I said:
"Paul described his own body as "vile". Is your body vile a well?"
Could you just answer the question about whether your own body is vile? I don't care about either of your "hands".
I answered in post 190 that it is indeed vile.
It must be washed regularly, evacuated, see dentists and doctors, nails must be trimmed, hair cut, ears Q-tipped, etc'
The new glorified body won't have those needs.
So, your self deceived idea is that Paul was only referring to physical dirt and such.
Well, that's one way to avoid the obvious truth that you keep denying. But, since you are only fooling yourself, be by guest.
But the rational among us understand clearly what Paul was referring to. Considering Romans 7 and his comment about his body being "vile", we know he was referring to the very present sinful nature.
Sin causes the defilement of the vessel.
I thought your claim was that Paul was only referring to physical dirt that needs to be washed off.
The Holy Ghost won't reside in a defiled temple.
Of course He won't. That's why He can only reside in the new human spirit, the one that has been RE-born, RE-generated and IS sinless.
See? I always have a biblically based and very rational answer to your comments.
Believers, those born of God's seed, cannot bring forth the fruit of the devil. (1 John 3:9-10}
Specifically, the RE-born human spirit, where the Spirit resides, cannot sin.
Just because Christians need to clip their toe nails doesn't mean they sinned.
And Paul wasn't even thinking of his toenails. How absurd. But again, those who fool themselves won't see the issue.
From biblehub.com regarding the word translated "vile" in Phul 3:21 -
Thayer's Greek Lexicon
STRONGS NT 5014: ταπείνωσις
ταπείνωσις, ταπεινώσεως, ἡ (ταπεινόω), lowness, low estate (humiliation):
Luke 1:48;
Acts 8:33 (from
Isaiah 53:8);
Philippians 3:21 (on which see σῶμα, 1 b.); metaphorically,
spiritual abasement, leading one to perceive and lament his (moral) littleness and guilt,
James 1:10, see Kern at the passage (In various senses, by Plato, Aristotle, Polybius, Diodorus, Plutarch; the Sept. for עֳנִי.)
You are mixing needful actions for the preservation of God's temple with sin as ways of defilement.
Your answers are pathetic and ignore very obvious meanings.
We won't be judged for having dirty hair, but we will be for lying and stealing and adultery and coveting.
Why? Don't you believe that Christians cannot sin?
I don't recall offering 2 Cor 5:17 as proof of no sin, just as proof that all of the old man's mental make-up is gone.
Then your memory needs some Prevagen.
New creatures don't have wicked natures.
Not even 2 Cor 5:17 says that.
Yes, skin and bones are vile...in the sense that they are not Spiritual...which comparatively, won't be vile.
Sure. Just keep fooling yourself.
Your doctrine more than tolerates it, it demands it buy saying it is deception to even say one has no sin.
The deception is all on YOU, according to John. He said those who claim to be without sin are self deceived and have no truth in them.
But you are so self deceived, you can't even see the problem when very cleary stated.
His description was of those walking in darkness saying they have no sin.
They are deceived.
As is EVERYONE who "claims to be without sin."
Your opinion is self deceived.
My skin cannot force me to love anything above God.
It cant make me sin.
No. It's your sinful nature that leads you into sin.
James 1:13-16
13 When tempted, no one should say, “God is tempting me.” For God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does he tempt anyone;
14 but
each person is tempted when they are dragged away by their own evil desire and enticed.
15 Then,
after desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, gives birth to death.
16
Don’t be deceived, my dear brothers and sisters.
James was addressing believers. And even James gets into the picture about believers who are deceived. He tells believers DON'T be deceived. But you already crossed the line with your unbiblical claim of being without sin.
I said:
"Do you agree that there is a penalty for sin, or not?"
Then why can't you admit that being "free from sin" refers to being free from the penalty of sin"?
I said:
"Paul, the guy who describes his own flesh as vile is telling all believers to quit sinning. Which is only possible WHEN filled with the Spirit. But you just keep fooling yourself."
Well, I'm glad that you at least recognize that you have been fooling yourself.
Why would Paul tell believers to quit sinning? Your self deceived opinion is that Christians cannot sin.
So what does that say about sinners?
Nothing. Both believers and unbelievers sin.
That they don't have the Spirit.
No, only unbelievers don't have the Spirit.
I'm glad you have finally accepted that.
Go back and re-read my quote. Believers are only "sinless" WHEN they are filled with the Spirit. And that is not all the time.
Sinners are not "in" Christ.
No. Unbelievers are not in Christ.
13 And
you also were included in Christ when you heard the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation.
When you believed,
you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit,
14
who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God’s possession—to the praise of his glory.
In addition to explaining exactly who is "in Christ" (believers only), v.14 is a verse about eternal security.
They don't walk in the light, which is God.
Those who claim to be without sin are self deceived and have no truth in them. So, how can they walk in the light.
Those who have no truth in them CANNOT walk in the light. Without truth means WALKING IN DARKNESS.
They cannot say they have fellowship with God or that they have no sin.
No person who claims to be without sin can make this claim.
I was just reading Col 3:3-10, 12-17, which testifies of the commands to act like different people than we once were in the past.
Yes, we are commanded to. Because it isn't automatic nor guaranteed that we will.
The commandments of the Lord's apostle must seem like foolishness and wasted breath to those who can't realize continued sin will destroy them.
You are really fooling yourself. Those who do that cannot understand Scripture. As you demonstrate in every post.
