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I am a 29 year old Protestant who decided to become Orthodox. I had Baptist, Methodist, and Assembly of God influence. Non-denominationalism nearly took me over the Abyss. Aside from the obvious of visiting an Orthodox Church and speaking with a priest, I can recommend some resources that have been helpful for me:

READINGS:
The Orthodox Church: An Introduction to Eastern Christianity (Kallistos Ware)
The Orthodox Way (Kallistos Ware)
Rock and Sand (Josiah Trenhem)
Thirsting for God in a Land of Shallow Wells (Matthew Gallatin)
On the Incarnation (St. Athanasius)
7 Epistles of St. Ignatius

PODCASTS:
Our Life in Christ (Our Life in Christ | Ancient Faith Ministries)
At the Intersection of East and West (At the Intersection of East and West | Ancient Faith Ministries)
Orthodoxy and Heterodoxy (Orthodoxy and Heterodoxy | Ancient Faith Ministries)

YOUTUBE:
Bible Illustrated
 
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The biggest differences that stood out to me between Orthodoxy and Protestantism are the following:

1. Protestants believe in Sola Scriptura, Orthodox believe in Apostolic Succession and Holy Tradition, of which the Scriptures are apart.

2. Protestants do not have any inkling as to what the Trinity is and why it is important. Orthodox do.

3. Protestants tend to approach theology by defining what God IS. Orthodox use the apophatic method by which they are cautious to say what God IS, and prefer to say what God IS NOT. This avoids putting God into a box...which creates a host of problems.

4. Protestants generally believe that salvation is a legal transaction or declaration of innocence beginning with a declaration of faith or a mental asset to some set of propositions; Orthodox believe salvation is union with God through the process of Theosis (what many Protestants would call "sanctification"), beginning with baptism and chrismation into the Church. The Orthodox do not bifurcate justification and sanctification... it's all under the umbrella of salvation, because salvation means healing, not a legal declaration.

5. Protestants have a juridical understanding of salvation, while Orthodox view salvation as patient/doctor sickness/healing issue.

6. Protestants believe in original sin, which means that humanity inherits the GUILT of Adam and Eve. Original sin somehow alters human nature. Orthodox believe in ancestral sin, which means that humanity inherits the CORRUPTION of Adam and Eve, but that we are only guilty for our own sins. Ancestral sin alters our energies, but not our essence (nature), which was created and remains in the image of God. What was lost was the likeness of God, which needs to be restored.

7. Protestants do not distinguish between essence and energies; the Orthodox do. And the implications of this are interestingly VERY significant. (i.e. The creation of a car... the essence of car is GOOD and remains GOOD. But it can be used either for good or evil, this would be its energies).

8. Protestants say: humans are snow-covered dung. The Orthodox say: humans are dung-covered snow.

9. Protestants often embrace the Penal Substitutionary Atonement doctrine, in which God punishes his son and demands that death be made to satisfy and appease God's justice (again because there is no essence / energy distinction). Orthodox embrace the Christus Victor doctrine, in which Christ did not come to appease the wrath of God, but to defeat sin (by living a perfect life) and by defeating death (by choosing voluntarily to die, hence entering into the realm of death, and destroying the system by implanting the very source of life (God) within death itself and breaking the curse forever).

10. Protestants tend to elevate the invisible spiritual world (soul) above the material physical world (body). The Orthodox believe that to be human is to be soul AND body... and this has implications for everything from ecclesiology and its understanding of the Church, to the way in which we live in the body because what we do in the body matters. (it truly is meant to be a temple for God to indwell).

11. Protestants believe in the "invisible" church, and the plurality of church expressions and ways of worship (relativism); Orthodox believe that Christ leads the visible Church into ALL truth (absolute truth) and has prescribed a way of worship in the OT that carries over into the NT -- the only difference is the passover sacrifice is the Eucharist rather than an animal.

12. Protestants believe that truth comes from the word of God, but that no church can claim to possess the fulness of truth. Orthodox believe that Truth is a person, not a book. This person of Jesus Christ is an objective reality. Therefore, theology centers entirely around the person of Christ (Christology). The Orthodox also believe that the fullness of Truth is experienced within the inner life of the Orthodox Church.
 
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The biggest differences that stood out to me between Orthodoxy and Protestantism are the following:

1. Protestants believe in Sola Scriptura, Orthodox believe in Apostolic Succession and Holy Tradition, of which the Scriptures are apart.

2. Protestants do not have any inkling as to what the Trinity is and why it is important. Orthodox do.

3. Protestants tend to approach theology by defining what God IS. Orthodox use the apophatic method by which they are cautious to say what God IS, and prefer to say what God IS NOT. This avoids putting God into a box...which creates a host of problems.

4. Protestants generally believe that salvation is a legal transaction or declaration of innocence beginning with a declaration of faith or a mental asset to some set of propositions; Orthodox believe salvation is union with God through the process of Theosis (what many Protestants would call "sanctification"), beginning with baptism and chrismation into the Church. The Orthodox do not bifurcate justification and sanctification... it's all under the umbrella of salvation, because salvation means healing, not a legal declaration.

5. Protestants have a juridical understanding of salvation, while Orthodox view salvation as patient/doctor sickness/healing issue.

6. Protestants believe in original sin, which means that humanity inherits the GUILT of Adam and Eve. Original sin somehow alters human nature. Orthodox believe in ancestral sin, which means that humanity inherits the CORRUPTION of Adam and Eve, but that we are only guilty for our own sins. Ancestral sin alters our energies, but not our essence (nature), which was created and remains in the image of God. What was lost was the likeness of God, which needs to be restored.

7. Protestants do not distinguish between essence and energies; the Orthodox do. And the implications of this are interestingly VERY significant. (i.e. The creation of a car... the essence of car is GOOD and remains GOOD. But it can be used either for good or evil, this would be its energies).

8. Protestants say: humans are snow-covered dung. The Orthodox say: humans are dung-covered snow.

9. Protestants often embrace the Penal Substitutionary Atonement doctrine, in which God punishes his son and demands that death be made to satisfy and appease God's justice (again because there is no essence / energy distinction). Orthodox embrace the Christus Victor doctrine, in which Christ did not come to appease the wrath of God, but to defeat sin (by living a perfect life) and by defeating death (by choosing voluntarily to die, hence entering into the realm of death, and destroying the system by implanting the very source of life (God) within death itself and breaking the curse forever).

10. Protestants tend to elevate the invisible spiritual world (soul) above the material physical world (body). The Orthodox believe that to be human is to be soul AND body... and this has implications for everything from ecclesiology and its understanding of the Church, to the way in which we live in the body because what we do in the body matters. (it truly is meant to be a temple for God to indwell).

11. Protestants believe in the "invisible" church, and the plurality of church expressions and ways of worship (relativism); Orthodox believe that Christ leads the visible Church into ALL truth (absolute truth) and has prescribed a way of worship in the OT that carries over into the NT -- the only difference is the passover sacrifice is the Eucharist rather than an animal.

12. Protestants believe that truth comes from the word of God, but that no church can claim to possess the fulness of truth. Orthodox believe that Truth is a person, not a book. This person of Jesus Christ is an objective reality. Therefore, theology centers entirely around the person of Christ (Christology). The Orthodox also believe that the fullness of Truth is experienced within the inner life of the Orthodox Church.

I think I've been an Orthodox my entire life... or however you say it. As if I've felt this way the entire time and a big reason I lost faith was the legal type feeling of protestantism. I don't know how to explain but this is what I've been searching for. Each of those points I felt them as I was reading them. I feel so excited I'm so glad I found the church. I have a lot going on now with school, if you guys can give me a couple days or so to find some time to start reading these books, I'm going to keep in touch. Thank you all so much
 
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The biggest differences that stood out to me between Orthodoxy and Protestantism are the following:

1. Protestants believe in Sola Scriptura, Orthodox believe in Apostolic Succession and Holy Tradition, of which the Scriptures are apart.

2. Protestants do not have any inkling as to what the Trinity is and why it is important. Orthodox do.

3. Protestants tend to approach theology by defining what God IS. Orthodox use the apophatic method by which they are cautious to say what God IS, and prefer to say what God IS NOT. This avoids putting God into a box...which creates a host of problems.

4. Protestants generally believe that salvation is a legal transaction or declaration of innocence beginning with a declaration of faith or a mental asset to some set of propositions; Orthodox believe salvation is union with God through the process of Theosis (what many Protestants would call "sanctification"), beginning with baptism and chrismation into the Church. The Orthodox do not bifurcate justification and sanctification... it's all under the umbrella of salvation, because salvation means healing, not a legal declaration.

5. Protestants have a juridical understanding of salvation, while Orthodox view salvation as patient/doctor sickness/healing issue.

6. Protestants believe in original sin, which means that humanity inherits the GUILT of Adam and Eve. Original sin somehow alters human nature. Orthodox believe in ancestral sin, which means that humanity inherits the CORRUPTION of Adam and Eve, but that we are only guilty for our own sins. Ancestral sin alters our energies, but not our essence (nature), which was created and remains in the image of God. What was lost was the likeness of God, which needs to be restored.

7. Protestants do not distinguish between essence and energies; the Orthodox do. And the implications of this are interestingly VERY significant. (i.e. The creation of a car... the essence of car is GOOD and remains GOOD. But it can be used either for good or evil, this would be its energies).

8. Protestants say: humans are snow-covered dung. The Orthodox say: humans are dung-covered snow.

9. Protestants often embrace the Penal Substitutionary Atonement doctrine, in which God punishes his son and demands that death be made to satisfy and appease God's justice (again because there is no essence / energy distinction). Orthodox embrace the Christus Victor doctrine, in which Christ did not come to appease the wrath of God, but to defeat sin (by living a perfect life) and by defeating death (by choosing voluntarily to die, hence entering into the realm of death, and destroying the system by implanting the very source of life (God) within death itself and breaking the curse forever).

10. Protestants tend to elevate the invisible spiritual world (soul) above the material physical world (body). The Orthodox believe that to be human is to be soul AND body... and this has implications for everything from ecclesiology and its understanding of the Church, to the way in which we live in the body because what we do in the body matters. (it truly is meant to be a temple for God to indwell).

11. Protestants believe in the "invisible" church, and the plurality of church expressions and ways of worship (relativism); Orthodox believe that Christ leads the visible Church into ALL truth (absolute truth) and has prescribed a way of worship in the OT that carries over into the NT -- the only difference is the passover sacrifice is the Eucharist rather than an animal.

12. Protestants believe that truth comes from the word of God, but that no church can claim to possess the fulness of truth. Orthodox believe that Truth is a person, not a book. This person of Jesus Christ is an objective reality. Therefore, theology centers entirely around the person of Christ (Christology). The Orthodox also believe that the fullness of Truth is experienced within the inner life of the Orthodox Church.

pretty accurate from my Protestant days.
 
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I think I've been an Orthodox my entire life... or however you say it. As if I've felt this way the entire time and a big reason I lost faith was the legal type feeling of protestantism. I don't know how to explain but this is what I've been searching for. Each of those points I felt them as I was reading them. I feel so excited I'm so glad I found the church. I have a lot going on now with school, if you guys can give me a couple days or so to find some time to start reading these books, I'm going to keep in touch. Thank you all so much

Many converts feel similarly. There were many beliefs I held that didn't quite fit with the Protestant churches I was going to. Or there were contradictions that I just accepted or became agnostic about because I couldn't reconcile them (i.e. penal substitutionary atonement, why I'm guilty for Adam/Eve's sin, purpose of the body and material world, rapture, I had a natural desire/understanding how Christians could petition the departed to pray for us but was absolutely forbidden by Prot., etc.). When I learned about Orthodoxy, it was like I was "coming home" to a place I had already known and felt familiar with already. All the puzzle pieces that I possessed finally just came together, and I could experience healing just by becoming aware of this truth. I have a long way to go though. I've just scratched the surface, and that's exactly what I love about Orthodoxy. The well never runs dry.

Good luck on your journey. I also forgot to mention there are some Facebook groups to meet people and have discussions with as well. Just be careful not to be led astray. Not everything on there is gospel truth. Test everything and consult a priest.

Catholic / Orthodox & Protestant Peaceful Dialogue
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I felt similarly (although I can't say I agree with everything) as I was coming out of Lutheranism. It felt a lot like I was just continuing what the (conservative/Magisterial) reformers had started - I found elements of Orthodoxy in Lutheranism. Almost as if the Lutherans were digging a well for water and stopped at the first sign of water... that's great, and better than the parched desert they were in, but if they'd kept going, then the treasures of Orthodoxy were just a bit further
 
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I had no idea about this bishop Erasmus/Gerasimus. Really interesting... I wonder what the response was amongst his fellow bishops in response to this.

This is really cool. Very strange (in a good way) how this is all connecting.
 
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Hey everyone, pretty busy right now but I hope everyone is finding solace. I haven't read a lot but I have been studying both my bible and the Church. This is the church I want to stay in. Everything I read, from the core beliefs, to writings (like Fr. Seraphim Rose), to listening to Fr.s on Youtube, it all is the path I was searching for. Don't want to make any large promises but thank you all again for the help, I can't wait to join a church once the virus pandemic is over. I will stick around the forums as well. God bless.
 
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Hey everyone, pretty busy right now but I hope everyone is finding solace. I haven't read a lot but I have been studying both my bible and the Church. This is the church I want to stay in. Everything I read, from the core beliefs, to writings (like Fr. Seraphim Rose), to listening to Fr.s on Youtube, it all is the path I was searching for. Don't want to make any large promises but thank you all again for the help, I can't wait to join a church once the virus pandemic is over. I will stick around the forums as well. God bless.
Great to hear, and glory to God!

We all look forward to being back in Church ...
 
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