Every sin that has ever been done and ever will be done is forgiven through the cross!

Every sin that has ever been done and ever will be done is forgiven through the cross!

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Yesha

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I got the new heart after repentance, not before.

I think this is a dividing line for many as far as concerns our salvation! John tells in the beginning of his gospel that the new birth, regeneration, is of God and God alone. No will of man is responsible for the new birth.

12 But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God, 13 who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God. - John 1:12-13 (ESV)

I find the picture of birth helpful in that in no sense is a child conceived and born by an act or desire of his own will. Rather it is his parents, and ultimately God, who give him life. Later in John 3, Jesus speaks with Nicodemus on this issue and expressly states that the new birth is of necessity for having part in the kingdom of God.

3 Now there was a man of the Pharisees named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews. 2 This man came to Jesus by night and said to him, “Rabbi, we know that you are a teacher come from God, for no one can do these signs that you do unless God is with him.” 3 Jesus answered him, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God.”
Nicodemus then questions Jesus as to how it is possible to be born again, to which Jesus explains that regeneration by the Holy Spirit is necessary to enter the kingdom of God.

4 Nicodemus said to him, “How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother’s womb and be born?” 5 Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. 6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
Jesus goes on to say that the working of the Holy Spirit is something of a mystery, like the manner in which the wind moves. It is interesting to note that the same lemma (pneuma) is used for wind and Spirit.

7 Do not marvel that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’ 8 The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear its sound, but you do not know where it comes from or where it goes. So it is with everyone who is born of the Spirit.” - John 3:1-8 (ESV)

John's record tells us that regeneration is a work of God independent of man. We see no mention of faith, or any other condition, as a prerequisite for this new birth!
 
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I think this is a dividing line for many as far as concerns our salvation! John tells in the beginning of his gospel that the new birth, regeneration, is of God and God alone. No will of man is responsible for the new birth.

12 But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God, 13 who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God. - John 1:12-13 (ESV)

I find the picture of birth helpful in that in no sense is a child conceived and born by an act or desire of his own will. Rather it is his parents, and ultimately God, who give him life. Later in John 3, Jesus speaks with Nicodemus on this issue and expressly states that the new birth is of necessity for having part in the kingdom of God.

3 Now there was a man of the Pharisees named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews. 2 This man came to Jesus by night and said to him, “Rabbi, we know that you are a teacher come from God, for no one can do these signs that you do unless God is with him.” 3 Jesus answered him, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God.”
Nicodemus then questions Jesus as to how it is possible to be born again, to which Jesus explains that regeneration by the Holy Spirit is necessary to enter the kingdom of God.

4 Nicodemus said to him, “How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother’s womb and be born?” 5 Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. 6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
Jesus goes on to say that the working of the Holy Spirit is something of a mystery, like the manner in which the wind moves. It is interesting to note that the same lemma (pneuma) is used for wind and Spirit.

7 Do not marvel that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’ 8 The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear its sound, but you do not know where it comes from or where it goes. So it is with everyone who is born of the Spirit.” - John 3:1-8 (ESV)

John's record tells us that regeneration is a work of God independent of man. We see no mention of faith, or any other condition, as a prerequisite for this new birth!

Romans 10:9-10
that if you confess with your mouth Jesus Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved (born again, IOW get a new heart); for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation.
 
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Romans 10:9-10
that if you confess with your mouth Jesus Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved (born again, IOW get a new heart); for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation.
What leads you to believe that it means new heart and not be made righteous?
 
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Romans 10:9-10
that if you confess with your mouth Jesus Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved (born again, IOW get a new heart); for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation.

What Paul is speaking to in Romans 10:9-10 is our justification before God, not regeneration. We are justified by faith, which is to say that we are legally declared righteous by God an account of the work of Jesus Christ. His imputed righteousness is what justifies us, not our own righteousness. In the context in which Paul speaks, he links the instrumentation of faith, the means of our justification, to our salvation. In other words, whom God justifies by faith, he saves.
 
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Yes or no, please quote text to prove your point. This is not to be a Calvinism vs Arminian or limited atonement discussion, so please start a new thread if that's what you want to discuss. Neither is this to be a thread to promote universialism (everyone will be saved in the end). Please try to keep the guidelines.

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No sin is forgiven apart from Christ's sacrifice on the cross "the atoning sacrifice for our sins and not for our sins only but for the whole world" 1 John 2:2 NIV

But it is not true that every sin has been forgiven. "IF we confess our sins He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness" 1 John 1:9

Not everyone chooses to confess/repent and turn from sin.

And of course we have the Matthew 18 principle of "forgiveness revoked" also found in 1 Cor 9 at the end and Romans 11. (and Ezek 18)

So is your question on this thread "are all sins already forgiven"?
OR is it "if you get forgiveness of sins - will it be some way other than through the sacrifice of Christ"?
 
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What Paul is speaking to in Romans 10:9-10 is our justification before God, not regeneration. We are justified by faith, which is to say that we are legally declared righteous by God an account of the work of Jesus Christ. His imputed righteousness is what justifies us, not our own righteousness. In the context in which Paul speaks, he links the instrumentation of faith, the means of our justification, to our salvation. In other words, whom God justifies by faith, he saves.

A lot of theology ...
 
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Just asking.. it would seem I could be wrong that some things people are saying (verses) applies to after one has been found (born again)?

To the question yes every sin. The good news.. God gave His only son to take your punishment. He set you free. Those chains are gone. We keep looking at other things and THEN at Christ. We look at Him and everything else will fade away. Born again.. I only see feel hear ME..yet I am told there was a NEW creation created in Christ Jesus. I am told by God that HE now sees me pure holy righteous. I don't see it. I see nothing buy sin sin sin. He tells me He is faithful to what Christ did..for me.

I repent now not because He is holding my sins against me.. He does not. But.. I still can hurt Him. I live in this flesh..so.. that battle for now is on going. What He has started He will finish. So yeah.. left it at the cross praise GOD GLORY TO JESUS.
 
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Romans 10:9-10
that if you confess with your mouth Jesus Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved (born again, IOW get a new heart); for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation.

I love that text.
 
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No sin is forgiven apart from Christ's sacrifice on the cross "the atoning sacrifice for our sins and not for our sins only but for the whole world" 1 John 2:2 NIV

But it is not true that every sin has been forgiven. "IF we confess our sins He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness" 1 John 1:9

Not everyone chooses to confess/repent and turn from sin.

And of course we have the Matthew 18 principle of "forgiveness revoked" also found in 1 Cor 9 at the end and Romans 11. (and Ezek 18)

So is your question on this thread "are all sins already forgiven"?
OR is it "if you get forgiveness of sins - will it be some way other than through the sacrifice of Christ"?

It is "are all sins allready forgiven"?
 
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Friend, I am not quite certain if you intended to post more and hit reply prematurely or if this is intended to be a response by itself. Help me understand what you mean here. :)

Your understanding of Romans 10:9-10 seems so unnecessary theological and complicated, where the answer is really simple: "Confess Jesus Lord in your life and you will be born again".

This is how I got saved. I knew very little theology. All I knew was that Jesus had borne the sins of the whole world and that I wasn't going to heaven. I was devastated, God had been so kind and loving toward us, and I had lived a whole life without him. In my despair I called out to the Lord and He saved me and gave me a new heart.
 
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Your understanding of Romans 10:9-10 seems so unnecessary theological and complicated, where the answer is really simple: "Confess Jesus Lord in your life and you will be born again".

This is how I got saved. I knew very little theology. All I knew was that Jesus had borne the sins of the whole world and that I wasn't going to heaven. I was devastated, God had been so kind and loving toward us, and I had lived a whole life without him. In my despair I called out to the Lord and He saved me and gave me a new heart.
It doesn’t say “confess and be born again”. That’s the point. You can’t just isolate a verse and read into what you want.

Where did your faith come from that enabled you to believe the gospel?
 
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It doesn’t say “confess and be born again”. That’s the point. You can’t just isolate a verse and read into what you want.

Where did your faith come from that enabled you to believe the gospel?

Born again and saved is the same thing.

"with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation."

Things happened that pointed to the Bible being true. I started to believe it, but I wasn't yet saved. One day I gave my whole life to Jesus and got born again. Could I have done without God leading me to it? No!
 
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Born again and saved is the same thing.

"with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation."

Things happened that pointed to the Bible being true.

Good Day, Peter

Out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks... the new heart of flesh (given by God) , not the heart of Stone (desperately wicked).

Rom 10:8 But what does it say? “The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart” (that is, the word of faith that we proclaim); because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes and is justified, and with the mouth one confesses and is saved.

Jer 31:33 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the LORD: I will put my law within them, and I will write it on their hearts. And I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

Jer 20:9 If I say, “I will not mention him, or speak any more in his name,” there is in my heart as it were a burning fire shut up in my bones, and I am weary with holding it in, and I cannot.

The confession is a result of the heart which God puts, writes, and we "speak" as a result. He is the effective cause.

In Him,

Bill
 
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Good Day, Peter

Out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks... the new heart of flesh (given by God) , not the heart of Stone (desperately wicked).

Rom 10:8 But what does it say? “The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart” (that is, the word of faith that we proclaim); because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes and is justified, and with the mouth one confesses and is saved.

Jer 31:33 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the LORD: I will put my law within them, and I will write it on their hearts. And I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

Jer 20:9 If I say, “I will not mention him, or speak any more in his name,” there is in my heart as it were a burning fire shut up in my bones, and I am weary with holding it in, and I cannot.

The confession is a result of the heart which God puts, writes, and we "speak" as a result. He is the effective cause.

In Him,

Bill

Even so when you start to believe you need to give your whole life to Christ to get a new heart and be saved. Repentance.
 
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Even so when you start to believe you need to give your whole life to Christ to get a new heart and be saved.

Good Day, Peter

Brother you have that backwards...

God gives (cause) you a new heart ... you see and experience the effects of the new heart.

You give your life because of the new heart, not to get the new heart.

Jer 31:33 I will put my law within them, and I will write it on their hearts. And I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

Edit to add: When God adopts you you are all his that is the best part of adoption. When you are Born of the Sprint, you are God's child, much like your "fleshly" birth ( that profits you nothing).

In Him,

Bill
 
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Good Day, Peter

Brother you have that backwards...

God gives (cause) you a new heart ... you see and experience the effects of the new heart.

You give your life because of the new heart, not to get the new heart.

Jer 31:33 I will put my law within them, and I will write it on their hearts. And I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

In Him,

Bill

I would say the same to you. :)

I know when I got the new heart. How? I experienced it. It was after confession.
 
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