If sex leads to overpopulation would God have originally expected humans to only have sex occasional

stevevw · Apr 9, 2020

I have been reading a lot about overpopulation lately and how it has and is contributing to a lot of our problems such as climate change, poverty, pollution and the depletion of the earth's natural resources. So it got me thinking how could we have avoided this situation. The obvious answer is to not produce so many people. But despite contraception, we have still overpopulated. So the question is did God intend for us to only have sex occasionally to avoid overpopulating the earth or is this inevitable.

BrotherD · Apr 9, 2020

stevevw said:
I have been reading a lot about overpopulation lately and how it has and is contributing to a lot of our problems such as climate change, poverty, pollution and the depletion of the earth's natural resources. So it got me thinking how could we have avoided this situation. The obvious answer is to not produce so many people. But despite contraception, we have still overpopulated. So the question is did God intend for us to only have sex occasionally to avoid overpopulating the earth or is this inevitable.

We haven't overpopulated the earth, a majority just live in the cities. There is still a lot of land left. Depopulation is something the Elites has been pushing for a while now and is rather open about it. Men wants to take what God created and control it. God wants us to be fruitful and multiply as he spoke it to Noah.
Genesis 9:1 KJV — And God blessed Noah and his sons, and said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth.

Amittai · Apr 9, 2020

The older way of living was hunting and gathering in small nuclear families connected as clans and tribes.

As land disappeared under sea and as more land desertified (the Society for Interdisciplinary Studies can point you to earlier causes to which recent ones we hear about have been added) people had to fall back on more deliberate growing & herding. Temporarily there was a glut of bronze.

Throw in the steam age, mutant forms of capitalism . . .

Now we're here, God has sent the church to intercede maturely about all needs. There is potential for enough food, still.

Some of the Mongols turned half of Iran and Afghanistan into deserts in about 1240. The Ma'rib dam burst of about 550 (amidst manoeuvrings of failing empires) turned Yemen into a desert. Some benificent sheikhs would surely like to help, and people of good will would surely join in.

Inept means of irrigating salinated then desertified Mesopotamia.

I agree with brother D because where civilisation went wrong a few thousand years ago was the monopolising, centralisation, homogenising and tyrannising.

We understand relatively little about the spiritual atmosphere of some of the earlier times.

Amittai · Apr 9, 2020

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Jonathan Walkerin · Apr 9, 2020

stevevw said:
I have been reading a lot about overpopulation lately and how it has and is contributing to a lot of our problems such as climate change, poverty, pollution and the depletion of the earth's natural resources.

The problem is more of consumerism. US has 1/4 population of India but vastly higher rate of resource consumption.

Europe, China, Japan are already have birth rate that is unable to replace the population dying off.

With increased education and living standards the birth rates will fall and sooner rather than later we are going to have problem of not enough people instead of worries about overpopulation.

ReesePiece23 · Apr 9, 2020

No human is created by accident.

I don't care what anyone says. The odds of YOU ever actually existing were preposterously remote until you were born.

OldWiseGuy · Apr 9, 2020

Eliminate the unwanted and unplanned births and the population will be just fine.

OldWiseGuy · Apr 9, 2020

Jonathan Walkerin said:
The problem is more of consumerism. US has 1/4 population of India but vastly higher rate of resource consumption.

Europe, China, Japan are already have birth rate that is unable to replace the population dying off.

With increased education and living standards the birth rates will fall and sooner rather than later we are going to have problem of not enough people instead of worries about overpopulation.

"Not enough people" to do what?

Skittles · Apr 9, 2020

stevevw said:
I have been reading a lot about overpopulation lately and how it has and is contributing to a lot of our problems such as climate change, poverty, pollution and the depletion of the earth's natural resources. So it got me thinking how could we have avoided this situation. The obvious answer is to not produce so many people. But despite contraception, we have still overpopulated. So the question is did God intend for us to only have sex occasionally to avoid overpopulating the earth or is this inevitable.

The world is VASTLY healthier and better off than it was say 50, 100, or 200 years ago so I view the connection between population and the pathologies you reference as unfounded.

OldWiseGuy · Apr 9, 2020

If having too much sex is the problem, marriage is the solution. ^_^

grasping the after wind · Apr 9, 2020

stevevw said:
I have been reading a lot about overpopulation lately and how it has and is contributing to a lot of our problems such as climate change, poverty, pollution and the depletion of the earth's natural resources. So it got me thinking how could we have avoided this situation. The obvious answer is to not produce so many people. But despite contraception, we have still overpopulated. So the question is did God intend for us to only have sex occasionally to avoid overpopulating the earth or is this inevitable.

There must be some reason he told us who should be having sex and who should not. However, poverty has actually decreased globally in recent years while the population has continued to increase. We keep finding more natural resources that we did not know existed previously and thought we would be running out of. The number of people in the world is not a cause of climate change or of pollution. Even if one takes as given that human activity cause climate change that would be the activity of humans and not amount of humans. If a huge amount of any specific type of living creatures on the planet caused climate change, in and of itself, then there are far more populace species than homo sapiens that would have been causing it. All living things pollute in one way or the other but there is a natural recycling system that has evolved over time. Pollution as a problem is a fairly recent thing caused not by the number of humans but by the ingenuity of humans. That ingenuity can also be used, and has also been used, to deal with the problems caused by pollution when the natural system cannot.

renniks · Apr 9, 2020

stevevw said:
I have been reading a lot about overpopulation lately and how it has and is contributing to a lot of our problems such as climate change, poverty, pollution and the depletion of the earth's natural resources. So it got me thinking how could we have avoided this situation. The obvious answer is to not produce so many people. But despite contraception, we have still overpopulated. So the question is did God intend for us to only have sex occasionally to avoid overpopulating the earth or is this inevitable.

He said be fruitful and multiply... that means have lots of kids... which requires lots of lovin'...

Jonathan Walkerin · Apr 9, 2020

OldWiseGuy said:
"Not enough people" to do what?

To maintain the society as we know it. For specifics you can look at Japan’s current problems.

OldWiseGuy · Apr 9, 2020

renniks said:
He said be fruitful and multiply... that means have lots of kids... which requires lots of lovin'...

I thought it meant be gay and practice your arithmetic.

OldWiseGuy · Apr 9, 2020

Jonathan Walkerin said:
To maintain the society as we know it. For specifics you can look at Japan’s current problems.

I don't think we can (or should) maintain society as we know it. We have bit off more than we can chew.

I recall a young church member who had bought a small dairy farm and was having a hard time living off of the income. He had purchased several more cows in hopes of increasing his income. When that failed he sought the advice of an ag expert who advised him that his land wouldn't sustain the number of cows he had and that he should reduce his herd to what his land could support. He was buying expensive feed that he should have been growing himself. In the end his dairy operation did become more profitable, however he still had to work a part time job in order to make ends meet.

stevevw · Apr 9, 2020

BrotherD said:
We haven't overpopulated the earth, a majority just live in the cities. There is still a lot of land left. Depopulation is something the Elites has been pushing for a while now and is rather open about it. Men wants to take what God created and control it. God wants us to be fruitful and multiply as he spoke it to Noah.
Genesis 9:1 KJV — And God blessed Noah and his sons, and said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth.

When God told Noah to be fruitful and replenish the earth wouldn't that imply that he only wanted a limited number as the earth population before Noah would not have been great. Surely God didn't mean to populate the earth to the point that it puts a strain on it and pollutes the earth to the point of destroying it.

Though there is a lot of lands left that are unpopulated it is in harsh areas that are not human friendly. Besides isn't using up those bits of the earth that are left only going to make matters worse. I think the idea of using up all the earth and exploiting it is a worldly idea of building an earthly kingdom to fulfill human need rather than Gods Kingdom. So ultimately any kingdom on earth will end up crumbling and destroying itself.

This makes me wonder should Christians be a part of that. Hence should we be working towards populating the earth more or perhaps finding ways to reduce the burden? I know that the earth is really in the hands of humans who do not follow God and it is their domain to do whatever. Ultimately they will continue to use up the earthy as this is the nature of things because it is about meeting worldly needs and wants which consume and destroy.

Albion · Apr 9, 2020

Jonathan Walkerin said:
The problem is more of consumerism. US has 1/4 population of India but vastly higher rate of resource consumption.

...which, however, is what the Indians and plenty of other people aspire to! We in the West are actually the model for using resources in order to live life more productively, less wastefully, more enjoyably, and more beneficially towards the rest of the world's population.

Jonathan Walkerin · Apr 9, 2020

OldWiseGuy said:
I don't think we can (or should) maintain society as we know it. We have bit off more than we can chew.

Hard to predict where the society will go. Just imagine what the virtual reality entertainment will be in ten years and how that will affect people’s habits or need to socialize.

Don’t think that will do any favors to birth rates.

stevevw · Apr 9, 2020

Amittai said:
The older way of living was hunting and gathering in small nuclear families connected as clans and tribes.

As land disappeared under sea and as more land desertified (the Society for Interdisciplinary Studies can point you to earlier causes to which recent ones we hear about have been added) people had to fall back on more deliberate growing & herding. Temporarily there was a glut of bronze.

Throw in the steam age, mutant forms of capitalism . . .

Now we're here, God has sent the church to intercede maturely about all needs. There is potential for enough food, still.

Some of the Mongols turned half of Iran and Afghanistan into deserts in about 1240. The Ma'rib dam burst of about 550 (amidst manoeuvrings of failing empires) turned Yemen into a desert. Some benificent sheikhs would surely like to help, and people of good will would surely join in.

Inept means of irrigating salinated then desertified Mesopotamia.

I agree with brother D because where civilisation went wrong a few thousand years ago was the monopolising, centralisation, homogenising and tyrannising.

We understand relatively little about the spiritual atmosphere of some of the earlier times.

Maybe what has been happening in recent times with the GFC and now the coronavirus which is causing economic instability and the sudden change of life where we have to rethink how we live that people may be considering a more basic life. I know chickens and seeds have been selling out so people are wanting to provide their own food.

I reckon land sales may rise as people consider a more rural way of life. But I have a sneaking suspicion that things may go back to how they were once all this goes away. Still, I think what is happening now is not the last event that will impact many so maybe it is wise to rethink how we live.

Jonathan Walkerin · Apr 9, 2020

Albion said:
which, however, is what the Indians and plenty of other people aspire to!

Sure, but when they get there their birth rates drop to negative.

Overpopulation is a transitional problem and mostly limited to certain parts of the globe like sub Saharan Africa.

Albion said:
But life is to be lived and even the Bible teaches as much. The Earth is to be used, but judiciously.

Often excessive materialism is rather harmful to our quality of life nor is it hardly a judicious use of Earth.

If live is to be lived I would rather concentrate on experiences, well being, social relationships and meaningful work rather than collecting possessions.

Studies have shown that after certain point the increase in wealth shows no corresponding increase in happiness.

After your basic needs are met collecting extra stuff just because that’s how we are conditioned to do is rather silly when you think about it and we should rather concentrate getting those basic needs of people taken care of.

It is absurd seeing people starving on South Sudan and then see a commercial to buy some beauty product that would feed a South Sudanese family for a month.

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