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Then tell me from the context (please be exact) what you think changes Blessed are the merciful for they will receive mercy” means something different. Thanks
He’s actually talking about those already saved. He not giving a list of things to do to get saved.
 
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He’s actually talking about those already saved. He not giving a list of things to do to get saved.
please show me where he specify where he’s only talking to the saved. The audience is most certainly mixed so where does he tell the audience he now doesn’t mean all of them. Thanks
 
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Since you don’t point it out, doubtful.
BBAS did.

But here it is again.

The Lord’s bond-servant must not be quarrelsome, but be kind to all, able to teach, patient when wronged, with gentleness correcting those who are in opposition, if perhaps God may grant them repentance leading to the knowledge of the truth, and they may come to their senses and escape from the snare of the devil, having been held captive by him to do his will.
— 2 Timothy 2:24-26

God grants repentance, then they come to their senses.
 
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BBAS did.

But here it is again.

The Lord’s bond-servant must not be quarrelsome, but be kind to all, able to teach, patient when wronged, with gentleness correcting those who are in opposition, if perhaps God may grant them repentance leading to the knowledge of the truth, and they may come to their senses and escape from the snare of the devil, having been held captive by him to do his will.
— 2 Timothy 2:24-26

God grants repentance, then they come to their senses.
Why does God grant this?
 
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please show me where he specify where he’s only talking to the saved. The audience is most certainly mixed so where does he tell the audience he now doesn’t mean all of them. Thanks

I said He was talking ABOUT the saved.
 
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Show me a scripture that’s says a man can be among the elect but not saved.
Before we get there, what do you think scripture means when it talks about the elect?
 
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If this is your definitive verse, define good and evil as is meant here.

To be expected.

You are clearly dodging the question, you can easily look the words up if you "truly" don't understand what they mean.

They've only been in our vocabulary since we were children.

Answer the questions or not, but in a sense, you already did.
 
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To be expected.

You are clearly dodging the question, you can easily look the words up if you "truly" don't understand what they mean.

They've only been in our vocabulary since we were children.

Answer the questions or not, but in a sense, you already did.
You posted a verse, with no context. I think it’s reasonable to ask for clarification. It’s better than assuming an understanding.

If you’d rather go ad hominem instead of having a discussion, that’s on you.
 
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You posted a verse, with no context. I think it’s reasonable to ask for clarification. It’s better than assuming an understanding.

If you’d rather go ad hominem instead of having a discussion, that’s on you.

Again, as expected.

The scripture is simple and straightforward, as are the questions.
 
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Again, as expected.

The scripture is simple and straightforward, as are the questions.
If it’s as straightforward as you say, then all are going to hell. All have committed evil deeds.
 
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You have no clue as to what any of the people around you say about anything? Really? How is this possible?
If people who actually see and experience your words and deeds don’t see this new heart, it isn’t there.
If you were in Him, you’d be aware of your words and behavior to those around you and how your words and behavior affect others. It’s part of loving your neighbor without which no man really loves God.


Good Day, Dorothy

So sorry I misunderstood yes I agree...

God by giving us a new heart and putting His Spirit has a direct effect on us yes.

He is the cause of these things (effects) being part of who we are as his people.

Eze 36:27 And I will put my Spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes and be careful to obey my rules.

In Him,

Bill
 
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Nope, that’s not it either. Jesus told those who had done good to go away, they had no relationship with Him.



Good Day, Dorothy

I disagree the text is quite clear here it is Jesus is never doing the "knowing", he never entered into relationship with them.. not sure it is fair to categorize workers of lawlessness, as good doers.

Mat 7:23 And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’

In Him,

Bill
 
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If it’s as straightforward as you say, then all are going to hell. All have committed evil deeds.

Please, don't.

You are being contrary now. I don't need to explain to you the concept of "living" in sin as opposed to making great effort not to sin and seeking forgiveness if we do.

Jesus died for a reason, to take away our sin but having faith in him as in doing what he says we must do is part of the deal, and the scripture above is what he says we must do.

Or, are you simply saying Jesus is wrong there?
 
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Please, don't.

You are being contrary now. I don't need to explain to you the concept of "living" in sin as opposed to making great effort not to sin and seeking forgiveness if we do.

Jesus died for a reason, to take away our sin but having faith in him as in doing what he says we must do is part of the deal, and the scripture above is what he says we must do.

Or, are you simply saying Jesus is wrong there?
I know what I know. What I don’t know is what you know. So I asked questions. If you want me to start assuming your understanding, that would most likely not end well. So instead of the vitriol, maybe we can just have a discussion.

If we are going to stick with the gospel according to John as a whole, then we know that any good we do is a result of God. He chose us. He gave us to His Son. His Son feeds us, and the Father prunes us. So in other words, goodness is indicative of who we are in Christ.

Any who do good are in Him. The evildoers are those without Christ. So it’s not that our good deeds merit us anything. They are just what happens when we are His.

See also the parable about sheep and goats. It’s the same principle.
 
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