Why do Many Christians Ignore YHWH's Moedim?

HARK! · Apr 5, 2020

SwordmanJr said:
Perhaps the best thing I can do for you is to point you in the direction of learning to do Contextual Exegesis. Filtering what you read in all those verses you presented through the lenses of traditions and your Judaeo schooling, that can seriously cloud your ability to allow the biblical writings to speak for themselves, and therefore see what they're actually saying.

You know little of my background.

Stop pretending.

HARK! · Apr 5, 2020

visionary said:
Therefore, the sound of the trumpet on Feast of Trumpets is a remembrance of the ultimate ingathering in the seventh month of God’s calendar. Remember Ephesians chapter 4 where it says this will not happen till we come together as a perfect man.

Who do you suppose that one man is in type? They came together in type in the seventh month as one man and they began to build. Seventh month is when the Feast of Trumpets begins to sound. Another reason given for the blowing of the trumpet on the Feast of Trumpets is for to remember the resurrection of the dead. Understand the words of Isaiah 18:3 to be a prophecy directed to the dead. "As a banner is lifted on the mountains, you will see, and as a trumpet is sounded, you will hear." This was understood to mean that when the final trumpet will be blown, the dead would rise and see and hear again. One of the soon to come to pass events that we need to remember. The coming of Yeshua includes a great trumpet blast which wakes up those sleeping in the dust.
Ezra 3:1 366 1Cor 15:52
In his letter to the believers at Colossians, Paul states that all of the Biblical Festivals are "shadows of things to come, the substance of Christ."[1] From the above list, it is obvious that the fall feasts are about the things to come. The list of remembrances reads like a synopsis of Jewish and Christian apocalyptic expectations in their proper order. The warning of impending judgment, the call to repentance, the fear of the Day of the LORD, the Ingathering of Israel, the rebuilding of the Temple, the final judgment, the resurrection of the dead and the coronation of the King are all familiar prophetic themes which both Jewish and Christian communities associate with the coming of Christ. It is clear that the Festival is ripe with end-times implications.

In view of Paul's statement that the festivals are "shadows of things to come," and in view of the ways in which the Spring Festivals of Unleavened Bread and Pentecost received a Messianic fulfillment within the events of the first coming of the Christ, Yeshua, one can hardly be surprised to find that the Fall Festivals speak to Christ's return. Yeshua himself invokes Feast of Trumpets imagery when he says, “They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky with power and great glory. And He will send forth His angels with a great trumpet and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of the sky to the other.”[2]

I lean more towards the seventh trumpet sounding long and hard throughout the last days from the Feast of Trumpets, through the Day of Atonement, and on through the Feast of Tabernacles right up to the eighth day.

For more trumpet references and purposes
Trumpets Used to Notify, Warn or Assemble Israel for War,
Numbers 10:2-9; Jeremiah 4:19; Amos 3:6; Numbers 31:6; Judges 3:27; Judges 6:34, 7:822; I Samuel 13:3
Trumpets Used as a Sound of Peace, End of Strife II Samuel 2:28, 18:16, 20:22.
Trumpets Signified Crowning a King, or Revolt
II Samuel 15:10; II Samuel 20:1; I Kings 1:34, 39; II Kings 9:13; II Kings 11:12, 14
Trumpet Used in Temple Worship
II Chronicles 5:3, 12-14, 7:6; Ezra 3:6, 10, 11; I Chronicles 15:24, 16:42
God's Voice is Full of Awesome Power, like a Trumpet
Revelation 1:10-11; Revelation 4:1; Psalm 29
God's Trumpet-Like Voice at Mt. Sinai
Exodus 19:16, 19; Exodus 20:18; Hebrews 12:18-29
Trumpets and LORD's Judgment Day Joel 2:1, 2, 11; Zephaniah 1:6-7, 14-18; Psalm 98:6,9
Message of Day of Trumpets is that We Should Repent Joel 2:1, 12-13,
Christ Comes to Rule Earth on the Last Trumpet Rev. 11:15, Trumpets, Atonement Joel 2:15; Lev. 25:9

Now isn't that a FEAST of TRUMPETS for the children of God to feast upon?
[1] Colossians 2:16,17

[2] Matthew 24:30,31

I just put all of your posts, on this subject, in my files.

Thank you! Thank you!

I'll read this, approaching Yom Teruah, for years to come. This is the best commentary I have ever seen on this subject! It's an excellent study tool. Many in my life will gain tremendously from these posts.

Thank you again.

Hallelu YHWH!

SwordmanJr · Apr 5, 2020

HARK! said:
(CLV) 1Jn 5:3
For this is the love of God, that we may be keeping His precepts. And His precepts are not heavy,

From Decalogue
(CLV) Ex 20:6
yet showing benignity to thousands, to those loving Me and observing My instructions.

(CLV) Jn 14:15
If you should be loving Me, you will be keeping My precepts.

Context involves more than just the text itself. The references from John 14 is, again, an address to people who were still under the Law. To have taught otherwise would have been antithetical the reason Jesus came to this earth.

As for 1 John 5:3, how about a little more context:

[1Jo 5:4 KJV] 4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, [even] our faith.

By FAITH:

[Rom 1:17 KJV] 17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
[Rom 3:22 KJV] 22 Even the righteousness of God [which is] by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:

I could go on and on, including discussions of context of those verses, and still have the confidence that the Law is satisfied in us through our faith in Christ Jesus. I don't hate the commandments, I have the confidence that my love for the Lord and my faith keeps me in conformance to the law He has written on all our hearts. And no amount legalistic jargon is going to steal that away. My confidence is in His finished work, not in anything I may initiate in my own strength.

Jr

SwordmanJr · Apr 5, 2020

HARK! said:
You know little of my background.

Stop pretending.

Suffice it to say that your words scream loud and clear where you're coming from.

Jr

Ignatius the Kiwi · Apr 5, 2020

Yeshua HaDerekh said:
Who said that? Do you mean becoming rabbinic Jews? Rabbinic Jews do not believe in Yeshua.

Well some here seem to imply that in order to please God and do what he expects of us we need to become circumcised, obey kosher and follow Jewish feast days.

Essentially they seem to want us to become Jews.

Ignatius the Kiwi · Apr 5, 2020

Dkh587 said:
Did somebody in this thread say that?

Why are non jews expected to follow Jewish customs then?

HARK! · Apr 5, 2020

SwordmanJr said:
Suffice it to say that your words scream loud and clear where you're coming from.

From a Methodist Christening? I'm surprised you're that perceptive. The rest of your posts wouldn't reflect such keen perception. I've grown, tremendously, in my understanding since then.

Now enough about us. We don't want to derail the thread, by patting each other on the back.

Let's stay on topic.

Kenny'sID · Apr 5, 2020

HARK! said:
King James Bible
And he said, Abba, Father, all things are possible unto thee; take away this cup from me: nevertheless not what I will, but what thou wilt.

Get to know him!

Get to know who?

Maybe people think that makes them more holy to use such terms? I mean I'm not saying thy do, but that was always the only explanation I could come up with, so maybe someone could explain it to me?

HARK! · Apr 5, 2020

SwordmanJr said:
Context involves more than just the text itself. The references from John 14 is, again, an address to people who were still under the Law.

Let's talk about context.

John 14 doesn't mention anything about "under the law."

Do you even know what "under the law" means?

Please explain this term, that is mentioned only 11 times in the Bible, all by Paul. This is language unique to Paul.

HARK! · Apr 5, 2020

Kenny'sID said:
Get to know who?

Maybe people think that makes them more holy to use such terms? I mean I'm not saying thy do, but that was always the only explanation I could come up with, so maybe someone could explain it to me?

I try to avoid using Pagan words. I do feel more kadosh that way. YHWH says don't let their names pass your lips. Not more kadosh than everyone else, just more kadosh to YHWH.

HARK! · Apr 5, 2020

SwordmanJr said:
Then, by all means you go ahead and try to justify yourself in obedience to all those Laws.

(CLV) Ro 2:13
For not the listeners to law are just with God, but the doers of law shall be justified.

HARK! · Apr 5, 2020

SwordmanJr said:
Sell all and follow Him. Have you done that? Are you now living under bridges and following in the footsteps of Jesus?

That sounds awfully legalistic. Had you considered why Yahshua might have said that? I don't think that it had anything to do with living under bridges.

Kenny'sID · Apr 5, 2020

HARK! said:
I try to avoid using Pagan words. I do feel more kadosh that way. YHWH says don't let their names pass your lips. Not more kadosh than everyone else, just more kadosh to YHWH.

This get more interesting by the minute, what are the Pagan words to which you refer?

What's a kodosh?

HARK! · Apr 5, 2020

SwordmanJr said:
As to commandments, yes. Jesus spoke that to a people who were still under the Law. So what? He had not yet established the New Covenant in order for the Old Covenant to have passed away.

Are you suggesting that the message of obedience to YHWH's law, that he preached throughout his entire ministry, died on the torture stake with him?

Der Alte · Apr 5, 2020

HARK! said:
Are you suggesting that the message of obedience to YHWH's law, that he preached throughout his entire ministry, died on the torture stake with him?

It was not a "torture stake" it was a + shaped cross.

Tertullian, Against Marcion, CHAP. XIX.
--Prophecies Of The Death Of Christ. (200 a.d.)
"He signed them with that very seal of which Ezekiel spake: "The Lord said unto me, Go through the gate, through the midst of Jerusalem, and set the mark Tau upon the foreheads of the men."(14) Now the Greek letter Tau and our own letter T is the very form of the cross, which He predicted would be the sign on our 341 foreheads in the true universal Jerusalem."
http://ccel.org/fathers/ANF-03/tertullian/part2/against_marcion_3.html

According to most reliable sources, see URLs below, the letter "Tau/Taw" in Ancient or Paleo-Hebrew was written as + It is also interesting to note that the Paleo-Hebrew letter "Tayth" is another supposedly pagan form, a cross with a circle around it.
http://phoenicia.org/gifs/siniatic.jpg
http://www.therain.org/know/palheb.html

Ezek 9:4
and the Lord said to him, "Go through the midst of the city, through the midst of Jerusalem, and והתוית תו
/Taw a Taw/"mark a mark" on the foreheads of the men who sigh and cry over all the abominations that are done within it."In this passage YHWH commands His angel to go through Jerusalem and mark a + on the foreheads of all the righteous of YHWH not the "followers of the beast"!
The only word in Biblical Greek to describe a + shaped object is, Stauros!
Strong's 4716 stauros (stow-ros')
from the base of 2476; TDNT - 7:572,1071; n m
AV - cross 28; 28"
http://www.blueletterbible.org/tmp_dir/strongs/962780823.html

The only word in modern Greek to describe a + shaped object is, Stauros!"cross = stauros, diastaurono, stavros, diastavrono"

http://www.kypros.org/cgi-bin/lexicon
The only word in ancient, classical Greek, ca. 1200 BC to 300 BC, to describe a + shaped object was, stauros!

Liddell-Scott-Jones Lexicon of Classical Greek
σταυρος stauros, ho, upright pale or stake, staurous ektos elasse diamperes entha kai entha puknous kai thameas Hom. Od. 14.11, cf. Hom. Il. 24.453, Thuc. 4.90, Xen. Anab. 5.2.21; of piles driven in to serve as a foundation, Hdt. 5.16, Thuc. 7.25.
II. cross, as the instrument of crucifixion, D.S.2.18, Ev.Matt.27.40, Plu.2.554a; epi ton s. apagesthai Luc.Peregr.34; s. lambanein, arai, bastazein, metaph. of voluntary suffering, Ev.Matt.10.38, Ev.Luc.9.23, au=Ev.Luc. 14.27: its form was represented by the Greek letter T, Luc.Jud.Voc.12.
http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/cgi-bin/lexindex?lookup=stauro/s&lang=greek

HARK! · Apr 5, 2020

Kenny'sID said:
This get more interesting by the minute, what are the Pagan words to which you refer?

There are many.

Here's a starting point: god | Origin and meaning of god by Online Etymology Dictionary

visionary · Apr 5, 2020

More history "The primitive Christians did keep the Sabbath of the Jews;...therefore the Christians, for a long time together, did keep their conventions upon the Sabbath, in which some portions of the law were read: and this continued till the time of the Laodicean council." "The Whole Works" of Jeremy Taylor, Vol. IX,p. 416 (R. Heber's Edition, Vol XII, p. 416).

visionary · Apr 5, 2020

Ever wondered where the rest of the disciples went after fleeing. Thomas is said to have begun preaching the gospel to the already existing Jewish settlers in the Malabar Coast and other locals. According to the Acts of Thomas, the first converts made by Thomas in India were Malabari Jews, who had settled in Kerala since the time of King Solomon of Israel. David de Beth Hillel, 1832; Lord, James Henry, 1977; Thomas Puthiakunnel 1973; 'Acts of Thomas' Bevan, 1897., Koder S. 1973;

visionary · Apr 5, 2020

Widespread and enduring was the observance of the seventh-day Sabbath among the believers of the Church of the East and the St. Thomas Christians of India. It was also maintained by the Abyssinians.

As an ethnic community they refer to themselves as Nasranis referring to the common cultural heritage and cultural tradition. However as a religious group they refer to themselves as the Mar Thoma Khristianis or in English as Saint Thomas Christians referring to their religious tradition, despite a common ancestry of being the descendants of the early Mar Thoma church or Saint Thomas tradition of Christianity. Menachery G; 1973, 1998; Mundalan, A. M; 1984; Podipara, Placid J. 1970; Leslie Brown, 1956

visionary · Apr 5, 2020

Thomas Christians had such a strong sense of caste and tradition, being the oldest order of Christianity in India. The archdeacon was the head of the Church, and Palliyogams (Parish Councils) were in charge of temporal affairs. They had a liturgy-centered life with days of fasting and abstinence. Their devotion to the Mar Thoma Cross was absolute. Their churches were modelled after Jewish synagogues.

In short, the St. Thomas Christians of Kerala had blended well the ecclesiastical world of the East Syriac Church with the socio-cultural environment of their homeland. Thus, the East Syriac Church was South Indian in culture, Christian in religion, and Judeo-Syro-Oriental in worship. Menachery G; 1973, 1998; Leslie Brown, 1956; Vellian Jacob 2001; Poomangalam C.A 1998; Weil,S. 1982

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