If sex leads to overpopulation would God have originally expected humans to only have sex occasional

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He said be fruitful and multiply... that means have lots of kids... which requires lots of lovin'...
Having kids doesn't always take lovin, just sex. That is why I think it is important to know the value of the act. I think the problem is is that we have devalued sex as some sort of pleasure thing only and consequently there are many accidents of children. If there is something like 125,000 abortions every day around the world then we could say there is probably double that if not more of accidental pregnancies where people keep the baby. We cannot underestimate the power of sex.

That's why I wondered if it was God's intention to restrict sex somewhat to procreation and maybe as the ultimate act in a loving relationship. I think if we treated sex as sacred then I think it would not be as abused which has contributed to overpopulation. Though God said go and be fruitful and multiply I am sure he was saying this in the context of a more Godly relationship. Or maybe he knew human weakness for sex and therefore allowed things to take their course which would inevitably populate the earth fairly quickly.
 
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Having kids doesn't always take lovin, just sex. That is why I think it is important to know the value of the act. I think the problem is is that we have devalued sex as some sort of pleasure thing only and consequently there are many accidents of children. If there is something like 125,000 abortions every day around the world then we could say there is probably double that if not more of accidental pregnancies where people keep the baby. We cannot underestimate the power of sex.

That's why I wondered if it was God's intention to restrict sex somewhat to procreation and maybe as the ultimate act in a loving relationship. I think if we treated sex as sacred then I think it would not be as abused which has contributed to overpopulation. Though God said go and be fruitful and multiply I am sure he was saying this in the context of a more Godly relationship. Or maybe he knew human weakness for sex and therefore allowed things to take their course which would inevitably populate the earth fairly quickly.

Well, I was talking about married people. I tend to agree it should be considered a sacred act, but all people are sinful. On the other hand, if he meant it only for procreation, he should not have made it so enjoyable, just saying.
 
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Well, I was talking about married people. I tend to agree it should be considered a sacred act, but all people are sinful. On the other hand, if he meant it only for procreation, he should not have made it so enjoyable, just saying.

If it wasn't enjoyable why would anyone do it? ;)
 
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I have been reading a lot about overpopulation lately and how it has and is contributing to a lot of our problems such as climate change, poverty, pollution and the depletion of the earth's natural resources. So it got me thinking how could we have avoided this situation. The obvious answer is to not produce so many people. But despite contraception, we have still overpopulated. So the question is did God intend for us to only have sex occasionally to avoid overpopulating the earth or is this inevitable.

A good deal of the children born started off as accidents. Sometimes the parents come to accept and love the child and go on to be good parents. Often, the opposite is true. My experience is that a lot of people don't think carefully about the responsibility that comes with sex It's a fun thing that makes you feel good in the moment; carefully considering the implications of sex and an honest, frank discussion about what both parties want from it tends to be seen as "killing the mood" or somehow taking away from what they see as something that should be passionate rather than rational.

I think it can, and should, be both. When both participants have a clear understanding of what each wants (whether it be kids or not kids) then you can enjoy the interaction even more knowing that you're both on the same page.

Alas, in our monetary-driven society it is more profitable to encourage emotional, reactionary interactions rather than considerate, rational interactions. People who are driven by emotional reactions are easier to manipulate, especially when you convince them that these emotional reactions are what makes them unique and interesting. I talked to a guy who said he was positive he'd found his soulmate because they were able to talk on the phone for 3 hours without getting bored. He didn't know what her life goals were, what he spending habits were like, or what her religious/political view points were; it was all an emotional, feel-good-in-the-moment stuff. This is exactly the kind of thinking that leads people into intimate situations without any thought for the consequences; they're caught up in the moment, unthinking, only feelings.

When the pregnancy comes, it's either an abortion, a begrudging responsibility for an unwanted baby, or perhaps, but less likely, shift of life goals that will genuinely care for the baby despite it's unplanned-for arrival. Out of those, option 3 is usually the rarest, and most hover around option 2 in a gray area between criminal neglect and resigned acceptance.
 
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I have been reading a lot about overpopulation lately and how it has and is contributing to a lot of our problems such as climate change, poverty, pollution and the depletion of the earth's natural resources. So it got me thinking how could we have avoided this situation. The obvious answer is to not produce so many people. But despite contraception, we have still overpopulated. So the question is did God intend for us to only have sex occasionally to avoid overpopulating the earth or is this inevitable.

Over population is not the issue. Resource management is the issue. This planet could easily sustain a larger population if we actually loved our neighbors.

As for sex - not all sex is procreative. Humans continue to have sex post-menopause and during pregnancy, not to mention the various non-vaginal/penile forms of producing [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] - anal sex, oral sex, mutual masturbation, etc. So, even if overpopulation was the real issue, humans don't have to limit their sexual activity - they could just switch to non-procreative forms of sex. Or, they could even implement "better" forms of birth control, like tubal ligation or vasectomy - especially if they already have a child.
 
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Eliminate the unwanted and unplanned births and the population will be just fine.
Or simply stop intervening with life-saving measures and let the nature course of events transpire. That'll do the trick.

Send everybody back to their normal routines and COVID-19 will cull the herd. All those old folks dying will ease the Social Security coffers, lower healthcare costs, and mitigate many bankruptcies. The exposure will harden the human genome and improve the specifies. Biological Übermensch!
 
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I have been reading a lot about overpopulation lately and how it has and is contributing to a lot of our problems such as climate change, poverty, pollution and the depletion of the earth's natural resources. So it got me thinking how could we have avoided this situation. The obvious answer is to not produce so many people. But despite contraception, we have still overpopulated. So the question is did God intend for us to only have sex occasionally to avoid overpopulating the earth or is this inevitable.
In all honesty, do you worry about overpopulation? God The Father Told us

Gen.8

  1. [22] While the earth remaineth, seedtime and harvest, and cold and heat, and summer and winter, and day and night shall not cease.


  1. We do not ever need to worry period. God cannot lie and He wants us to take comfort in His Word. So many people across so many borders worry about issues that they cannot do anything about. If your time to die is today, nothing in the universe can prevent it. The reverse is also true. The way I currently see it is that God The Father has us on both sides of death. He can easily put you back into your body or build you a new one. I thank God for His Perfect Love.
 
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I have been reading a lot about overpopulation lately and how it has and is contributing to a lot of our problems such as climate change, poverty, pollution and the depletion of the earth's natural resources. So it got me thinking how could we have avoided this situation. The obvious answer is to not produce so many people. But despite contraception, we have still overpopulated. So the question is did God intend for us to only have sex occasionally to avoid overpopulating the earth or is this inevitable.

When God told Adam and Eve to "be fruitful and multiply," he didn't just mean sex. He meant by witnessing to our faith in and experiences with God in order to have spiritual children. How often you and your wife have sex is between you and God. But when God provides you with opportunities with other people, he expects you to testify to your experiences with him, giving him the credit for every blessing.
 
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I have been reading a lot about overpopulation lately and how it has and is contributing to a lot of our problems such as climate change, poverty, pollution and the depletion of the earth's natural resources. So it got me thinking how could we have avoided this situation. The obvious answer is to not produce so many people. But despite contraception, we have still overpopulated. So the question is did God intend for us to only have sex occasionally to avoid overpopulating the earth or is this inevitable.
That would contradict the command to be fruitful and multiply
 
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So the question is did God intend for us to only have sex occasionally to avoid overpopulating the earth or is this inevitable.

For most of human history, the human population grew more slowly than now. There were no vaccines, no antibiotics, no antiseptic surgery, no safe c-sections. Giving birth to a dozen children didn't mean that all of them, or even most of them, would live to adulthood. The harshness of life balanced the birth rate, more or less. Our sex drive and fertility rate are tuned for this environment.

In the last couple of centuries, medical knowledge has improved considerably, so that most children now live to adulthood. Fortunately, part of that knowledge is safe, reliable, easy-to-use contraception, so we have the ability to adjust our birth rates to the new environment.
 
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How about owning a computer?

About the same. Your point is about as sharp as fried egg.

Do you feel then that your possessions beyond what you need for comfortable living enrich you spiritually, mentally or physically ?

If so, how ?
 
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When God told Adam and Eve to "be fruitful and multiply," he didn't just mean sex. He meant by witnessing to our faith in and experiences with God in order to have spiritual children. How often you and your wife have sex is between you and God. But when God provides you with opportunities with other people, he expects you to testify to your experiences with him, giving him the credit for every blessing.
Really? I think you're putting a metaphor in where there isn't one.
 
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About the same. Your point is about as sharp as fried egg.
I'm going to guess that that non-reply means that you DO have a computer. ;) And most residents of South Sudan have none. They could buy a year's supply of food for what one computer costs.
 
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There must be some reason he told us who should be having sex and who should not. However, poverty has actually decreased globally in recent years while the population has continued to increase. We keep finding more natural resources that we did not know existed previously and thought we would be running out of. The number of people in the world is not a cause of climate change or of pollution. Even if one takes as given that human activity cause climate change that would be the activity of humans and not amount of humans. If a huge amount of any specific type of living creatures on the planet caused climate change, in and of itself, then there are far more populace species than homo sapiens that would have been causing it. All living things pollute in one way or the other but there is a natural recycling system that has evolved over time. Pollution as a problem is a fairly recent thing caused not by the number of humans but by the ingenuity of humans. That ingenuity can also be used, and has also been used, to deal with the problems caused by pollution when the natural system cannot.
As someone pointed out a fairly long time ago, the solution to pollution is dilution. In fact, a great deal of pollution is handled that way. We do not need to worry about anything as I understand The Word. God promised our seasons and harvests until the end of the world. He made that promise to man right after the flood. The sinful nature of man can certainly elicit extreme weather issues. So many people believe that science is pure and ethically sound at all times. I am not one of those people. When the trend is to promote awareness to global warming, you better get the same results. The money goes to a school or university that gives results to back a political position. Consider how many submarine volcanoes there are pumping out huge quantities of sulphuric acid and heat. The trend is warming oceans and lowering their ph. I think that young people today have embraced green as a religion and have bailed on Christianity.
 
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So the question is did God intend for us to only have sex occasionally to avoid overpopulating the earth...
No. It seems to me that He intended us to have it enthusiastically and often, and to be open to Him using us to fill the earth with as many more of us as He wants to have around.
 
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I'm going to guess that that non-reply means that you DO have a computer. ;) And most residents of South Sudan have none. They could buy a year's supply of food for what one computer costs.

I am not the type to cry that politicians should travel to their meetings abroad on sail boats nor as mentioned earlier in the thread that we should go back to caves and hunt with spears because it was just so nostalgic to suffer cold, starvation, sabertooths and life spans of couple of decades while suffering from multitude of ailments that modern medical can cure.

There is a balance.

How about the other part? Do you feel your possessions past your comfort level enrich you mentally, spiritually or physically?

Do you feel as Christian that excess wealth is something that The Bible speaks for or against ?
 
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