the OT prophets about the last day of this world. God said that day shall come "at an instant, suddenly", and that is where Apostle Paul was pulling from (Isaiah 29:1-6).

Isaiah 24 better covers the events of the "day of the Lord".

Marilyn C said:

Hi keras,

The feast of Tabernacles is in the millennium as God`s word tells us - Zech. 14: 18)

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im 20 do u think ill be aliv when jesus returns

jasonMalloy1999 said:

im 20 do u think ill be aliv when jesus returns

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We don't know; none of us knows. We can pray as in Revelation 22: 'Come, Lord Jesus'; and meanwhile by His grace seek to serve Him faithfully.

Old Testament prophetic events are important but don't relate directly to the church, as I would see it.

Marilyn C said:

Hi Jason,

Yes, the Lord willing, you`ll be alive when the Lord returns for us, His Body which I believe will be early next year. So just keep looking to Him and trusting Him in your daily life.

As to the Lord`s coming to deliver Israel and judge the nations, that will be 7 years later in 2028.

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oh crap im in trouble thn i keep falling to sin

Davy said:

Isaiah 24 better covers the events of the "day of the Lord".

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I agree. That and over 100 other prophesies refer to the forthcoming dramatic reset of our civilization by fire from the sun. It will manly affect the Middle East region, Zephaniah 2:1-5, but the rest of the world will never be the same again.
You can have the rest of your views, I disagree and I believe the end times will take place just as the Bible, esp Revelation, tells us.

Marilyn C said:

Well Jason, you can (like us all) just repent and go on, and ask the Lord to help you as He highlights each behaviour that needs addressing. Trust Him to guide you and be happy that each bad attitude is getting addressed.

Do you realise that the only thing that we take to glory is our character. Thus it is important to work on those areas that we know are not right.

praying, Marilyn.

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thanks but what if i sin hen he arrives or during the tribulation ill be doomed
and i was toldno one knows the end even jesus doesn't know

jasonMalloy1999 said:

thanks but what if i sin hen he arrives or during the tribulation ill be doomed
and i was toldno one knows the end even jesus doesn't know

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The great tribulation of Matthew 24 is not to do with the church, in context. It's distinct from the tribulation principle of John 16.33, through which we all go through.

We rest on the finished work of Christ, and we don't need to worry about events on earth after the church is taken.

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faroukfarouk said:

The great tribulation of Matthew 24 is not to do with the church, in context. It's distinct from the tribulation principle of John 16.33, through which we all go through.

We rest on the finished work of Christ, and we don't need to worry about events on earth after the church is taken.

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ll if jesus arrived and im astonished and say oh blank im pretty sure he wouldnt forgive me as i have inappropriate content addiction and swear and lie alot from family doing it i came naturally since birth hence why since im the only real christian in my family the temptations are bad my friend is my nephew whos 26 while i 20 and he has very bad words super vile it causes me to swear with out knowing

jasonMalloy1999 said:

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ll if jesus arrived and im astonished and say oh blank im pretty sure he wouldnt forgive me as i have inappropriate content addiction and swear and lie alot from family doing it i came naturally since birth hence why since im the only real christian in my family the temptations are bad my friend is my nephew whos 26 while i 20 and he has very bad words super vile it causes me to swear with out knowing

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Well, principles of cleansing and forgiveness are well explained in John's First Epistle, which also emphasizes very strongly the believer's assurance before God. Romans 8 is another tremendous chapter about the believer's assurance, among other things.

It's a pity that people are sometimes misled into thinking that Matthew 24.21 is somehow just about the daily problems of life through which the Lord graciously strengthens His church, instead of being about a unique, future event relating to a Jewish remnant on earth after the church has gone: "For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be."

Marilyn C said:

God word is the WHOLE Bible, and thus He reveals some aspects to different prophets.

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So is there a verse somewhere else that shows us an exact time? I think not.

keras said:

I agree. That and over 100 other prophesies refer to the forthcoming dramatic reset of our civilization by fire from the sun. It will manly affect the Middle East region, Zephaniah 2:1-5, but the rest of the world will never be the same again.
You can have the rest of your views, I disagree and I believe the end times will take place just as the Bible, esp Revelation, tells us.

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If you want to keep to your idea that doesn't align with God's written Word, that's one thing, but falsely inferring that I'm not keeping to God's Word while you say you are, is another thing entirely.

You are not keeping to God's Word as written on those events for the "day of the Lord" that are written in both the OT and NT. I have already shown that in my previous posts, so your inference against me is just a lie in trying to insult my credibility.

faroukfarouk said:

The great tribulation of Matthew 24 is not to do with the church, in context. It's distinct from the tribulation principle of John 16.33, through which we all go through.

We rest on the finished work of Christ, and we don't need to worry about events on earth after the church is taken.

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You're wrong about that. Christ's Church is exactly who Jesus is speaking to in His Olivet discourse, even the very foundation of His Church!

The pre-trib rapture school is teaching a lie. They don't know what in the world to watch for leading up to the end, because they refuse to heed Jesus' command to His servants to 'watch'. And He gave that command in His Olivet discourse. But oh, the pre-tribbers will certainly use Jesus' metaphor in His Olivet discourse about two in the field, one taken and the other left! So much for those on that doctrine saying Jesus' Olivet discourse isn't for His Church!

Davy said:

You're wrong about that. Christ's Church is exactly who Jesus is speaking to in His Olivet discourse, even the very foundation of His Church!

The pre-trib rapture school is teaching a lie. They don't know what in the world to watch for leading up to the end, because they refuse to heed Jesus' command to His servants to 'watch'. And He gave that command in His Olivet discourse. But oh, the pre-tribbers will certainly use Jesus' metaphor in His Olivet discourse about two in the field, one taken and the other left! So much for those on that doctrine saying Jesus' Olivet discourse isn't for His Church!

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You and I differ profoundly, at least on this matter. Blessing.

faroukfarouk said:

You and I differ profoundly, at least on this matter. Blessing.

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Yes, we do, because I don't follow a system devised by men. And for that reason I cannot offer you the same blessing in return. I instead pray that my Heavenly Father and His Son will open your spiritual eyes and spiritual ears to understand His Holy Writ.