Why do Many Christians Ignore YHWH's Moedim?

Josheb said:

No, Zecheriah 14 is reported in the context of the Messiah's coming. The Messiah came inthe first century. Don't pick out individual verses from the chapter; read the chapter in its entirety in the context of its larger narrative. When Zecheriah was written it did not come with chapter and verse numbering.

Zechariah 14 begins with the statement, "Behold, a day is coming for the LORD when the spoil taken from you will be divided among you. For I will gather all the nations against Jerusalem to battle, and the city will be captured..." When did that happen? Is that not what happened in 70 AD? Why look for another fulfillment of something that has already transpired?

Near the middle of the chapter we read, "And the LORD will be king over all the earth; in that day the LORD will be the only one, and His name the only one." I have already quoted and cited several New Testament passages unequivocally stating Jesus is currently enthroned. Before he ascended he told the eleven ALL authority in heaven AND earth had been given to him (Mt. 28:18). John 3 tells us the one from above is above all and the Father has placed everything in his hands. Ephesians 1 states in raising His Son from the dead and seated him, "far above all principality and power and might and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this age but also in that which is to come." In 1 Peter 3 we are told Jesus "is at the right hand of God, with angels, authorities, and powers subject to Him." Zec. 14:9 has been fulfilled according to the NT. Not according to me; according to the NT!

A few verses later we read how after the nations have come against Jerusalem the survivors will "go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to celebrate the Feast of Booths." John 7 tells us the following,

John 7:1-39 (excerpted)
"1After these things Jesus was walking in Galilee, for He was unwilling to walk in Judea because the Jews were seeking to kill Him. 2Now the feast of the Jews, the Feast of Booths, was near. 3Therefore His brothers said to Him, 'Leave here and go into Judea, so that Your disciples also may see Your works which You are doing. 4For no one does anything in secret when he himself seeks to be known publicly. If You do these things, show Yourself to the world...' 10But when His brothers had gone up to the feast, then He Himself also went up, not publicly, but as if, in secret...... 37Now on the last day, the great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried out, saying, 'If anyone is thirsty, let him come to me and drink. 38He who believes in Me, as the Scripture said, ‘From his innermost being will flow rivers of living water.’ ' 39But this He spoke of the Spirit, whom those who believed in Him were to receive; for the Spirit was not yet given, because Jesus was not yet glorified."​

So we learn from Jesus himself the Festival of Booths or Tabernacles is about Jesus, the living bread of life and the life-giving water he brings in the Holy Spirit. All the law and the prophets (and Psalms) testify about Jesus. You're looking for something that has already been accomplished and while looking you're not living in the power of its fulfillment.

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Yet, all the Nations that come up against Jerusalem have NEVER in history all come to keep Sukkot every year...

Josheb said:

You're on record stating you don't think I'm interested. That is another personal attack. My op-reply is sitting in this thread ignored so don't be telling me I have no interest when I have repeatedly redirected everyone back to the op and my op-reply.

Tu quoque

Yes, and I have acknowledged it when you have. Sadly, little or none of it has anything to do with moedim.

The salient point was we agree on something and yet the choice was made to unnecessarily assume negative attributions that have nothing to do with moedim. I don't expect us to agree on everything. I do expect posters to stay op-relevant and form some semblance of op-relevant cohesiveness from post to post to post.

Go back through the posts. My op-reply is completely op-relevant and I attended to the actual content of every post received. If all those posts are read it will be seen that at some point the posts began to attack me personally. What mentions of posters by their handles I have posted have all had to do with specific content actually posted. At no point will I be found to have said, "You are...." in a derisive and dismissive manner.

Whereas I can quote specific comments about me personally that not only are not true, but no one in the internet could possibly know what I think unless and until it is posted.

And this very post to which I now reply is a case in point because there is not a single word in it related to this op or what I have posted about the moedim. If you, Yeshua HaDerkh, want to discuss the subject of this op then do so. No one is stopping you.....


... but you.


But if I read another personal attack I'll be moving on.

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Oh please, your own post above does the same thing you say I do. Tu quoque? Look in the mirror! You don't control this conversation no matter how much you think you do or need to. You want to move on? Then move on! No one is stopping you...but you. Don't blame me.

Yeshua HaDerekh said:

With Israel there has always been a punishment/forgiveness type scenario between God and His people. The 70 yr exile in babylon...then a return and the building of a new Temple, etc. Heaven and earth do pass away when it says a new heaven and a new earth come in Rev 21:1 so at some point that does become true. "Behold, I make all things new."

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I have yet to see anyone capable of effectively defending the idea that Jesus' words, about His coming to fulfill the Law rather than to abolish it, was a declaration that adherence to the Law was to continue by Jews and Gentiles given what Acts 15 clearly shows to us. Claiming that Yeshua never said adherence to the Law was to pass or transition is nothing but an argument from silence. Acts 15 makes it abundantly clear the meaning behind the many references to law in the New Testament, for in that chapter the sect of Pharisees and Peter made direct reference to the "Law of Moses" (Torah).

The Law of Moses clearly is still alive and valid for today, but as a curse against those who reject Christ and are not born again. Acts, Galatians and other sections of scripture give to us the balanced understanding of all the other references of "law" that happen to be referring to the Law of Moses (God's Law). Nit-picking other of the verses throughout that have the appearance for backing your claims when kept sepretate from these key sections I have mentioned, the merits of such argumentation fall flat.

Jr

Yeshua HaDerekh said:

Yet, all the Nations that come up against Jerusalem have NEVER in history all come to keep Sukkot every year...

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You're kidding, right?

This Sunday people ALL OVER THE WORLD will celebrate the resurrection of Christ. People all over the world celebrate the shelter of Christ, his bread and life-giving water every day. The gospel spread from a little pixel of a city that had been flattened and lay burning to cover the entire globe; it assimilated every competing worldview it has encountered and it will continue to do so for those who walk in its ower if those sitting on the sidelines waiting for something that has already happened will get out of the way.

It is the imagination that idealizes the passage and makes one believe Zec 14 is utopian. Utopia is on the other side of the grave. Where in the Bible have the seemingly glorious ideals ever been manifested? The heyday of David was not perfection. Neither was that of Solomon. The Jews imagined a glorious warrior-king Messiah that would restore and earthly kingdom and when he came ALL those prophesies turned out to be about his persecution, beating, torture, and suffering.

THAT was the reality of the seeming ideal.

Christianity is the ordinary wonder of life lived in victory here and now amidst a planet of corrupt people; the wheat among the weeds.


You are looking for holy days to be celebrated en masse among believers. Paul address this in his letter to the Romans,


One day every knee will bow and confess Jesus as Lord. Not all will confess him as Savior. It will not be utopia. That lays on the other side of the fiery lake.

We have liberty to celebrate holy days, like the moedim, but that is no longer a requirement. We have liberty not to celebrate the moedim. Those who celebrate should not judge those who do not and those who do not celebrate should not judge those who do. Whether we celebrate or not we do so to the Lord.

That is the New Testament standard.

Yeshua HaDerekh said:

Oh please, your own post above does the same thing you say I do. Tu quoque?

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Yep. Tu quoque. And you're still off-topic.