I am obsessed over this virus because I am afraid

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Just trying to clarify, not debate.

Sure. :)

I do not think the economic system we've chosen for ourselves is consistent with the values of the Kingdom of Heaven, and the advent of this virus is exposing those inconsistencies. However, within the context of making the best of what we've got, you are right that there needs to be balance between dealing with the virus (e.g. social distancing) while also keeping the economy going.

The problem I had with RickyM's comments was that he was not suggesting solutions for balance, but rather proclaiming the problem to be less than it really is for the sake of getting back to work (i.e. making money). That is not balance. While it is true that there are sure to be many unreported cases (which would lower the morality rate), there are also sure to be many unreported deaths (for a variety of reasons, which would increase the mortality rate). Because most of the world responded slowly and lackadaisically to this outbreak (especially in the area of testing) it's not possible to go back and measure how many cases there actually were so the question is, do we assume the mortality rate is lower, using that assumption to give the all clear to go back to work because hey, even if you get sick you're less likely to die? The economy will still take a hit in this scenario either way, but if the assumption is wrong, many more people will die as well. Or do we assume the death rate is higher and take appropriate actions? If we're wrong, the result will be that the economy took more of a hit than it could have, but not much more.
 
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In any conversation it pays to listen carefully to what people say about money, as that generally informs all their decision making (even if/when they themselves do not realize it).

The purpose behind insisting that the virus is not as deadly as the currently known mortality rate is to suggest that it's not bad enough to stop people from going to work, which in turn will result in the economy churning on as usual which will result in money. I get that if we're not making profit then we're not earning our right to live (i.e. we're not earning a living), which in itself should inform people as to just how distorted our economic system is compared to the values of Heaven, where we're meant to help one another because of love and not a fear of starving to death.

As the saying goes, it is difficult to convince a person to understand something when his salary depends on him not understanding it.
I'm retired. I'm not dependent on working. So guess again.
 
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The problem I had with RickyM's comments was that he was not suggesting solutions for balance, but rather proclaiming the problem to be less than it really is for the sake of getting back to work (i.e. making money).

That is not balance.

If that's your take-away, and what you're still sticking with, then you're listening to yourself and not to me. A serious, serious problem these days. People listen/read to respond, not to hear.

I'm sorry, there are lots of people preaching doom and gloom and people are panicking because of it. Balance comes in exposing the other side, the side that says maybe it's not all doom and gloom. You don't find balance by adding more weight to the heavy side.

And with that I'm done with this exchange. God bless you and keep you safe.
 
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Thank you very much. My mom is very healthy as well. She lives outside of town and she is not afraid to die if she does.

I think you are right about being around family. But when I am around family I will use precautions and safety. My mom does. She covers her mouth and uses gloves. She is even going to start wearing sunglasses.

But at the same time, I am afraid of giving it to my mom. My mom is very vulnerable. She has high blood pressure, plus she is elderly. She is using every precautions now.

Yeah, I also agree with you about how we should keep ourselves in form to a degree. But we should also not obsess over it.

It is hard to accept that I can't control everything. But I can try to keep myself safe. So, I am going to try to relax.

Great to hear. Yes, ofcourse take precautions around your mum then but that shouldn’t stop you from seeing her. Need to be around fam.

Hope you feel a bit better now. It is stressful but just got to relax. I’m pregnant & have to go into the hospital every fortnight where they have the virus so I do understand people’s concerns.
 
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I am terrified. All I can think about is this virus that's going around. It is in my town right now and so far two people have found to be positive with this virus. I am afraid to go shopping. I won't even spend time with my family. My mom has invited me to go and spend time with her, and she is a widow. But I won't do it. I won't let anyone touch me. I am obsessed with washing my hands every second of the day. My hands are starting to crack.

I am healthy physically right now. But mentally I think I'm going to have a breakdown. I keep getting news about so many people dying and how the death toll is increasing. I took the trash out and some stuff flew in my face. That freaks me out. I washed my face but I know that if I end up with a virus, washing it won't stop it.

I don't know what advice you can give me. But any encouraging or advice will be helpful. Thank you very much.
well sir you can start your walk out of the life dominated by the spirit of fear by renouncing your democratic mentality it is an advancing stage of mental illness and it keeps getting worse as you go on In life it is driven by evil spirits and you can repent of you sinfulness renounce it and ask Jesus to forgive you of the wicked way of thinking and ask him to put within you a love for his Word you see the Authorized Version of the Bible and Jesus are one and the same if you dont love His Word you dont Love Jesus then you need to ask Him to fill you with the Holy Spirit with the evidence of speaking in tongues then you have to make some sound decisions in your life and they are decisions that only your can make you have to make the choice to be a disciple of Jesus and if you do he will fill that hunger in your heart with his love and wisdom because its written those that hunger and this for righteousness shall be filled and he stands over his Word to preform it and you have to seek out some healthy minded people that have a love for the Lord Jesus of the Bible and for you remember you can't learn anything from those that dont know anything its a battle that we are in and the battle is for the mind but you can be the beautiful person that our loving Heavenly Father has call you to be im one that the Loving Lord Jesus has brought back from a life of drugs and hatred and mental anguish and giving me a beautiful life im 75 now and can perhaps assist you in the way out of the darkness that is upon us today kind regards gary
 
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Hi Ricky M. I understand that you've said you're done with this exchange. I respect that. However, I feel that your position is one that is quite popular and important, so I'd like to reply in the spirit of responding to the issue and hope that, (although I'm quoting your words), you will not see my response as directed at you personally.

I'm sorry, there are lots of people preaching doom and gloom and people are panicking because of it. Balance comes in exposing the other side, the side that says maybe it's not all doom and gloom. You don't find balance by adding more weight to the heavy side.

I agree that there is always a temptation to get in to doom and gloom. We are an emotional species tending toward drama, gossip, and sensationalism. The media, in particular, has a problem with this because their income depends largely on how much attention they can attract to their various publications (whether in print, online, or via TV screens); this creates a pretty strong conflict of interest which is precisely why there's an emphasis on journalistic integrity. Sometimes they get it right. Sometimes they get it wrong.

This is the challenge we, the general public, face; we have a responsibility to learn how to discern what is accurate and what is not, but most of the time it's not so black and white; there will be large swathes of grey areas where the information may be mostly accurate or somewhat inaccurate. There are doom-and-gloomers who benefit from exploiting people's fears (e.g. media sensationalism and con-men who want you to be too afraid to think carefully before buying what they're selling), but on the other end of the spectrum there are also deniers who benefit from minimizing legitimate concerns.

This is why it's important to always ask, "what's the motivation"? That's why I harped so much on your comments about the economy being ruined; a financial motivation is what's causing you to believe that the virus is not as dangerous as the data demonstrates. You've made a reasonable point that the number of cases could be much higher than what the data presently shows which would lower the mortality rate; that's a fair point. But, you did not acknowledge that the death rate could also be significantly under-reported, which would result in a higher mortality rate. It makes sense that if a person dies from an undiagnosed case of covid-19, then that death would also not be attributed to covid-19, thus balancing the inconsistency; the case was not reported, but then again neither was the death.

Your unwillingness to recognize this logic suggests that your comments about the ruined economy really are affecting your ability to process the data in an unbiased way. I understand you've said that you're not working so you're not affected by job loss, but that is not the whole truth. If you really believed you're not affected you would not complain about the economy in the first place. You are not an island unto yourself; you depend on the goods and services provided by all the other people around the world who are affected by the loss of jobs, services, and materials. That is your motivation. You do not want to be inconvenienced by a ruined economy so you choose to support a theory which is likely to get the economy back on track sooner rather than later.

In your efforts to re-start the economy (so akin to Donal Trump's insistence) is blinding you to the bigger picture in that, even IF the mortality rate is somewhat inflated, that still does not address the very high R0 (the rate of spread of the virus; the higher the R0 the more people will be infected. If a virus has an R0 of 4, that means 1 infected person will spread it to 4 others). Just because a person may be less likely to die from the disease in an ideal medical environment with sufficient treatment does not mean the danger is minimized. If you have people going back to work in a very public way (i.e. getting the economy out of ruin) then you're gonna have many, many, many times more infections, which in turn will flood the hospitals. In that situation, there will not be ideal medical conditions. Doctors and nurses will eventually become too sick to work (even if they do not die) which will put further strain on the system. When enough people flood the system, then even those who are not infected with covid-19 will not be able to get the treatment they need which will further increase the morality rate, indirectly.

This will end up putting the economy into even further ruin along with many more lives lost than what should have been necessary to fix the problem.

In other words, your short-term desire to see the economy back in action is blinding you to the long term consequences. This is not fear-mongering. These are necessary considerations which are difficult to sort through, but just because they are difficult does not mean you should stick your head in the sand and then convince yourself that it's okay because you don't want to be part of the "fear mongering".

God gives us a spirit of sound mind; we should be using it properly.
 
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I am terrified. All I can think about is this virus that's going around. It is in my town right now and so far two people have found to be positive with this virus. I am afraid to go shopping. I won't even spend time with my family. My mom has invited me to go and spend time with her, and she is a widow. But I won't do it. I won't let anyone touch me. I am obsessed with washing my hands every second of the day. My hands are starting to crack.

I am healthy physically right now. But mentally I think I'm going to have a breakdown. I keep getting news about so many people dying and how the death toll is increasing. I took the trash out and some stuff flew in my face. That freaks me out. I washed my face but I know that if I end up with a virus, washing it won't stop it.

I don't know what advice you can give me. But any encouraging or advice will be helpful. Thank you very much.
Read the Bible and stay in Prayer. Death has no hold. Death is victory. Heard this a thousand times too, though it is right. Fact is I came to terms with death over 20 years ago now at 19 years of age. Pray, Read the Bible, Turn off the News, Worship, and give Satan no foothold. Laugh, Love, and just be free... Jesus loves us and he has us, does that mean we all live, no but it allows us to realize that Death is not the end and we go on. Forgive people take this time to sit down and just forgive people of all the things they may have done to you. Man the time now is to stay in prayer and throw the cellphone to the side and get off the computer if it keeps this cycle going. Your a Kings Kid :) .
 
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Greetings Brother!
Fear is a product of unbelief....put any fearful thought into captivity and put His Word in your mouth and let His Word be your confession.
Psalm 91 is an excellent chapter to read and confess daily and when fear tries to enter your mind read it out loud and remind yourself He puts His angels charge over you to protect you.
Psalm 91 King James Version (KJV)
91 He that dwelleth in the secret place of the most High shall abide under the shadow of the Almighty.

2 I will say of the Lord, He is my refuge and my fortress: my God; in him will I trust.

3 Surely he shall deliver thee from the snare of the fowler, and from the noisome pestilence.

4 He shall cover thee with his feathers, and under his wings shalt thou trust: his truth shall be thy shield and buckler.

5 Thou shalt not be afraid for the terror by night; nor for the arrow that flieth by day;

6 Nor for the pestilence that walketh in darkness; nor for the destruction that wasteth at noonday.


7 A thousand shall fall at thy side, and ten thousand at thy right hand; but it shall not come nigh thee.

8 Only with thine eyes shalt thou behold and see the reward of the wicked.

9 Because thou hast made the Lord, which is my refuge, even the most High, thy habitation;

10 There shall no evil befall thee, neither shall any plague come nigh thy dwelling.


11 For he shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee in all thy ways.

12 They shall bear thee up in their hands, lest thou dash thy foot against a stone.

13 Thou shalt tread upon the lion and adder: the young lion and the dragon shalt thou trample under feet.

14 Because he hath set his love upon me, therefore will I deliver him: I will set him on high, because he hath known my name.

15 He shall call upon me, and I will answer him: I will be with him in trouble; I will deliver him, and honour him.

16 With long life will I satisfy him, and shew him my salvation.


I pray this encourages you to trust in Him....
And remember His Word is LIFE..
Romans 3:3-4
3 For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect?

4 God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.

(Don't let the words out of mans mouth be your truth....trust in His Word and His Word alone)

Philippians 4:6-8
6 Be careful for nothing; but in every thing by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known unto God.

7 And the peace of God, which passeth all understanding, shall keep your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus.

8 Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things.

(take your thoughts and your fears to God and put it in His hands and let His peace enter in your heart and mind).

God Bless
please you made the the statement that fear is the product of unbelief that is not so the Authorized Bible states that fear is spirit For god has not given us the spirit of fear but of power and love and a sound mind
 
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Hi Jesse
In the natural, the death rate is not certain for this virus. Estimates are around .5% to as high as 6% or so. If only the worst cases get tested, then many catch it and do not die but may not be counted in the death rate. Remember too that most of the people that die are elderly. Jesus has got your back on this. Every time you find yourself worrying, just cast your care on the Lord. The fear of the virus is going to be a positive force in your life as you will learn to overcome your fears. You are going to be strong and not pushed around by the fear of life or the wiles of the devil. You are going to make it through. Furthermore, I do believe you are humble and this is the Lord's promise. The enemy in this case is the fear of the virus and god is going to perfect it, meaning he is going to make it be null and void in your life.

Psalm 138:6-8 (KJV)

6 Though the LORD be high, yet hath he respect unto the lowly: but the proud he knoweth afar off.
7 Though I walk in the midst of trouble, thou wilt revive me: thou shalt stretch forth thine hand against the wrath of mine enemies, and thy right hand shall save me.
8 The LORD will perfect that which concerneth me: thy mercy, O LORD, endureth for ever: forsake not the works of thine own hands.
 
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I put this in another thread, but I will also put it here for it is applicable to your situation.
-- START --
I would encourage you to read Psalm 91, at this time. God has been giving the Psalm to minister, after minister, as an example a local church last night just put up on their facebook page that God had impressed upon them that the Psalm is for this season. And it is not only pastors who are getting this verse, a lady from our church got it, people on this forum who seek the LORD have got it. When I did my first message on Coronavirus the LORD put it on my mind too.

I believe, it is God’s message to the church. We need to be faithful in seeking the LORD, and stand in faith on His promise to us.

Psa 91:1-16 Live under the protection of God Most High and stay in the shadow of God All-Powerful. Then you will say to the LORD, "You are my fortress, my place of safety; you are my God, and I trust you." The Lord will keep you safe from secret traps and deadly diseases. He will spread his wings over you and keep you secure. His faithfulness is like a shield or a city wall. You won't need to worry about dangers at night or arrows during the day. And you won't fear diseases that strike in the dark or sudden disaster at noon. You will not be harmed, though thousands fall all around you. And with your own eyes you will see the punishment of the wicked. The LORD Most High is your fortress. Run to him for safety, and no terrible disasters will strike you or your home. God will command his angels to protect you wherever you go. They will carry you in their arms, and you won't hurt your feet on the stones. You will overpower the strongest lions and the most deadly snakes. The Lord says, "If you love me and truly know who I am, I will rescue you and keep you safe. When you are in trouble, call out to me. I will answer and be there to protect and honor you. You will live a long life and see my saving power."

--- END ---

You are God's son, claim your birth right. If you get sick claim God's promise of healing. I claim it every day, apply God's promises, don't give in to fear.

I am not saying don't be wise, obey your governors and governments, do as they say. But know that your protection is ultimately from the LORD.
 
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Unless you have a weakened immune system, you will get the flu and recover as the majority do. You are more at risk of being a carrier to an elderly person or baby, who the virus would threaten. So, protect yourself to protect and infants, elderly parents, anyone you know with compromised immune systems, or pregnant women.

Remember H1N1? Had it. It was like getting the flu. Got better in 3 days, like the flu. Again, the point was to stay home to not infect people at risk
 
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Although God works through most things that happen in the world or in our daily life to bring people to a greater understanding of Him, His Ways, His Purpose, and His Will – to draw them to Him – working through something and causing it to happen are two different things.



There are those individuals who have promoted the idea, then later declared, this virus to be a judgement from God. Yet, God Himself has made no such declaration, if He had there would be more than a handful, relatively so to speak of, of ministers making this claim and the word would have came to the prophets and prophetess first – of which one of those making these claims against God has admitted he does not hold the mantle of.



God is Sovereign, of that there is no doubt, but most people do not have a truly balanced understanding of how God’s Sovereignty works, which has led some to think the Bible contradicts itself or distorted their understanding of God in general. God can do all things, God can make all things happen, God can change anything, that does not mean God does. Mankind often uses the idea of God’s Sovereignty to excuse their own conduct. Just because God displays or uses His Sovereignty in one area does not mean He displays or uses His Sovereignty in everything, note the word everything.
 
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You are not the only one. And many people have financial fear on top of the health fear. We are all vulnerable. We have to develope some ways to not let our minds get in a negative spiral. For me, music and exercise seem most effective, and of course, intense prayer.
 
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Greetings Brother!
Fear is a product of unbelief....put any fearful thought into captivity and put His Word in your mouth and let His Word be your confession.
Psalm 91 is an excellent chapter to read and confess daily and when fear tries to enter your mind read it out loud and remind yourself He puts His angels charge over you to protect you.
Psalm 91 King James Version (KJV)
91 He that dwelleth in the secret place of the most High shall abide under the shadow of the Almighty.

2 I will say of the Lord, He is my refuge and my fortress: my God; in him will I trust.

3 Surely he shall deliver thee from the snare of the fowler, and from the noisome pestilence.

4 He shall cover thee with his feathers, and under his wings shalt thou trust: his truth shall be thy shield and buckler.

5 Thou shalt not be afraid for the terror by night; nor for the arrow that flieth by day;

6 Nor for the pestilence that walketh in darkness; nor for the destruction that wasteth at noonday.


7 A thousand shall fall at thy side, and ten thousand at thy right hand; but it shall not come nigh thee.

8 Only with thine eyes shalt thou behold and see the reward of the wicked.

9 Because thou hast made the Lord, which is my refuge, even the most High, thy habitation;

10 There shall no evil befall thee, neither shall any plague come nigh thy dwelling.


11 For he shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee in all thy ways.

12 They shall bear thee up in their hands, lest thou dash thy foot against a stone.

13 Thou shalt tread upon the lion and adder: the young lion and the dragon shalt thou trample under feet.

14 Because he hath set his love upon me, therefore will I deliver him: I will set him on high, because he hath known my name.

15 He shall call upon me, and I will answer him: I will be with him in trouble; I will deliver him, and honour him.

16 With long life will I satisfy him, and shew him my salvation.


I pray this encourages you to trust in Him....
And remember His Word is LIFE..
Romans 3:3-4
3 For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect?

4 God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.

(Don't let the words out of mans mouth be your truth....trust in His Word and His Word alone)

Philippians 4:6-8
6 Be careful for nothing; but in every thing by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known unto God.

7 And the peace of God, which passeth all understanding, shall keep your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus.

8 Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things.

(take your thoughts and your fears to God and put it in His hands and let His peace enter in your heart and mind).

God Bless
Great verses there! The Psalms are such a spiritual resource: such a range of human experience in faith.

Philippians is also among my favorite Epistles.
 
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I put this in another thread, but I will also put it here for it is applicable to your situation.
-- START --
I would encourage you to read Psalm 91, at this time. God has been giving the Psalm to minister, after minister, as an example a local church last night just put up on their facebook page that God had impressed upon them that the Psalm is for this season. And it is not only pastors who are getting this verse, a lady from our church got it, people on this forum who seek the LORD have got it. When I did my first message on Coronavirus the LORD put it on my mind too.

I believe, it is God’s message to the church. We need to be faithful in seeking the LORD, and stand in faith on His promise to us.

Psa 91:1-16 Live under the protection of God Most High and stay in the shadow of God All-Powerful. Then you will say to the LORD, "You are my fortress, my place of safety; you are my God, and I trust you." The Lord will keep you safe from secret traps and deadly diseases. He will spread his wings over you and keep you secure. His faithfulness is like a shield or a city wall. You won't need to worry about dangers at night or arrows during the day. And you won't fear diseases that strike in the dark or sudden disaster at noon. You will not be harmed, though thousands fall all around you. And with your own eyes you will see the punishment of the wicked. The LORD Most High is your fortress. Run to him for safety, and no terrible disasters will strike you or your home. God will command his angels to protect you wherever you go. They will carry you in their arms, and you won't hurt your feet on the stones. You will overpower the strongest lions and the most deadly snakes. The Lord says, "If you love me and truly know who I am, I will rescue you and keep you safe. When you are in trouble, call out to me. I will answer and be there to protect and honor you. You will live a long life and see my saving power."

--- END ---

You are God's son, claim your birth right. If you get sick claim God's promise of healing. I claim it every day, apply God's promises, don't give in to fear.

I am not saying don't be wise, obey your governors and governments, do as they say. But know that your protection is ultimately from the LORD.
God does not contradict Himself. God is not wishy-washy. Therefore, if a person is hearing God tell them one day that Covid-19 is His judgment, then another day hearing God tell him that Covid-19 has its origins in a natural cause, then on yet another day hearing God stating no it is My judgment on homosexuality, that can't be God, God doesn't work that way and He doesn't contradict Himself that way or at all. Someone hearing all of these contradictory voices would be wise to seek a more mature Christians help and refrain from sharing what they are hearing because something is wrong with their ability to hear from God. And other people would be wise not to take that person's comments as anything from God.
 
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God does not contradict Himself. God is not wishy-washy. Therefore, if a person is hearing God tell them one day that Covid-19 is His judgment, then another day hearing God tell him that Covid-19 has its origins in a natural cause, then on yet another day hearing God stating no it is My judgment on homosexuality, that can't be God, God doesn't work that way and He doesn't contradict Himself that way or at all. Someone hearing all of these contradictory voices would be wise to seek a more mature Christians help and refrain from sharing what they are hearing because something is wrong with their ability to hear from God. And other people would be wise not to take that person's comments as anything from God.

People can make up their own mind, about the way I sought God. I have put it all honestly here, so people can make up their own mind.

I will first show through historical stories, that God has used the method of visions, or His spoken voice to communicate with me. I then will describe what I think of the virus. Not that past experiences or even current, are a complete indicator of true revelation, we can make mistakes. I have a degree of certainly, enough to say what I think.


One morning I got up and walked into the hall and I heard a voice that I believed was God say "How would you like to be stabbed in the Valley". The Valley was known as the rough end of town, and the voice scared me a little, I wondered if I had done something to offend God. I had planned to go down to the Valley to ask people out to church as was my habit at the time. In the end I went anyway regardless of the fear. I walked up to the first person I met and asked him if he would like to go out to church. He said to me "I am an atheist, I don't believe in God". I just said "fine", but hoped to change his mind. He then proceeded to unbutton his shirt and showed me scar marks up and down his chest and stomach. He said to me, "I was attacked by a knife wielding man in the Valley some time ago and spent months recovering in hospital, How could God allow that to happen to me". Then I knew why God had said in the morning "How would I like to be stabbed?". God understood this man, but had a good plan for him. Some weeks latter this man came out to church and became a Christian.


He has also spoken to me in the past via a “voice” based method. Seen here in these two examples:


Some time after the second Gulf War an Australian man Douglas Wood was captured by terrorists in Iraq, who made demands for a ransom or he would be executed. I set about fasting and praying for his release, I said to God "You know where he is....tell me". Three words entered my mind ABC, Bazaar and "a meal". I thought "I am going crazy what has all that got to do with him. Bazaar I though "this is Bizarre". I thought maybe "a meal" is a town so I searched a map of Iraq for a town of that name, but found nothing that really matched. Some time latter Douglas Wood was freed by US troops who came across his captors. It was not until latter that I actually discovered what the three words meant. I was on a forum libertyunites.us and came across a post by a user called ABC in the post she appealed to the terrorists to release Douglas Wood because she had seen him go to a Bazaar (another name for shop) and bought food (sausages I think it was) for disadvantaged people and had provided them with "a meal". So the three words God had given me when I prayed were about that post. So God did not tell me where he was he told me what type of person Douglas Wood was a good man. I believe God saw Douglas Wood's kind action too and blessed with an escape from his captors.


Some times it is hard to gauge how your prayers are going. However I recently had an experience that showed me that God does answer our prayers in miraculous ways. We have a client at work who is involved in Market Research, I pray for my clients on a regular basis. One day as I was working on their Website God spoke to me and said "How would I like to work for channel 9?" Channel 9 in a major free to air TV channel in our country. I was shocked by it and did not know what God was suggesting, but took care with the Website incase it was put on TV. However around a month latter Channel 9 approached the very client who I was working for when God asked me the question. And their business was put on channel 9's program called A Current Affair. God is in control of the affairs of men


And used a lot based method to help me when decisions were hard to make.

On the 10 of October 2012 the LORD prevented us from making a bad financial decision. Me and my wife had found a house that we thought could be a good investment for our future. But our pastor prayed about it and felt that it was not going to be a good investment. So I prayed that if it was not a good investment God would get the bible to open randomly to James 4:13-15, otherwise the bible would open to the verse in Mal 3:10 about God blessing our finances. I opened my bible on the computer and moved my hand quickly and randomly, first selecting a book of the bible, then a verse, all without looking where I was choosing, and it opened to James 4:13-15 so I knew that God did not want us to go ahead. Jas 4:13-15 “Some of you say, "Today or tomorrow we will go to some city. We will stay there a year, do business, and make money." Listen, think about this: You don't know what will happen tomorrow. Your life is like a fog. You can see it for a short time, but then it goes away. So you should say, "If the Lord wants, we will live and do this or that."


I believe regardless of the origin of this virus, that God is using it as a judgment. I will explain why I think this.

When the virus first came, I did not think that it was God’s judgment, so I prayed against it, hoping that it would be turned back. When it did not abate, I though back to a vision that I had received before the virus came into my country of Australia. In the vision I heard an angry voice state “invade them”, I thought invade them meant a physical invasion, the voice suggested that them referred to those who sinned, with a specific focus on the sin of pandering to homosexuality.

I then heard a famous preacher in the USA Perry Stone, had received a word from the LORD that the virus was God’s day of reckoning for the sin’s of homosexuality, and abortion.

I then sought the LORD to see if this was the case, that the vision, and Perry’s message was from God.

Every time I asked the response was “Yes it was Him”. There are a few methods I used here, when I used to write sermons I would often ask God to show me a tick in my mind to represent Yes, or a cross to represent no, was the sermon ok to give. This method suggested it was a judgment when I asked. I also got on my knees, and sought God to speak to me, I told Him I am your blood bought son, tell me. The answer was it was Him. I kept seeking, and asked again and again, He said “I will show you”, but I heard nothing, then in a vision I saw the word “yes”, meaning yes it was Him.

But some people on this forum claimed that God had shown them that this was not true, that it was not a judgement. But every time I asked God, I got the same answer that it was His judgment.

But in frustration I tried to ask Him, “did the virus have a natural origin”, “did God send it”, or “did the devil send it”. I used a lot based method, where I would pick three scriptures in my mind from the bible, to represent each of the choices, I would then open the bible randomly, if it opened to the choices in my mind, I would take it to be God’s word to me. When I used this method, after a day and half of seeking, it opened up to the scripture I had chosen to represent “it had a natural origin”. But there was something, I could sense, clouding the choice with darkness.

I then came on the forum and apologized that I may have got it wrong about it being a judgment. But it did not sit easy with me, for all the past things had suggested it was judgment. And I did not want to come against a minister like Perry Stone, and I had sensed darkness around the choice.


So I started to pray again, but I expanded the choices. To “did God send it”, “was it 100% natural, no spirituality involved”, “did the devil seek the Judgment, and God allowed it as a judgment against sin”, “or was it 100% the devils doing”

Using the same lot based method, with prayer over a day or so, it came up not once but twice to the choice “did the devil seek the Judgment, and God allowed it as judgment against sin”.

So I believe even if the virus had a “natural origin”, the devil’s nagging, gave way to God unleashing the virus.

But at any time Him mercy may come upon us, as happened to David.

1Ch 21:15 Then he sent an angel to destroy the city of Jerusalem. But just as the angel was about to do that, the LORD felt sorry for all the suffering he had caused the people, and he told the angel, "Stop! They have suffered enough." This happened at the threshing place that belonged to Araunah the Jebusite.
 
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People can make up their own mind, about the way I sought God. I have put it all honestly here, so people can make up their own mind.

I will first show through historical stories, that God has used the method of visions, or His spoken voice to communicate with me. I then will describe what I think of the virus. Not that past experiences or even current, are a complete indicator of true revelation, we can make mistakes. I have a degree of certainly, enough to say what I think.


One morning I got up and walked into the hall and I heard a voice that I believed was God say "How would you like to be stabbed in the Valley". The Valley was known as the rough end of town, and the voice scared me a little, I wondered if I had done something to offend God. I had planned to go down to the Valley to ask people out to church as was my habit at the time. In the end I went anyway regardless of the fear. I walked up to the first person I met and asked him if he would like to go out to church. He said to me "I am an atheist, I don't believe in God". I just said "fine", but hoped to change his mind. He then proceeded to unbutton his shirt and showed me scar marks up and down his chest and stomach. He said to me, "I was attacked by a knife wielding man in the Valley some time ago and spent months recovering in hospital, How could God allow that to happen to me". Then I knew why God had said in the morning "How would I like to be stabbed?". God understood this man, but had a good plan for him. Some weeks latter this man came out to church and became a Christian.


He has also spoken to me in the past via a “voice” based method. Seen here in these two examples:


Some time after the second Gulf War an Australian man Douglas Wood was captured by terrorists in Iraq, who made demands for a ransom or he would be executed. I set about fasting and praying for his release, I said to God "You know where he is....tell me". Three words entered my mind ABC, Bazaar and "a meal". I thought "I am going crazy what has all that got to do with him. Bazaar I though "this is Bizarre". I thought maybe "a meal" is a town so I searched a map of Iraq for a town of that name, but found nothing that really matched. Some time latter Douglas Wood was freed by US troops who came across his captors. It was not until latter that I actually discovered what the three words meant. I was on a forum libertyunites.us and came across a post by a user called ABC in the post she appealed to the terrorists to release Douglas Wood because she had seen him go to a Bazaar (another name for shop) and bought food (sausages I think it was) for disadvantaged people and had provided them with "a meal". So the three words God had given me when I prayed were about that post. So God did not tell me where he was he told me what type of person Douglas Wood was a good man. I believe God saw Douglas Wood's kind action too and blessed with an escape from his captors.


Some times it is hard to gauge how your prayers are going. However I recently had an experience that showed me that God does answer our prayers in miraculous ways. We have a client at work who is involved in Market Research, I pray for my clients on a regular basis. One day as I was working on their Website God spoke to me and said "How would I like to work for channel 9?" Channel 9 in a major free to air TV channel in our country. I was shocked by it and did not know what God was suggesting, but took care with the Website incase it was put on TV. However around a month latter Channel 9 approached the very client who I was working for when God asked me the question. And their business was put on channel 9's program called A Current Affair. God is in control of the affairs of men


And used a lot based method to help me when decisions were hard to make.

On the 10 of October 2012 the LORD prevented us from making a bad financial decision. Me and my wife had found a house that we thought could be a good investment for our future. But our pastor prayed about it and felt that it was not going to be a good investment. So I prayed that if it was not a good investment God would get the bible to open randomly to James 4:13-15, otherwise the bible would open to the verse in Mal 3:10 about God blessing our finances. I opened my bible on the computer and moved my hand quickly and randomly, first selecting a book of the bible, then a verse, all without looking where I was choosing, and it opened to James 4:13-15 so I knew that God did not want us to go ahead. Jas 4:13-15 “Some of you say, "Today or tomorrow we will go to some city. We will stay there a year, do business, and make money." Listen, think about this: You don't know what will happen tomorrow. Your life is like a fog. You can see it for a short time, but then it goes away. So you should say, "If the Lord wants, we will live and do this or that."


I believe regardless of the origin of this virus, that God is using it as a judgment. I will explain why I think this.

When the virus first came, I did not think that it was God’s judgment, so I prayed against it, hoping that it would be turned back. When it did not abate, I though back to a vision that I had received before the virus came into my country of Australia. In the vision I heard an angry voice state “invade them”, I thought invade them meant a physical invasion, the voice suggested that them referred to those who sinned, with a specific focus on the sin of pandering to homosexuality.

I then heard a famous preacher in the USA Perry Stone, had received a word from the LORD that the virus was God’s day of reckoning for the sin’s of homosexuality, and abortion.

I then sought the LORD to see if this was the case, that the vision, and Perry’s message was from God.

Every time I asked the response was “Yes it was Him”. There are a few methods I used here, when I used to write sermons I would often ask God to show me a tick in my mind to represent Yes, or a cross to represent no, was the sermon ok to give. This method suggested it was a judgment when I asked. I also got on my knees, and sought God to speak to me, I told Him I am your blood bought son, tell me. The answer was it was Him. I kept seeking, and asked again and again, He said “I will show you”, but I heard nothing, then in a vision I saw the word “yes”, meaning yes it was Him.

But some people on this forum claimed that God had shown them that this was not true, that it was not a judgement. But every time I asked God, I got the same answer that it was His judgment.

But in frustration I tried to ask Him, “did the virus have a natural origin”, “did God send it”, or “did the devil send it”. I used a lot based method, where I would pick three scriptures in my mind from the bible, to represent each of the choices, I would then open the bible randomly, if it opened to the choices in my mind, I would take it to be God’s word to me. When I used this method, after a day and half of seeking, it opened up to the scripture I had chosen to represent “it had a natural origin”. But there was something, I could sense, clouding the choice with darkness.

I then came on the forum and apologized that I may have got it wrong about it being a judgment. But it did not sit easy with me, for all the past things had suggested it was judgment. And I did not want to come against a minister like Perry Stone, and I had sensed darkness around the choice.


So I started to pray again, but I expanded the choices. To “did God send it”, “was it 100% natural, no spirituality involved”, “did the devil seek the Judgment, and God allowed it as a judgment against sin”, “or was it 100% the devils doing”

Using the same lot based method, with prayer over a day or so, it came up not once but twice to the choice “did the devil seek the Judgment, and God allowed it as judgment against sin”.

So I believe even if the virus had a “natural origin”, the devil’s nagging, gave way to God unleashing the virus.

But at any time Him mercy may come upon us, as happened to David.

1Ch 21:15 Then he sent an angel to destroy the city of Jerusalem. But just as the angel was about to do that, the LORD felt sorry for all the suffering he had caused the people, and he told the angel, "Stop! They have suffered enough." This happened at the threshing place that belonged to Araunah the Jebusite.



Too many contradictions, credibility lost, not worth people's time anymore.
 
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