Jerusalem will be trampled on by the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.

iamlamad said:

Don't be silly! OF COURSE Jesus did not lie. If He came next week it would still be "quickly" to Him.

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Then why say quickly? was He talking to Himself or to People on Earth?

There are over 100 NT passages affirming nearness, quickness, soonness... Why Say so over 100 times if it is meant to be MeaningLESS?

What else do you claim the Bible teaches repeatedly in over 100 passages that actually means the OPPOSITE of what it says? Can you find any other examples of this phenomenon to share with the class?

So you will form a doctrine from a single word? That is telling.

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Hardly. Myriad scriptures support Isaiah's claim of an ever increasing government of Jesus, for Scripture teaches that the earth and material cosmos will exist forever (Ecc 1:4; Ps 78:69; 89:36-37; 104:5; 148:4-6; Eph 3:21) and that human generations are unending and perpetual (Ps 145:13; Dan 4:3,34; Dan 7:14,18,27; Lk 1:33)

What is truly telling is that you either flat out ignore over 100 passages or spiritualize and metaphorize them away into meaningles arglebargle in order to prop up your Doctrine.

parousia70 said:

Rather, once again Polar opposite to your claims, Scripture says Jesus is the God of this world:

Ephesians 1:20-21
he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places, Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come

1 Peter 3:22
[Jesus] is at the right hand of God, having gone into heaven, after angels and authorities and powers had been subjected to Him.

Revelation 1:5
Jesus Christ...the ruler of the kings of the earth.

Matthew 28:18
And Jesus came up and spoke to them, saying, All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth.

Hebrews 2:14-15
He Himself likewise also partook of the same, that through death He might render powerless him who had the power of death, that is, the devil, and might free those who through fear of death were subject to slavery all their lives.

1 John 3:8
The Son of God appeared for this purpose, to destroy the works of the devil.

It's right there.
Quite plainly, Jesus is the God of this world.

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2 Corinthians 4:1 Therefore seeing we have this ministry, as we have received mercy, we faint not;
2 But have renounced the hidden things of dishonesty, not walking in craftiness, nor handling the word of God deceitfully; but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man's conscience in the sight of God.
3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
5 For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus' sake.
6 For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.
7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.

To use some of your own words---It's right there.
Quite plainly, satan is the god of this world.

You would have us believe that some of the above is actually meaning the following instead???

But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: In whom Jesus hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

Instead of meaning the following???

But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: In whom satan hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.


And what about the following?

John 18:36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.


Matthew 4:8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;
9 And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.

parousia70 said:

Rather, once again Polar opposite to your claims, Scripture says Jesus is the God of this world:

Ephesians 1:20-21
he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places, Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come

1 Peter 3:22
[Jesus] is at the right hand of God, having gone into heaven, after angels and authorities and powers had been subjected to Him.

Revelation 1:5
Jesus Christ...the ruler of the kings of the earth.

Matthew 28:18
And Jesus came up and spoke to them, saying, All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth.

Hebrews 2:14-15
He Himself likewise also partook of the same, that through death He might render powerless him who had the power of death, that is, the devil, and might free those who through fear of death were subject to slavery all their lives.

1 John 3:8
The Son of God appeared for this purpose, to destroy the works of the devil.

It's right there.
Quite plainly, Jesus is the God of this world.

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This is what I call cherry picking: pick out verses out of context to fit your theory.

Jesus called Satan the prince of this world, and Paul called him the god of this world. And finally, in our future, at the 7th trumpet, Satan will be kicked off his throne (as the god or prince of this world) and the planet given back to Jesus Christ.

2 Corinthians 4:4
In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

John 12:31
Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.

iamlamad said:

This is what I call cherry picking: pick out verses out of context to fit your theory.

Jesus called Satan the prince of this world, and Paul called him the god of this world. And finally, in our future, at the 7th trumpet, Satan will be kicked off his throne (as the god or prince of this world) and the planet given back to Jesus Christ.

2 Corinthians 4:4
In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

John 12:31
Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.

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DavidPT said:

2 Corinthians 4:1 Therefore seeing we have this ministry, as we have received mercy, we faint not;
2 But have renounced the hidden things of dishonesty, not walking in craftiness, nor handling the word of God deceitfully; but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man's conscience in the sight of God.
3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
5 For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus' sake.
6 For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.
7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.

To use some of your own words---It's right there.
Quite plainly, satan is the god of this world.

You would have us believe that some of the above is actually meaning the following instead???

But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: In whom Jesus hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

Instead of meaning the following???

But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: In whom satan hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.


And what about the following?

John 18:36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.


Matthew 4:8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;
9 And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.

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If there is only one true God, then he *must* be the God of this world.

You both are interpreting God's decision to permit his creatures to choose the gospel or face hell with the notion that He's not the God of this world. That's wrong. Go read all the verses I listed again:

Jesus Christ, not satan, is God and King over this world (over all of heaven and earth):

Matthew 28:18
And Jesus came up and spoke to them, saying, All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth.

Ephesians 1:19-23
He raised Him from the dead and seated Him at His right hand in the heavenly places, far above all rule and authority and power and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this age but also in the one to come. And He put all things in subjection under His feet, and gave Him as head over all things to the church, which is His body, the fullness of Him who fills all in all.

1 Peter 3:22
Jesus Christ, who is at the right hand of God, having gone into heaven, after angels and authorities and powers had been subjected to Him.

Revelation 1:5-6
Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth.

And note that even in the book of Job satan is an agent of God, not a god himself. (Read Job ch 1-2).

Since you don't believe the above verses mean what they SAY, please tell us what you believe they DO mean?

The FACT is, Jesus alone is God of the world. There is no other god. These other things are not gods at all, but mere preoccupations of men that keep them from knowing the Creator God.

Based on your statements I'm beginning to wonder if you both are pantheists (many gods) and not monotheists (only one God). The pagans have countless gods. But are they real gods? No. They are "so-called" gods, as Paul writes.

If you read Job 1&2, satan is not god but only an angel that carried out a specific role for God in the Old Covenant age: accusing the Hebrews of their uncovered sins, that they might be judged and receive the curses of the Law. But the New Covenant removed the curse of the Law from God's people (Gal 3:10-13), and thus St. Paul says of the Christian:
"Who will bring a charge against God's elect? God is the one who justifies; who is the one who condemns? Christ Jesus is He who died, yes, rather who was raised, who is at the right hand of God, who also intercedes for us. (Rom 8:32-34)

And John says "he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not" (1 Jn 5:18)

And Paul says that Jesus, having spoiled principalities and powers, made a show of them openly, triumphing over them in it" (Col 2:15). For, Jesus is "far above all rule and authority and power and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this age but also in the one to come." (Eph 1:20-21)

So, you are confusing the idea of God with the idea that people have made for themselves substitute things for God that are not gods at all but mere superstitions. There is only ONE God with actual authority and power over the whole world, and it's JESUS:

"And Jesus came up and spoke to them, saying, 'All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth'" (Matthew 28:18)

parousia70 said:

If there is only one true God, then he *must* be the God of this world.

You both are interpreting God's decision to permit his creatures to choose the gospel or face hell with the notion that He's not the God of this world. That's wrong. Go read all the verses I listed again:

Jesus Christ, not satan, is God and King over this world (over all of heaven and earth):

Matthew 28:18
And Jesus came up and spoke to them, saying, All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth.

Ephesians 1:19-23
He raised Him from the dead and seated Him at His right hand in the heavenly places, far above all rule and authority and power and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this age but also in the one to come. And He put all things in subjection under His feet, and gave Him as head over all things to the church, which is His body, the fullness of Him who fills all in all.

1 Peter 3:22
Jesus Christ, who is at the right hand of God, having gone into heaven, after angels and authorities and powers had been subjected to Him.

Revelation 1:5-6
Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth.

And note that even in the book of Job satan is an agent of God, not a god himself. (Read Job ch 1-2).

Jesus alone is God of the world. There is no other god. These other things are not gods at all, but mere preoccupations of men that keep them from knowing the Creator God.

Based on your statements I'm beginning to wonder if you both are pantheists (many gods) and not monotheists (only one God). The pagans have countless gods. But are they real gods? No. They are "so-called" gods, as Paul writes.

If you read Job 1&2, satan is not god but only an angel that carried out a specific role for God in the Old Covenant age: accusing the Hebrews of their uncovered sins, that they might be judged and receive the curses of the Law. But the New Covenant removed the curse of the Law from God's people (Gal 3:10-13), and thus St. Paul says of the Christian:
"Who will bring a charge against God's elect? God is the one who justifies; who is the one who condemns? Christ Jesus is He who died, yes, rather who was raised, who is at the right hand of God, who also intercedes for us. (Rom 8:32-34)

And John says "he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not" (1 Jn 5:18)

And Paul says that Jesus, having spoiled principalities and powers, made a show of them openly, triumphing over them in it" (Col 2:15). For, Jesus is "far above all rule and authority and power and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this age but also in the one to come." (Eph 1:20-21)

So, you are confusing the idea of God with the idea that people have made for themselves substitute things for God that are not gods at all but mere superstitions. There is only ONE God with actual authority and power over the whole world, and it's JESUS:

"And Jesus came up and spoke to them, saying, 'All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth'" (Matthew 28:18)

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If you don't believe Paul, that is between you and God. I am only telling you what Paul wrote.

Do you imagine that God's will is being done on earth today? Then why on earth are we praying "thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven..." He will is NOT being done on earth, because at this time Satan is the god of this world. Do you imagine this cornonavirus came from God? Sorry, God does not have any viruses! They come from hell. How many have died so far? Over 76000. Satan is the murderer from the beginning, not God. It is very plain to see that Satan is STILL the god of this world.

Maybe you don't understand Paul's meaning: I think his meaning is, satan is the spiritual LEADER of the world. He took (usurped) Adam's authority. OF COURSE Satan is not equal with God. I am not saying that. But it is a fact that Satan usurped Adam's position and his authority. Remember when Satan temped Jesus? he offered to give Him his authority over all the kingdoms of the world. How? Because at that time (and still today) Satan had legal possession.

When Jesus said that all authority was given to Him - OF COURSE it was. But God did not take over the world at that point in time, and kick Satan out. There is a time and place for everything God has planned. Jesus is waiting for the Father's timing. The day will soon come when Satan is kicked off his throne. But it has not happened yet. It CANNOT happen until many things written in Revelation happen first.

Jesus Christ, not satan, is God and King over this world (over all of heaven and earth): Then you are saying that Paul lied or did not understand. Sorry, but I think Paul understood more than you do. Stop and think: WHY would John show us that Jesus gets His planet back at the 7th trumpet in our future? Oh! Perhaps you think the 7th trumpet happened when Jesus rose from the dead?

DavidPT said:

Quite plainly, satan is the god of this world.

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Satan is no more the god of this world than money or wooden idol. God is the God of this world.

Psalm 24:1 The earth is the Lord’s and the fullness thereof, the world and those who dwell therein

As Parousia pointed out, prior to the cross, satan was able to deceive and test, in order that he might accuse those who failed to meet God's righteous standards. However, the righteous standards are now met in us through the cross, and thus satan can no longer accuse the elect.

After being cast out and stripped of his authority to accuse, satan's role included his same abilities of deceiving and testing, not to accuse gods people, but to persecute.

Revelation 12:12 Therefore, rejoice, O heavens and you who dwell in them! But woe to you, O earth and sea, for the devil has come down to you in great wrath, because he knows that his time is short!”

Revelation 12:17 Then the dragon became furious with the woman and went off to make war on the rest of her offspring, on those who keep the commandments of God and hold to the testimony of Jesus. And he stoodc on the sand of the sea.

Thus satan blinds the unbelievers......

2 Corinthians 4:4 In their case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, to keep them from seeing the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God

Ephesians 2:2 which you once walked, following the course of this world, following the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedience—

….and This blinding of unbelievers serves 2 main purposes:

a.) so that blinded unbelievers continue to believe what is false so that they may stand condemned
2 thessalonians 2:11-12 Therefore God sends them a strong delusion, so that they may believe what is false, in order that all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

b.) The blinded unbelievers persecute the church, in order to produce hope and endurance in the church through suffering and afflictions:

Romans 5:3-5 Not only that, but we rejoice in our sufferings, knowing that suffering produces endurance, and endurance produces character, and character produces hope, and hope does not put us to shame, because God’s love has been poured into our hearts through the Holy Spirit who has been given to us.


Therefore through satan's role under God's authority, God was/is displaying that:

1.) Of our own merit, we cannot meet His righteous requirements to avoid being charged, and thus need a savior.

2.) Sufferings, trials, and afflictions refine the church, causing us to cling to Him. Those who don't cling are the seed eaten by birds or sown on rocky ground.

claninja said:

Satan is no more the god of this world than money or wooden idol. God is the God of this world.

Psalm 24:1 The earth is the Lord’s and the fullness thereof, the world and those who dwell therein

As Parousia pointed out, prior to the cross, satan was able to deceive and test, in order that he might accuse those who failed to meet God's righteous standards. However, the righteous standards are now met in us through the cross, and thus satan can no longer accuse the elect.

After being cast out and stripped of his authority to accuse, satan's role included his same abilities of deceiving and testing, not to accuse gods people, but to persecute.

Revelation 12:12 Therefore, rejoice, O heavens and you who dwell in them! But woe to you, O earth and sea, for the devil has come down to you in great wrath, because he knows that his time is short!”

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Do you have any idea of the timing of 12:12? It will happen at the midpoint of the future 70th week! That is FUTURE, not PAST. There is a huge difference called TIME and the passing of time. Most people read through Revelation without one thought to TIME and TIMING.

Note carefully: the midpoint of the week cannot come until the first of the week comes.
The 70th week cannot start until the 7th seal on the book is opened.
The 7th seal cannot be opened until the 6th seal is opened. The earth is now between the 5th seal (Martyrs of the church age) and the 6th which starts the Day of the Lord.

You really need to learn God's TIMING.

iamlamad said:

Do you have any idea of the timing of 12:12? It will happen at the midpoint of the future 70th week! That is FUTURE, not PAST. There is a huge difference called TIME and the passing of time. Most people read through Revelation without one thought to TIME and TIMING.

Note carefully: the midpoint of the week cannot come until the first of the week comes.
The 70th week cannot start until the 7th seal on the book is opened.
The 7th seal cannot be opened until the 6th seal is opened. The earth is now between the 5th seal (Martyrs of the church age) and the 6th which starts the Day of the Lord.

You really need to learn God's TIMING.

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Here's God's TIMING. It appears that you've missed it.

Daniel 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined...

Strong's Exhaustive Concordance
determine
A primitive root; properly, to cut off, i.e. (figuratively) to decree -- determine.

i.e. 70 weeks are cut off. (Daniel 9:24)

Your prophecy is cut off at 69 weeks, not 70. Your 70th week is a result of decapitation at the 69th week.

It fails to satisfy the prophetic specification.

It is a futurized fantasy and fallacy.

jgr said:

Here's God's TIMING. It appears that you've missed it.

Daniel 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined...

Strong's Exhaustive Concordance
determine
A primitive root; properly, to cut off, i.e. (figuratively) to decree -- determine.

i.e. 70 weeks are cut off. (Daniel 9:24)

Your prophecy is cut off at 69 weeks, not 70. Your 70th week is a result of decapitation at the 69th week.

It fails to satisfy the prophetic specification.

It is a futurized fantasy and fallacy.

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Sorry, but you missed the very gap that Daniel himself wrote it. You need to camp out on Dan 9 until you understand this gap. The 90 AD event was penned by Daniel INSIDE the gap - after the 69 weeks but before the 70th.

iamlamad said:

Do you have any idea of the timing of 12:12? It will happen at the midpoint of the future 70th week!

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I agree satan is cast out of heaven during the mid point of the 70th week. I disagree it is future.

John 12:31-32 Now judgment is upon this world; now the prince of this world will be cast out. And I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all men to Myself.”

iamlamad said:

Sorry, but you missed the very gap that Daniel himself wrote it. You need to camp out on Dan 9 until you understand this gap. The 90 AD event was penned by Daniel INSIDE the gap - after the 69 weeks but before the 70th.

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What happened in 90 AD?

iamlamad said:

If you don't believe Paul, that is between you and God. I am only telling you what Paul wrote.

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Eph 2:2 and 2 Cor 4 are pointing out how people in unbelief are not yet saved and set free, not that satan was a ruling god of the planet as is your claim. Jesus defeated satan so that He rules over all demonic power (Jn 12:31; Matt 28:18; 1 Pet 3:22; 1 Jn 3:8; Heb 2:14-15; 2 Tim 1:10).

Scripture says Jesus is the God of this world. Paul wrote it:

Ephesians 1:20-21
he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places, Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come

It's right there. I'm only showing you what Paul wrote.
If you don't believe Paul, that is between you and God.

Do you imagine that God's will is being done on earth today? Then why on earth are we praying "thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven... He will is NOT being done on earth, ..."

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You couldn't be more wrong.
The religion and Kingdom of Christ began with a tiny band of 12 Apostles in a tiny country in the middle east almost 2000 years ago and has since extended all over our planet and cannot be stopped. No more is the Faith of Abraham restricted to a tiny country in the Middle East. It became universal and continues to grow and dominate. You and I have a role in the continuing expanse of Christ's kingdom by walking in the faith of our fathers, subduing kingdoms, and bringing people everywhere into obedience to the covenant. We are rulers and princes in God's holy nation (Matt 21:43; 1 Pet 2:9). We are the chosen, and the royal priesthood (1 Pet 2:5-10).

We Christians are not the defeated losers to Satan that you make us out to be. Instead, we are the partakers in Chirst's overwhelming victory and PRESENT rulership. Sadly it is You who are acting against God's Will when you preach a present "Defeat of Christianity, and victory of Satan" that is opposite to All apostolic teaching.

Thankfully, even your pessimism can't stop the rest of us from advancing our victory, moving forward and Doing His will each and every day. The victory presently belongs to you too lamad, even if you refuse to acknowledge it, the rest of us will continue to assure you partake in it.
There is nothing that can stop us.

Here are those passages again:

John 12:31
Now judgment is upon this world; now the ruler of this world will be cast out

Hebrews 2:14
since the children share in flesh and blood, He Himself likewise also partook of the same, that through death He might render powerless him who had the power of death, that is, the devil

Colossians 2:15
[And] having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them

1 Peter 3:22
[Christ] is at the right hand of God, having gone into heaven, after angels and authorities and powers had been subjected to Him

Matthew 28:18
And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

Eph 1:20-22
[God] set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places, Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come: And hath put all [things] under his feet

Revelation 1:5
Jesus Christ, [is]...the prince of the kings of the earth

Remember when Satan temped Jesus? he offered to give Him his authority over all the kingdoms of the world. How? Because at that time (and still today) Satan had legal possession.

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Prove this assertion from Scripture.
Scripture teaches the opposite, that is was the Death, burial and RESURRECTION of Christ that Stripped Satan of ALL Power.

When Jesus said that all authority was given to Him - OF COURSE it was. But God did not take over the world at that point in time, and kick Satan out.

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If you don’t believe Jesus' death and resurrection defeated Satan, then you must NOT believe you are now saved by his blood, and you instead believe that Satan can TODAY prevent Jesus from saving you. That Jesus is today completely powerless to save you! This is the inescapable conclusion of your position. Thankfully the truth testifies the EXACT OPPOSITE, affirming Satan was cast out, judged, spoiled and bound by Jesus Christ:

John 12:31
Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.

1 John 3:8
For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

Hebrews 2:14
Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same;
that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil.

Colossians 2:15
And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a show of them openly, triumphing over them in it.

Matthew 12:28-29
If I cast out demons by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God has come upon you...how can anyone enter the strong man's house and carry off his property, unless he first binds the strong man? And then he will plunder his house. (Jesus here claims to have bound satan and plundered his house)

2 Timothy 1:10
But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel

John 16:8,11
And when [the Holy Spirit] is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:...of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged

Acts 26:17-18
To the nations I now send you to open their eyes to turn them from darkness to light and from the power of satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins and inheritance among them who are sanctified by faith that is in me.

AGAIN, Jesus Christ, not satan, is God and King over this world (over all of heaven and earth):

Matthew 28:18
And Jesus came up and spoke to them, saying, All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth.

Ephesians 1:19-23
He raised Him from the dead and seated Him at His right hand in the heavenly places, far above all rule and authority and power and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this age but also in the one to come. And He put all things in subjection under His feet, and gave Him as head over all things to the church, which is His body, the fullness of Him who fills all in all.

1 Peter 3:22
Jesus Christ, who is at the right hand of God, having gone into heaven, after angels and authorities and powers had been subjected to Him.

Revelation 1:5-6
Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth. To Him who loves us and released us from our sins by His blood--and He has made us to be a kingdom, priests to His God and Father--to Him be the glory and the dominion forever and ever.

As for The Accuser, Who shall bring a charge against God's elect?

Romans 8:31-34
What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who is against us? He who did not spare His own Son, but delivered Him over for us all, how will He not also with Him freely give us all things? Who will bring a charge against God's elect? God is the one who justifies; who is the one who condemns? Christ Jesus is He who died, yes, rather who was raised, who is at the right hand of God, who also intercedes for us.

1 John 5:18
he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.

claninja said:

Thus satan blinds the unbelievers......

2 Corinthians 4:4 In their case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, to keep them from seeing the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God

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Before I can determine what all I might agree with in your post or not agree with in your post, I first need to be certain who you are saying the god of this world in this verse equals? Are you saying that God uses satan to blind unbelievers, thus God is the God of this world? Or are you saying that the god of this world, meaning satan, blinds unbelievers?

If one compares translations, I could be wrong, but I don't think you will find a single translation of this verse where any of the translators captitalized god in this part, yet they captilized God elsewhere in this same verse. That alone makes it undeniably obvious that not a single translator took god of this world to be meaning the same God in this part----who is the image of God. Jesus is the image of God, yet God is obviously meaning the Father here. It seems pretty silly then, if the translators meant the God of Abraham by this part, or if they even meant Jesus by this part---the god of this world---that they would not even bother captitalizing god in that part.

Per your translation it is not saying---In their case the Father has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, to keep them from seeing the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of the Father. It is instead saying---In their case, satan, the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, to keep them from seeing the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of the Father

DavidPT said:

Before I can determine what all I might agree with in your post or not agree with in your post, I first need to be certain who you are saying the god of this world in this verse equals? Are you saying that God uses satan to blind unbelievers, thus God is the God of this world? Or are you saying that the god of this world, meaning satan, blinds unbelievers?

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I'm saying satan is no more the god of this world than money or wooden idols. People are blinded by satan no more than they are blinded by money, or wooden idols.

God allows satan to exist, just like he does idols and money, for a purpose. Prior to the cross, the purpose was to test, deceive, and accuse those who failed to meet the righteous standards. I believe this purpose points right back to Christ, that we cannot, on our own, meet God's righteous standards, and thus need a savior.

Post the cross, satan was cast out and stripped of authority to accuse the elect, thus satan's purpose was deceive, test, and persecute the church. These trials, sufferings, and afflictions result in endurance and hope for God's elect.

DavidPT said:

In their case, satan, the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, to keep them from seeing the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of the Father

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I don't believe anything occurs outside God's will. Thus the blinding of unbelievers is allowed under God's will.

2 thessalonians 2:11-12 Therefore God sends them a strong delusion, so that they may believe what is false, in order that all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.