Should criminal charges be brought agaisnt govenors and mayors?

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I keep seeing like in florida where there are barly a stay indoors order if that, if people can be charged or fined for breaking the stay in doors, what about those in charge of states defiantly keeping these things from happening. It's like they want their people to die.

The problem is with the people not the governors.

Petitioner: "Your Highness, the people are revolting." :eek:

King: (Sighing) "You're tellin' me?" :(
 
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I keep seeing like in florida where there are barly a stay indoors order if that, if people can be charged or fined for breaking the stay in doors, what about those in charge of states defiantly keeping these things from happening. It's like they want their people to die.

No.
 
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The Governors let everyone down though some were far better than others. This is typical because most states are not early adopters, but instead followers, like sheep. In any position of authority, your first job is security and surely you would have to have contingency plans to shut the state down. Still, not a single state reacted early enough or did enough to protect their residents. Some were too worried about the economy, others have little or no leadership ability to discern the crisis and initiate a comprehensive response. It is too bad, because if a single governor would have bet it all against the virus, they would likely be President in 2024. I guess they never saw that opportunity. With that said, we get the government we deserve. I admit I rarely include the Governor or mayor in prayers. So I have not done my part either. As to criminal charges, nothing they have done would suggest that is appropriate. They would have to have malicious intent, the altering of policy to harm purposefully. In this situation, whatever ignorance there might be is not criminal.
 
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Why not? They should be responsible for wreckless endangerment and such.

1. Because it's an unprecedented situation in everyone's lifetime.

2. Because there's absolutely nothing stopping people from quarantining themselves regardless of direction from politicians .

3. What good would it do? Would it make you feel better to blame someone?
 
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1. Because it's an unprecedented situation in everyone's lifetime.

2. Because there's absolutely nothing stopping people from quarantining themselves regardless of direction from politicians .

3. What good would it do? Would it make you feel better to blame someone?

Could say that about fining those that are disobeying the rules, many follow the govenor, heck some of them still havn't done anything by now.
 
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The Governors let everyone down though some were far better than others. This is typical because most states are not early adopters, but instead followers, like sheep. In any position of authority, your first job is security and surely you would have to have contingency plans to shut the state down. Still, not a single state reacted early enough or did enough to protect their residents. Some were too worried about the economy, others have little or no leadership ability to discern the crisis and initiate a comprehensive response. It is too bad, because if a single governor would have bet it all against the virus, they would likely be President in 2024. I guess they never saw that opportunity. With that said, we get the government we deserve. I admit I rarely include the Governor or mayor in prayers. So I have not done my part either. As to criminal charges, nothing they have done would suggest that is appropriate. They would have to have malicious intent, the altering of policy to harm purposefully. In this situation, whatever ignorance there might be is not criminal.

Careful with broad statements. Not all the Governors where that bad. Several acted before the federal government. I know my Governor acted as quickly as he could and was one of the first to issue closers based on what his health department was saying.
 
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Why not? They should be responsible for wreckless endangerment and such.

What charges would you bring? Are they breaking existing laws?

It's important to keep a hold on the idea of the rule of law, we're not just some angry mob with pitchforks here.
 
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I keep seeing like in florida where there are barly a stay indoors order if that, if people can be charged or fined for breaking the stay in doors, what about those in charge of states defiantly keeping these things from happening. It's like they want their people to die.

Everyone is making decisions based on the information they have. One governor makes one decision while another governor makes another decision. None of them want anyone to die.
 
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Everyone is making decisions based on the information they have. One governor makes one decision while another governor makes another decision. None of them want anyone to die.

Except for florida, this is the guy who when mayors blocked beaches and such made them reopen them, though one mayors response was, "Fine, but the parking lots closed."
 
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It's like they want their people to die.

The survivors will get to vote. But no I don't see any possibility of criminal prosecution. Lawsuits? People will probably try, but it seems unlikely.
 
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The survivors will get to vote. But no I don't see any possibility of criminal prosecution. Lawsuits? People will probably try, but it seems unlikely.

True I just think the longer they hold out the more should be done, no excuse for any state that doesn't have a strong stay at home by now.
 
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I keep seeing like in florida where there are barly a stay indoors order if that, if people can be charged or fined for breaking the stay in doors, what about those in charge of states defiantly keeping these things from happening. It's like they want their people to die.

Yes, I am sure that is it these governors and mayors want to reduce the surplus population. There can be no other possible explanation for their actions. After all people are incapable of acting rationally without orders from the government
 
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I keep seeing like in florida where there are barly a stay indoors order if that, if people can be charged or fined for breaking the stay in doors, what about those in charge of states defiantly keeping these things from happening. It's like they want their people to die.
No. It’s not like they have been ordered to by the president.
 
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A number of people probably should be held legally accountable but they won’t. Not unless some states have civil lawsuit rules loose enough.

Just wanted to back up a few people who have already said it’s not all governors btw. There have been some great responses by both Democratic and GOP governors. Those guys deserve praise.
 
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Yes, I am sure that is it these governors and mayors want to reduce the surplus population. There can be no other possible explanation for their actions. After all people are incapable of acting rationally without orders from the government

your saying that while the govenors are acting irationally....not very good argument. And it's about greed, some of them particularly florida seem to be worried abiout closing places like beaches that attract tourists. again, what possible reason is there other then incompetence or greed for opening public beaches after they were closed?
 
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A number of people probably should be held legally accountable but they won’t. Not unless some states have civil lawsuit rules loose enough.

Just wanted to back up a few people who have already said it’s not all governors btw. There have been some great responses by both Democratic and GOP governors. Those guys deserve praise.

oh yeah, but it's like florida that seems particularly problematic, mayors closed up all the beaches, and he ordered then to re-open them.
 
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your saying that while the govenors are acting irationally....not very good argument. And it's about greed, some of them particularly florida seem to be worried abiout closing places like beaches that attract tourists. again, what possible reason is there other then incompetence or greed for opening public beaches after they were closed?

Despite some evidence to the contrary, I suspect that those governors are people . Why expect them to act rationally without orders from a government? I don't suppose that anyone will ever be able to act rationally until there is a government that does not rely on having human beings ( i.e. those that are incapable of acting rationally without orders from the government) in charge in the government.
 
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