Is this injustice?

mtatertayte · Apr 6, 2020

Carl Emerson said:
Of course, why ask?

Because you are always asking people if they are born again I thought I would ask you too.

Carl Emerson · Apr 6, 2020

Dorothy Mae said:
God actually blessed Esau, protected his descendants’ property. Until his descendants became evil.....many generations later.

Yes, His love eclipses His hatred of sin otherwise no one would be saved.

bling · Apr 6, 2020

Hammster said:
He acts according to His nature.

So is His Godly Love a knee jerk reaction for God? Is it a logical result? Or is it the result of God's free will choice to Love? Once God makes the free will choice to Love (totally unselfishly, totally unconditionally, totally sacrificially and in all humility), how can He put limits on it?

Dorothy Mae · Apr 6, 2020

mtatertayte said:
I will tell you what I will do for you.
If you can prove what you said is the truth
I will believe it.

You already said

mtatertayte said:
My thinking is not wrong your thinking is wrong.

So if you assume my thinking is wrong and cannot say where as I did for you, how can any words from my thinking convince you?

Carl Emerson · Apr 6, 2020

mtatertayte said:
Because you are always asking people if they are born again I thought I would ask you too.

Really - it is rare for me to ask that, unless the poster seems to be seeking from the heart, then I will summarise the gospel.

Dorothy Mae · Apr 6, 2020

Carl Emerson said:
Yes, His love eclipses His hatred of sin otherwise no one would be saved.

No, because he loves, he hates sin. Any parent who loves their child hates the deeds of those who hurt and damage their child.

Carl Emerson · Apr 6, 2020

While we were yet sinners Christ died for us...

Jesus took the sin of the world on Himself but His Love was stronger than His hatred of sin.

Halbhh · Apr 6, 2020

Hammster said:
Doesn’t answer the question.

He can see what we cannot see -- truly are unable to see, because we are not omniscient, knowing all thoughts in other peoples' hearts.

Therefore we aren't merely not to answer the OP question (as if we could judge God), but instead, something even more far reaching: we never could, not a one of us, correctly -- not even the wisest mortal human (other than when Christ incarnated here) ever could. So, again, the answer we do have is presented in Romans chapter 2 and 3 when read entirely, without skimming, but getting all that is said.

bling · Apr 6, 2020

Dorothy Mae said:
It’s not their choice to “accept” Gods forgiveness. He isn’t offering charity. But if you repent and ask for forgiveness, He might accept your repentance and grant you forgiveness. That’s how it works.

I see it more like the prodigal son story: The son by his own bad choices is brought to his senses and can choose to be: Macho, hang in there, be willing to pay the piper, accept the punishment he fully deserves (dying in a pigsty) not bothering his father further with undeserving requests and not fuel his brother's contempt for him, or he can wimp out, give up and surrender to the one he has been hating, turn to his father in hopes of possible be granted totally undeserved mercy and have just some kind of life, so he is just willing to humbly accept pure charity.

mtatertayte · Apr 6, 2020

Carl Emerson said:
Really - it is rare for me to ask that, unless the poster seems to be seeking from the heart, then I will summarise the gospel.

Then I guess I have on many a rare occasions seen you ask a poster if they are born again.

How were you born again?

Hammster · Apr 6, 2020

Dorothy Mae said:
Drug addict’s desire is not to OD and die. Nevertheless they do. Lots of people don’t want the consequences of their choices. Doesn’t change the choices they do make.

So God punishes then eternally for a bad decision. That doesn’t sound just.

renniks · Apr 6, 2020

Hammster said:
Repentance isn’t required to be born again. It’s the result of it.

Not according to the Bible.

Hammster · Apr 6, 2020

bling said:
That would make our "Love" greater than God's Love since we are told to Love everyone and thus can Love everyone. How are you defining Godly type Love we are to have and Christ demonstrated?
Is Godly type Love conditional or unconditional or arbitrary?
If God's Love is unconditional,then what reason could God have for not Loving everyone (is it limited or without limits)?

I don’t use terms like “Godly type love”.

Hammster · Apr 6, 2020

Carl Emerson said:
Esau I hated...

...because God hates sin.

Hell is for those who refuse love...

It’s for the punishment of sin.

renniks · Apr 6, 2020

Hammster said:
The carpet bomb approach. Lots of verses, no context.

If your argument is solid, pick one and we can examine it. In context.

That would be your job. The verses mean what they say unless you can prove otherwise.

Hammster · Apr 6, 2020

Carl Emerson said:
While we were yet sinners, Christ died for us...

The “we” in there is referring to those whom He saves.

Context.

mtatertayte · Apr 6, 2020

Hammster said:
So God punishes then eternally for a bad decision. That doesn’t sound just.

Who determines what is just or unjust but God?

Hammster · Apr 6, 2020

1213 said:
It depends on what is the reason. Bible tells eternal life is for righteous and for others is death.

These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.
Mat. 25:46

For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Romans 6:23

If 10 people sin, and only five is punished, I have understood it is because the other five repented and became righteous and the other five didn’t. And then it is actually not injustice.

We don’t become righteous.

Hammster · Apr 6, 2020

bling said:
So is His Godly Love a knee jerk reaction for God? Is it a logical result? Or is it the result of God's free will choice to Love? Once God makes the free will choice to Love (totally unselfishly, totally unconditionally, totally sacrificially and in all humility), how can He put limits on it?

I don’t know what “Godly love” is.

BBAS 64 · Apr 6, 2020

Dorothy Mae said:
Do all the people who know you say this describes you?

Good Day, Dorothy

I have no idea what all people I know say about anything specifically.

The point is the new Heart has new desires.. The giving by God has effects on us and He purposes.

If God does not give you a new heart your desires are evil, and you love darkness and hate light.

In Him,

Bill

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