1948 Birth of Israel Prophecies?

Chris V++ · Apr 5, 2020

Sorry if this has been answered before. Can someone please point to prophecies that expressly predicted the 1948 Rebirth of Israel. Many sources point to Isaiah Is 11:12 Ezekiel Ez 37:12 and Jeremiah Jer 30:1-31:40 (among others) but these all seem to be referring to an end of a forthcoming Babylonian exile and not what happened in 1948.

Here's the verses mentioned for clarity. Thanks in advance.

Isaiah 11:12
He will raise a signal for the nations and will assemble the banished of Israel, and gather the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.
Ezekiel 37:12
Therefore prophesy, and say to them, Thus says the Lord God: Behold, I will open your graves and raise you from your graves, O my people. And I will bring you into the land of Israel.
Jeremiah 30:1-31:40
The word that came to Jeremiah from the Lord: “Thus says the Lord, the God of Israel: Write in a book all the words that I have spoken to you. For behold, days are coming, declares the Lord, when I will restore the fortunes of my people, Israel and Judah, says the Lord, and I will bring them back to the land that I gave to their fathers, and they shall take possession of it.” These are the words that the Lord spoke concerning Israel and Judah: “Thus says the Lord: We have heard a cry of panic, of terror, and no peace

Davy · Apr 5, 2020

Chris V++ said:
Sorry if this has been answered before. Can someone please point to prophecies that expressly predicted the 1948 Rebirth of Israel. Many sources point to Isaiah Is 11:12 Ezekiel Ez 37:12 and Jeremiah Jer 30:1-31:40 (among others) but these all seem to be referring to an end of a forthcoming Babylonian exile and not what happened in 1948.

Here's the verses mentioned for clarity. Thanks in advance.

Isaiah 11:12
He will raise a signal for the nations and will assemble the banished of Israel, and gather the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.
Ezekiel 37:12
Therefore prophesy, and say to them, Thus says the Lord God: Behold, I will open your graves and raise you from your graves, O my people. And I will bring you into the land of Israel.
Jeremiah 30:1-31:40
The word that came to Jeremiah from the Lord: “Thus says the Lord, the God of Israel: Write in a book all the words that I have spoken to you. For behold, days are coming, declares the Lord, when I will restore the fortunes of my people, Israel and Judah, says the Lord, and I will bring them back to the land that I gave to their fathers, and they shall take possession of it.” These are the words that the Lord spoke concerning Israel and Judah: “Thus says the Lord: We have heard a cry of panic, of terror, and no peace

Scripture that predicted it??? Hmmm......

In Matthew 24 Jesus commanded His servants to learn a parable of the fig tree. He explained that the generation that sees all those signs He gave shall not pass until they are all fulfilled, the last sign being that of His return.

Jeremiah 24 is where a prophecy about the figs represents Judah returning back to Jerusalem with God's promise to not remove them again. So far, 1948 shows that having been fulfilled, as the nation of Israel had not existed since 70 A.D. when the Romans destroyed Jerusalem and the temple, and scattered the Jews out of the holy land.

IF... God allows today's Jews in the nation of Israel to be conquered and scattered again, as in old times, then the Jeremiah 24 prophecy would not fit. However, so far, since 1948, it fits His promise.

Jer 24:5-6
5 Thus saith the LORD, the God of Israel; Like these good figs, so will I acknowledge them that are carried away captive of Judah, whom I have sent out of this place into the land of the Chaldeans for their good.

6 For I will set Mine eyes upon them for good, and I will bring them again to this land: and I will build them, and not pull them down; and I will plant them, and not pluck them up.
KJV

Amittai · Apr 5, 2020

Some scholars believe the deepest meaning is about when the whole church including a large chunk of Jewish people go over to Jesus - again.

To critique Zionism as an ideology, for example, is by some people (and to my mind rightly) not thought anti-Jewish or anti-Israel. So we shouldn't stop short at the racial or geographical aspect of it.

Hence "so far" is very much an operative phrase, perhaps with the addition of "at a certain level". The main point of prophecies is to call us to prayer for others' welfare and our own fruitful part in it.

(I've got some Jewish ancestry, and had Jewish friends without giving it a thought, and then realised there is in countries like here an element of converts from Judaism to churches who quietly look after each other for several generations, and then I also encountered a superficially Judaizing tendency in some churches - so am aware of all sorts of angles.)

Davy · Apr 5, 2020

Amittai said:
Some scholars believe the deepest meaning is about when the whole church including a large chunk of Jewish people go over to Jesus - again.

To critique Zionism as an ideology, for example, is by some people (and to my mind rightly) not thought anti-Jewish or anti-Israel. So we shouldn't stop short at the racial or geographical aspect of it.

Hence "so far" is very much an operative phrase, perhaps with the addition of "at a certain level". The main point of prophecies is to call us to prayer for others' welfare and our own fruitful part in it.

(I've got some Jewish ancestry, and had Jewish friends without giving it a thought, and then realised there is in countries like here an element of converts from Judaism to churches who quietly look after each other for several generations, and then I also encountered a superficially Judaizing tendency in some churches - so am aware of all sorts of angles.)

Yet the Jeremiah 24 prophecy is specific to Judah and those carried away to Babylon and not Christ's Church. So I don't see how anyone can bring that into the prophecy.

Chris V++ · Apr 5, 2020

Davy said:
Scripture that predicted it??? Hmmm......

In Matthew 24 Jesus commanded His servants to learn a parable of the fig tree. He explained that the generation that sees all those signs He gave shall not pass until they are all fulfilled, the last sign being that of His return.

Jeremiah 24 is where a prophecy about the figs represents Judah returning back to Jerusalem with God's promise to not remove them again. So far, 1948 shows that having been fulfilled, as the nation of Israel had not existed since 70 A.D. when the Romans destroyed Jerusalem and the temple, and scattered the Jews out of the holy land.

IF... God allows today's Jews in the nation of Israel to be conquered and scattered again, as in old times, then the Jeremiah 24 prophecy would not fit. However, so far, since 1948, it fits His promise.

Jer 24:5-6
5 Thus saith the LORD, the God of Israel; Like these good figs, so will I acknowledge them that are carried away captive of Judah, whom I have sent out of this place into the land of the Chaldeans for their good.

6 For I will set Mine eyes upon them for good, and I will bring them again to this land: and I will build them, and not pull them down; and I will plant them, and not pluck them up.
KJV

Thanks for your response. In the Matthew Chapter do you think the Verse 15 'Abomination of Desolation' that Jesus was speaking about refers to a future event or the Roman destruction of the Second Temple or some other past event?

Berean Tim · Apr 5, 2020

Chris V++ said:
Thanks for your response. In the Matthew Chapter do you think the Verse 15 'Abomination of Desolation' that Jesus was speaking about refers to a future event or the Roman destruction of the Second Temple or some other past event?

Its future. The following verses speak of His return

Chris V++ · Apr 5, 2020

Berean Tim said:
Its future. The following verses speak of His return

That's true, but He didn't know when He would return, so knowing that, wouldn't it open up the desolation prophecy to something that might happen during that generations lifetime? I know that the whole chapter isn't fulfilled, but maybe the 'abomination of desolation' aspect of it?

keras · Apr 5, 2020

Chris V++ said:
Sorry if this has been answered before. Can someone please point to prophecies that expressly predicted the 1948 Rebirth of Israel. Many sources point to Isaiah Is 11:12 Ezekiel Ez 37:12 and Jeremiah Jer 30:1-31:40 (among others) but these all seem to be referring to an end of a forthcoming Babylonian exile and not what happened in 1948.

Here's the verses mentioned for clarity. Thanks in advance.

Isaiah 11:12
He will raise a signal for the nations and will assemble the banished of Israel, and gather the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.
Ezekiel 37:12
Therefore prophesy, and say to them, Thus says the Lord God: Behold, I will open your graves and raise you from your graves, O my people. And I will bring you into the land of Israel.
Jeremiah 30:1-31:40
The word that came to Jeremiah from the Lord: “Thus says the Lord, the God of Israel: Write in a book all the words that I have spoken to you. For behold, days are coming, declares the Lord, when I will restore the fortunes of my people, Israel and Judah, says the Lord, and I will bring them back to the land that I gave to their fathers, and they shall take possession of it.” These are the words that the Lord spoke concerning Israel and Judah: “Thus says the Lord: We have heard a cry of panic, of terror, and no peace

All of the prophesies you quote, refer to the future rejoining of the two Houses; Judah and Israel, and their return into all of the holy Land. They will be only the faithful Christians, the Israelite of God, the spiritual children of Abraham. Galatians 3:26-29, Isaiah 35:1-10, Jeremiah 50:4-5, Romans 9:24-26, +

I agree with Davy; it was the 'fig tree budding', the establishment of the Jewish State of Israel, that commenced the end time events; they will happen within the lifetime of anyone born on or before May 1948, for those with the 'strength', that is: who survive the normal and natural causes of death for 70 + years.
I am 78, but fully expect to see it all. Great will be that time!

Amittai · Apr 6, 2020

Am wishing to amend my post 3 by adding "variants of" after "critique" as I know there are several.

Chris V++ · Apr 6, 2020

keras said:
All of the prophesies you quote, refer to the future rejoining of the two Houses; Judah and Israel, and their return into all of the holy Land.

Ok thank you. I was missing the divided house being rejoined aspect of it and focusing more on the return from captivity.

Chris V++ · Apr 6, 2020

Amittai said:
To critique Zionism as an ideology, for example, is by some people (and to my mind rightly) not thought anti-Jewish or anti-Israel. So we shouldn't stop short at the racial or geographical aspect of it.

I hope I don't come off as trying to critique Zionism. My believes were recently challenged on this issue and now I'm in a position where I have to reconcile what I though I knew with the actual texts.

Amittai · Apr 6, 2020

I thought it was me that so came over - my biggest concern is certain contemporary interpretations within certain present day political parties but which I know little about other than through a few people just plain trying to stand up for some ordinary people.

I don't want to be drawn into anything else. A relatively close family member isn't known to have been heard of since he was about 14. Most sadly this sort of thing happens to at least some members of many races or nations at one time or another.

There are hijackers of such a situation, who use the poor as human shields. Then opponents of the hijackers.

I'm not sure whether the discussion on the OP required me to enlarge on Zionism per se, but I mentioned it obliquely because I've known people I consider erroneous in churches conflating everything. Then it spills over into our own political parties.

I've been part of a different pincer movement myself.

I shouldn't have started this tack, important as it is. Being a show-off, I throw kitchen sinks off at all tangents!

thomas_t · Apr 6, 2020

keras said:
Judah and Israel, and their return into all of the holy Land. They will be only the faithful Christians,

here you're contradicting yourself. First you write something about Judah and Israel returning to the Holy Land... and then you say they are "only" the faithful Christians. However, not all Christians have spent some time in Israel and have emigrated later so they could return to Israel again. So you can't have it both ways, Keras.

keras · Apr 6, 2020

thomas_t said:
here you're contradicting yourself. First you write something about Judah and Israel returning to the Holy Land... and then you say they are "only" the faithful Christians. However, not all Christians have spent some time in Israel and have emigrated later so they could return to Israel again. So you can't have it both ways, Keras.

Hi Thomas t,
You are still unable to realize that there is coming a dramatic change to the world, that will separate every faithful Christian from all the other survivors. We; Christian people from every race, nation and language, Jew and Gentile, black, white and yellow, no matter what ethnicity; will gather and settle into all of the holy Land. Isaiah 35, Ezekiel 34:11-16, Romans 9:24-26

This is God's plan; to have His people in His holy Land, being the people He always wanted there, but has never yet had.
Proved by Daniel 7:25 and Revelation 13:7, we; the holy people, are present in Jerusalem when the leader of the rest of the world, takes over.

Davy · Apr 6, 2020

Chris V++ said:
Thanks for your response. In the Matthew Chapter do you think the Verse 15 'Abomination of Desolation' that Jesus was speaking about refers to a future event or the Roman destruction of the Second Temple or some other past event?

The "abomination of desolation" event Jesus quoted from the Book of Daniel is about the placing of an idol abomination inside the temple at Jerusalem. The Romans couldn't do that because the temple burned down before they could seize control of it. And since that time, no Jewish temple has been rebuilt there. Only in this century have the orthodox Jews in Jerusalem been gathering materials to build another temple in Jerusalem and prepare for animal sacrifices again. This shows that "abomination of desolation" event is for sometime in our near future, when the new temple is built.

thomas_t · Apr 7, 2020

keras said:
We; Christian people from every race, nation and language, Jew and Gentile, black, white and yellow, no matter what ethnicity; will gather and settle into all of the holy Land. Isaiah 35, Ezekiel 34:11-16, Romans 9:24-26

don't speak in my name and don't include me in your "we", please.
You couldn't prove your hypothesis about all Christians gathering in the tiny strip of geographical Israel, in my opinion:
* Isaiah 35 does not mention Christians.
* Ezekiel 34:11-16 is about Israel, I think.
* Romans 9:24-26 is not about Christians gathering somewhere or even in Israel. It is a passage about getting talked about in Israel. Being talked about is not the same as gathering. Two different things.
* Daniel 7:25 is not about geography as you suggest. Revelation 13:7 isn't either.

keras · Apr 7, 2020

thomas_t said:
in my opinion:
* Isaiah 35 does not mention Christians.

Isaiah 35:10 says they are the ransomed people of the Lord
Jesus paid the ransom for our sins. All who are born again in Him; Christian people.

thomas_t said:
* Ezekiel 34:11-16 is about Israel, I think.

Israel isn't mentioned, the Lord's sheep are. Who are the followers of Christ. John 10:1-27

thomas_t said:
* Romans 9:24-26 is not about Christians gathering somewhere or even in Israel. It is a passage about getting talked about in Israel. Being talked about is not the same as gathering. Two different things.

Romans 9:26 In the same place where they [the ancient Israelites] were told: You are no people of Mine, THERE shall they [those people called by God; as described in verse 23-24. Christians, out of Jews and Gentiles] be called the children of the Living God.
All the many prophesies about this gathering and the new Christian nation, Isaiah 62:1-12, make it plain that it will encompass all of the holy Land. From the Nile to the Euphrates, occupied by the holy people, the redeemed of the Lord.

thomas_t said:
* Daniel 7:25 is not about geography as you suggest. Revelation 13:7 isn't either.

The 'war' and conquest referred to in those 2 verses, is the same one as described in Zechariah 14:1-2. In Jerusalem, in all of the holy Land area.
Verse 3, the Return of Jesus does not happen until 42 months later, as the context of the 2 verses I quoted tells us.

Yes; we have very different views of what God has planned for our future. This seems to be a common problem, as I promote the Prophetic Word of what God has planned, and others believe God will do what they desire.

thomas_t · Apr 8, 2020

Re Isaiah 35:10 The ransomed people could also be the messianic Israelites who find special consideration with God. The verse says they will come back to Israel. But not all Christians have stayed in Israel so far, as I said in post #13.

Re Eze 34: Jesus came to save the lost sheep of the house of Israel. So he had some sheep that weren't Christians yet. Matthew 15:24.

keras said:
Romans 9:26 In the same place where they [the ancient Israelites] were told: You are no people of Mine, THERE shall they [those people called by God; as described in verse 23-24. Christians, out of Jews and Gentiles] be called the children of the Living God.
All the many prophesies about this gathering and the new Christian nation, Isaiah 62:1-12, make it plain that it will encompass all of the holy Land.

this is ridiculous, Keras. In England, Germans are called "Krauts". According to your logic, just because Germans are called in some way in England... it's shown that all Germans will have a gathering in England.
Keras you're making up your "proofs" instead of promoting God's word the Bible. That's the problem.

Re Daniel and Revelation verses: A 'war' taking place in Israel doesn't prove anything about settlement. War is one thing, settlement the other, Keras. As is being called in some way in some place and actually living there (Romans).

I believe God will do what he desires.

jgr · Apr 12, 2020

Chris V++ said:
That's true, but He didn't know when He would return, so knowing that, wouldn't it open up the desolation prophecy to something that might happen during that generations lifetime? I know that the whole chapter isn't fulfilled, but maybe the 'abomination of desolation' aspect of it?

It's defined in the parallel passage in Luke:

Luke 21
20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.

The armies refers to those of the Romans. They bore pagan ensigns which were abominations to the Jews, and they brought desolation upon the holy place/city of Jerusalem.

Douggg · Apr 12, 2020

Chris V++ said:
Sorry if this has been answered before. Can someone please point to prophecies that expressly predicted the 1948 Rebirth of Israel

It is in Isaiah 66:8. May 14, 1948.

8 Who hath heard such a thing? who hath seen such things? Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day? or shall a nation be born at once? for as soon as Zion travailed, she brought forth her children.

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