‘Dictatorships often start in the face of a threat’: UN privacy chief warns...

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You're taking no less risk than atheists are. We could both be wrong and be damned by a god neither of us thought existed.
Believers can only be wrong if God lied to us, but we know that it's impossible for God to lie so we can be 100% guaranteed that every promise of God will come to pass exactly as He said it would.
 
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Believers can only be wrong if God lied to us, but we know that it's impossible for God to lie so we can be 100% guaranteed that every promise of God will come to pass exactly as He said it would.
They could also be wrong if they are mistaken and another deity exists which then damns them for their unbelief. As per the example in the post you quoted but whose content you ignored.
 
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They could also be wrong if they are mistaken and another deity exists which then damns them for their unbelief. As per the example in the post you quoted but whose content you ignored.
I can't be mistaken, because I don't decide anything. Believers don't have the luxury of going with the wind, we have to go in the direction and believe everything God tells us to.
I must have missed something, as I don't ignore anything deliberately.
 
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We want this type of outcome, otherwise we wouldn't have spend our decades scoffing at warnings, and ignoring opportunities for real progress (because we are distracted by our insecurities that turn us prejudiced and ignorant).

There is no way Americans do NOT want a Draconian future - who puts decades of work into something they don't want? You guys can't be serious about your worry after all of the people that have come, disappeared and died saying these same things decades earlier.

Rejoice; the world we worked so hard for is at hand.
 
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I can't be mistaken, because I don't decide anything. Believers don't have the luxury of going with the wind, we have to go in the direction and believe everything God tells us to.
I must have missed something, as I don't ignore anything deliberately.
What if you've gotten hold of the wrong book?
 
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What if you've gotten hold of the wrong book?
That's not possible, because God has already proved that He is the truth to me and billions of others.
It's not like I'm hoping to inherit eternal life in His Kingdom, I already have it so there's no room for any doubt.
 
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That's not possible, because God has already proved that He is the truth to me and billions of others.
It's not like I'm hoping to inherit eternal life in His Kingdom, I already have it so there's no room for any doubt.
That's about God. What about the book? Do you have faith in God? Or faith in a book and believe in God because the book says so?
 
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I can't be mistaken, because I don't decide anything. Believers don't have the luxury of going with the wind, we have to go in the direction and believe everything God tells us to.
I must have missed something, as I don't ignore anything deliberately.

People of differing religious views say very much the same thing.
 
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Mr Cannataci, quoted in the link, is certainly correct about the process. In the past we had war-time emergencies and the result was not dictatorship following the end of the war. Still, some of the less offensive steps taken at that time were actually not repealed, so it's not as though there was no lasting consequence.

In the current crisis, it is worrisome, to say the least, that people are justifying substantial limitations on freedom by claiming that a pandemic is a de facto war.

It isn't, but we see how easily a false analogy can be made, enforced, and...unfortunately...accepted by the public as a whole.

But there is still the question about how much of a reduction in freedom the American people will or would tolerate. In the past, I'd have said "not much" or "not very quickly."

But in the Bernie/AOC era when state governors -- not the president but governors and even mayors -- are issuing commands left and right, ordering police to apprehend lone joggers, or to confiscate private property simply because the one giving the order who didn't need it yesterday today says "we need it," and that's supposed to be good enough as an explanation, I cannot agree any longer that the descent into authoritarianism is unlikely.
 
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People of differing religious views say very much the same thing.
True, but Christ warned us about them. He said that there would be lots and lots of counterfeits.
There are only 2 religions in the world, one is Christianity and the rest are all the same because they all believe that they will get some reward if they do x y & z.
But Christians don't have to do anything, we just receive the gift of eternal life in paradise by believing in God.
 
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True, but Christ warned us about them.

Just as their doctrine warns them.

There are only 2 religions in the world, one is Christianity and the rest are all the same because they all believe that they will get some reward if they do x y & z.

Yeah, one needs to make those kinds of vast generalization and over simplifications to defend a hackneyed version of pascals wager.
 
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Just as their doctrine warns them.



Yeah, one needs to make those kinds of vast generalization and over simplifications to defend a hackneyed version of pascals wager.
OK, I respect your right to your opinion but I don't think we're going to agree on anything as we're poles apart. Is it OK if I include you on my prayer list, God knows everything about you so He will know exactly who I'm talking about.
It would cost you nothing to put God to the test, just humbly ask Him to reveal Himself to you. He has never turned anyone away before, so as it stands you have a billion times more chance of winning the highest lottery prize than being turned away from God.
 
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OK, I respect your right to your opinion but I don't think we're going to agree on anything as we're poles apart.

How magnanimous.

Is it OK if I include you on my prayer list, God knows everything about you so He will know exactly who I'm talking about.

Totally indifferent.

It would cost you nothing to put God to the test, just humbly ask Him to reveal Himself to you.

Wait, now we are to put it to the test? That one keeps on shifting.
 
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Believers can only be wrong if God lied to us, but we know that it's impossible for God to lie so we can be 100% guaranteed that every promise of God will come to pass exactly as He said it would.
This claim is neither logical nor rational. You are assuming that your interpretation of the Bible is correct and that the Bible is the word of God. The Bible may be just a work of man, just as the Koran and the Hindu Vedas are. That would not make God a liar if the Bible is wrong.
 
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True, but Christ warned us about them. He said that there would be lots and lots of counterfeits.
There are only 2 religions in the world, one is Christianity and the rest are all the same because they all believe that they will get some reward if they do x y & z.
But Christians don't have to do anything, we just receive the gift of eternal life in paradise by believing in God.
No, Christianity is only one of thousands, perhaps millions of religions. And you believe that you will get a reward if you do at least x and y. In fact you refuted your claim in your last sentence.
 
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This claim is neither logical nor rational. You are assuming that your interpretation of the Bible is correct and that the Bible is the word of God. The Bible may be just a work of man, just as the Koran and the Hindu Vedas are. That would not make God a liar if the Bible is wrong.
God has revealed Himself to all true believers, and His Spirit resides in each one of us. So we don't have any doubts or questions, as we have living proof.
God said that the earth and universe will pass away, but His Word will remain alive, true and all powerful forever.
 
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God has revealed Himself to all true believers, and His Spirit resides in each one of us. So we don't have any doubts or questions, as we have living proof.
God said that the earth and universe will pass away, but His Word will remain alive, true and all powerful forever.
That is a claim that you would need to support if you want anyone to take you seriously. That it is probably not true is shown by the countless different interpretations of the Bible that make the same claim. It leads to the logical fallacy of the "No True Scotsman".

And I am sorry but if you had "living proof" you could convince others. You may have some sort of evidence but it is far from proof. But we are far afield from the OP.
 
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True, but Christ warned us about them. He said that there would be lots and lots of counterfeits.
There are only 2 religions in the world, one is Christianity and the rest are all the same because they all believe that they will get some reward if they do x y & z.
But Christians don't have to do anything, we just receive the gift of eternal life in paradise by believing in God.
Whatever you do DON’T use the google machine to search for Zoroastrianism
 
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Whatever you do DON’T use the google machine to search for Zoroastrianism
I've heard of this old pagan religion before, it died just all the other false pagan religions do. The one true religion remains forever.
 
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