what is wrong with people.
Stay-at-home order unconstitutional? North Idaho questions the governor
this is seriously annoying me...
Stay-at-home order unconstitutional? North Idaho questions the governor
this is seriously annoying me...
Officials argue idaho stay at home order unconstitutional....
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I can't sympathize with those Idaho people under the current circumstances, but it does look as though being governor in itself does make some governors think they've been given the right to ignore any and all of the Constitution if that's what suits them.
Look at the Governor of New York, for instance, who has said he needs ventilators so he's simply going to steal/confiscate them from people and organizations that have them.
These are not hoarders or anything like that; they simply have them. Oh, but he promises to pay for them (an unspecified amount at an unspecified time in the future)...or else return them, used, when he's done with them, Even Steven.
There has to be a point at which a state governor does not have the right to suspend the Constitution merely because--as that governor has explained--he needs them.
Look at the Governor of New York, for instance, who has said he needs ventilators so he's simply going to steal/confiscate them from people and organizations that have them.
These are not hoarders or anything like that; they simply have them. Oh, but he promises to pay for them (an unspecified amount at an unspecified time in the future)...or else return them, used, when he's done with them, Even Steven.
There has to be a point at which a state governor does not have the right to suspend the Constitution merely because--as that governor has explained--he needs them.
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Do you not believe a concentrated, centralised effort to destabilise the effects of this pandemic is the best course of action?
This is not a time for margins, profiteering or political favour... people are dying, people need them and it's better they be in the hands that can direct them to their most effective use than to be sat in a warehouse.
Forget rolling, the Founding Fathers are probably facepalming in their graves at this point.
This is a temporary measure in unprecedented times to try and spare as many unnecessary deaths as possible. This isn't a time for bickering over politics because you're inconvenienced for a few weeks.
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That's probably true.
Well, that's what I was questioning. There has been no national decree, a valid one, requiring the Governor to take this particular action. And any reasonable person, IMO, should know that there has to be SOME limit to the ability of the Governor of any state to simply issue orders.
Your argument, judging by what I am reading on this post, is that there is a need, the crisis is real, so therefore, all laws are suspended if the Governor decides that's a good idea. I don't know if that is what our system of law permits.
We are a nation of laws, not of men. Ever heard of that? Well, if the law of the land permits the Governor to do what he has ordered, there is no issue. I simply raised the question about where that ends. Or is there any limit, in your view?
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Is it about time for us here to admit that some of us believe in the Constitutional guarantees and some believe they aren't particularly special but that 'the powers that be' should just do whatever seems best to them (so long as they say it's necessary because of some threat, real or not)? It seems like a irreconcilable division.
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I don't think that many people understand how precious freedom is because they were taught that America is either bad or were not taught anything about what the founding fathers understood about freedom and how they were willing to die and sometimes did for freedom. Now the country has become so soft that freedom means little and safety means everything.
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I think americans are disgusting with their freedoms, people dying but, all people care is about being inconvienced. it's already a fact of law that the constutions freedoms are not asbolute, and during times of emergency they can be taken away. Stop being babies about your freedoms and actually do something to help.
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1000+ people dying a day at this and it's just starting, and all I see is a bunch of whiners.
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None of the 334000 Americans who have tested positive for COVID-19 and the 9500 that have died chose to have this disease - the Constitution does provide for individual rights but it doesn't allow citizens to indulge in those behaviors that would put the lives of their neighbors at risk!
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I appreciate that, but my main concern is that by the time all the bickering over rights has finished and a conclusion drawn, millions may be dead.
Either way, this is a very new thing for pretty much every country in the world. A lot will change after this legislatively and I imagine provisions will be put in to place to allow for faster response with less red tape in the future. At least future events may have a clearer legal framework on what can be done, what can't be done and what ought to be done.
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Here’s the thing:
Americans will do this.
Staying away from one another to give someone, probably (not our own selves, but MAYBE someone we know), the chance not to die from this.
And Pitch and Moan About EVERY SINGLE “HARDSHIP”, we have indoor plumbing (most of us!, sorry “have-nots”!).
Let people complain!
Americans will do this.
Staying away from one another to give someone, probably (not our own selves, but MAYBE someone we know), the chance not to die from this.
And Pitch and Moan About EVERY SINGLE “HARDSHIP”, we have indoor plumbing (most of us!, sorry “have-nots”!).
Let people complain!
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it's not their complaining I worry about it's their actions, these are the guys that go to church or go to parks and such.
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