Why do Many Christians Ignore YHWH's Moedim?

solid_core · Apr 5, 2020

HARK! said:
LOL!

Letter of Barnabas, an early Christian work written in Greek by one of the so-called Apostolic Fathers...was the work of an unknown author who refers to himself in the letter as a teacher....

[But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ]

...Very anti-Jewish...It was less highly regarded elsewhere, however, and few Christians continued to read it.

Letter of Barnabas | work by Saint Barnabas

Justin Martyr - Dialogue with Trypho (Between 138A.D. and 161 A.D.)

We too, would observe your circumcision of the flesh, your Sabbath days, and in a word, all you festivals, if we were not aware of the reason why they were imposed upon you, namely, because of your sins and the hardness of heart.

The custom of circumcising the flesh, handed down from Abraham, was given to you as a distinguishing mark, to set you off from other nations and from us Christians. The purpose of this was that you and only you might suffer the afflictions that are now justly yours; that only your land be desolated, and you cities ruined by fire, that the fruits of you land be eaten by strangers before your very eyes; that not one of you be permitted to enter your city of Jerusalem. Your circumcision of the flesh is the only mark by which you can certainly be distinguished from other men…as I stated before it was by reason of your sins and the sins of your fathers that, among other precepts, God imposed upon you the observence of the sabbath as a mark.

You may not like the letter of Barnabas as you want, but the fact still stays that the early church did not keep any Jewish customs more than today.

And even if it would, because of the nfluence of judaizers, the fact still stays that its clearly stated in the New testament, that Christians from Gentiles are not bound by the law of Moses and by its shadows.

visionary · Apr 5, 2020

Therefore, the sound of the trumpet on Feast of Trumpets is a remembrance of the ultimate ingathering in the seventh month of God’s calendar. Remember Ephesians chapter 4 where it says this will not happen till we come together as a perfect man.

Who do you suppose that one man is in type? They came together in type in the seventh month as one man and they began to build. Seventh month is when the Feast of Trumpets begins to sound. Another reason given for the blowing of the trumpet on the Feast of Trumpets is for to remember the resurrection of the dead. Understand the words of Isaiah 18:3 to be a prophecy directed to the dead. "As a banner is lifted on the mountains, you will see, and as a trumpet is sounded, you will hear." This was understood to mean that when the final trumpet will be blown, the dead would rise and see and hear again. One of the soon to come to pass events that we need to remember. The coming of Yeshua includes a great trumpet blast which wakes up those sleeping in the dust.
Ezra 3:1 366 1Cor 15:52
In his letter to the believers at Colossians, Paul states that all of the Biblical Festivals are "shadows of things to come, the substance of Christ."[1] From the above list, it is obvious that the fall feasts are about the things to come. The list of remembrances reads like a synopsis of Jewish and Christian apocalyptic expectations in their proper order. The warning of impending judgment, the call to repentance, the fear of the Day of the LORD, the Ingathering of Israel, the rebuilding of the Temple, the final judgment, the resurrection of the dead and the coronation of the King are all familiar prophetic themes which both Jewish and Christian communities associate with the coming of Christ. It is clear that the Festival is ripe with end-times implications.

In view of Paul's statement that the festivals are "shadows of things to come," and in view of the ways in which the Spring Festivals of Unleavened Bread and Pentecost received a Messianic fulfillment within the events of the first coming of the Christ, Yeshua, one can hardly be surprised to find that the Fall Festivals speak to Christ's return. Yeshua himself invokes Feast of Trumpets imagery when he says, “They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky with power and great glory. And He will send forth His angels with a great trumpet and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of the sky to the other.”[2]

I lean more towards the seventh trumpet sounding long and hard throughout the last days from the Feast of Trumpets, through the Day of Atonement, and on through the Feast of Tabernacles right up to the eighth day.

For more trumpet references and purposes
Trumpets Used to Notify, Warn or Assemble Israel for War,
Numbers 10:2-9; Jeremiah 4:19; Amos 3:6; Numbers 31:6; Judges 3:27; Judges 6:34, 7:822; I Samuel 13:3
Trumpets Used as a Sound of Peace, End of Strife II Samuel 2:28, 18:16, 20:22.
Trumpets Signified Crowning a King, or Revolt
II Samuel 15:10; II Samuel 20:1; I Kings 1:34, 39; II Kings 9:13; II Kings 11:12, 14
Trumpet Used in Temple Worship
II Chronicles 5:3, 12-14, 7:6; Ezra 3:6, 10, 11; I Chronicles 15:24, 16:42
God's Voice is Full of Awesome Power, like a Trumpet
Revelation 1:10-11; Revelation 4:1; Psalm 29
God's Trumpet-Like Voice at Mt. Sinai
Exodus 19:16, 19; Exodus 20:18; Hebrews 12:18-29
Trumpets and LORD's Judgment Day Joel 2:1, 2, 11; Zephaniah 1:6-7, 14-18; Psalm 98:6,9
Message of Day of Trumpets is that We Should Repent Joel 2:1, 12-13,
Christ Comes to Rule Earth on the Last Trumpet Rev. 11:15, Trumpets, Atonement Joel 2:15; Lev. 25:9

Now isn't that a FEAST of TRUMPETS for the children of God to feast upon?
[1] Colossians 2:16,17

[2] Matthew 24:30,31

solid_core · Apr 5, 2020

HARK! said:
There isn't a whole lot of prophesy going on in the NT, or I would have posted more

Exactly. Do you know why?

HARK! · Apr 5, 2020

solid_core said:
You do not see the New testament writings to be Scriptures, to be inspired?

Are you kidding me? You responded to my quoting of John 1:1.

Have you read the NT? This is pretty basic stuff.

HARK! · Apr 5, 2020

solid_core said:
Now then, why do you try to test God by putting on the necks of Gentiles a yoke that neither we nor our ancestors have been able to bear?
Peter the Apostle to Judaizers, Ac 15:10

"We have heard that some went out from us without our authorization and disturbed you, troubling your minds by what they said."
The apostolic council to Christians from Gentiles, Ac 15:24

I thought that I went over this with you before...

Anyway, I don't encourage anyone to adhere to the Talmud. In my opinion it's historic commentary, nothing more.

chilehed · Apr 5, 2020

HARK! said:
You really aren't in a very good position of criticizing the writings of men who were filled with the Ruach Ha'Kodesh, far more than you or me.

You seem to be in the habit of ignoring what people say to you. YOU aren't an authoritative interpreter of Sacred Scripture, YOU have not been promised the charism of infallibility, and YOUR interpretations are binding on no one. You are treating YOUR personal, fallible interpretations of Sacred Scripture as if they were Sacred Scripture itself.

HARK! · Apr 5, 2020

solid_core said:
In Christianity, there is a consistency between what apostles said to Gentiles in the book of Acts and between dogmatic letters they sent to them.

I'm well aware of that. Do you have a point to make? I'm responding to way to many posts to try to sort through cryptic implications.

HARK! · Apr 5, 2020

SkyWriting said:
Everything goes over the Torah.

See also: #234

Non sequitur

HARK! · Apr 5, 2020

visionary said:
Trumpets were used to give warnings. In ancient Israel, a watchman blew a trumpet to sound an alarm when danger was approaching; just the way civil defense sirens are used in our modern world for natural disasters like tornados approaching and invasions. When the Israelite heard the sound of the trumpet, he knew to take note of some imminent danger. Ezekiel employs this image by comparing the words of the prophets to the sound of the trumpet warning. These warning in the form of trumpets from God are not to be trifled with. It will be on your own head for not taking warning seriously. [1]

If a person heard the words of the prophet but did not take warning from them, it will be his own fault when the trouble comes. The sound of the trumpet on Feast of Trumpets is a remembrance of the need to take warning from the words of the prophets.

The Feast of Trumpets is usually now observed on not one but on two consecutive days. The (Jewish) day begins at sundown and ends just before sundown the next day. Similarly, the months were calculated from the New Moon. The only Feast of Trumpets is the only feast that is set apart based the time of the new moon. Since Feast of Trumpets is the only appointed feast that begins on the first day of the month that makes it easy to know. As we are trying to narrow the field as to when is the soon return of Yeshua, it is important to remember what Yeshua said, “No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.”[2]

The next verse tells us He is speaking about the day of His coming. No one knew for sure whether the New Moon (the first day of the new month) would fall at the end of the 30th day or the 31st day. They had to wait until they saw the moon's crescent. We know that the Lord's coming will be signaled by a trumpet blast, the sound of a ram's horn. In the same way, the sound of the ram's horn ushers in the Feast of Trumpets. This is why this festival is celebrated for two days because of the uncertainty of the correct calendar day. Each new month was solemnly proclaimed to begin by the priests only after two witnesses testified to the appearance of the crescent of the moon. [3]

The trumpet was blown as a battle cry during sieges and assaults. When the soldiers heard the trumpet, they knew to initiate the attack. The prophets invoke the battle cry of the trumpet as they repeatedly warn of the impending destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple. One of the most famous was the fall of the wall at Jericho and the seven trumpets soundings.

There is to be another time that the trumpet will sound and it is coming upon us here in the near future. [4] Disaster following disaster, until the whole world will lie in ruins, all human shelters will be gone. Wars and rumors of wars will keep it from ever being peace anywhere in the world. The sealing of destiny are illustrated and announced with trumpets.[5] There were trumpets that were made out of the horn of a ram. The most famous ram in the Bible is the ram of Genesis 22 which was sacrificed in Isaac's place.

These that were sealed under the fifth seal, and told to wait for their brethren, could easily be waiting for holy city tread under foot forty and two months.347 Remember we are in the middle of a war here and the dragon, old satan himself knows his time is short and will go after those who believe and live what they believe. These people are not a organization but individuals who keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Yeshua. [6]

Watchmen are people who stood on the wall and are guarding the truth, the people from danger. They speak up and it is called blowing a trumpet to sound an alarm when danger was approaching a city. When the city inhabitants heard the sound of the trumpet, they were frightened of what unknown danger might be about to befall them. Amos employs this image of the fear inspired by the trumpet blast when he says, “If a trumpet is blown in a city, will not the people tremble?”[7]

The danger which approaches on Feast of Trumpets is God himself as he readies the heavenly court for judgement. In Jewish observance, the intervening days between the Feast of Trumpets and the Day of Atonement are called the "Awesome Days."

On the Day of Atonement, there will be the coming of the Lord to His temple, your mind. The second coming, and the coming of the Lord to His temple, is distinct and separate events. The Day of Atonement is the coming to His temple and the Feast of Tabernacles is the second coming. The coming of the Lord to His temple, Malachi foretells as the judgment. Before the Lord comes to the temple, he will send “my messenger” to prepare the way just as John, the Baptist prepared the way with a call to repentance before Yeshua began His ministry.

Malachi with these words prophetically pointed out that this coming will be harder to abide by for some. It will be for the believers, the messenger of the covenant that they have waited for: “Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the LORD, whom you seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom you delight in: behold, he shall come, said the LORD of hosts. But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap: And he shall sit as a refiner and purifier of silver: and he shall purify, and purge them as gold and silver, that they may offer unto the LORD an offering in righteousness. Then shall the offering be pleasant unto the LORD, as in the days of old, and as in former years. And I will come near to you to judgment; and I will be a swift witness against the sorcerers, and against the adulterers, and against false swearers, and against those that oppress the hireling in his wages, the widow, and the fatherless, and that turn aside the stranger from his right, and fear not me, said the LORD of hosts. For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore you sons of Jacob are not consumed. Even from the days of your fathers you are gone away from mine ordinances, and have not kept them. Return unto me, and I will return unto you, said the LORD of hosts.[8]

They are to be days of intense soul searching and repentance and even fear as we prepare to enter the presence of the judge of all creation. Amos reminds us to fear the judgement of God as we would tremble at the sound of the watchman's trumpet.

[1] Ezekiel 33:4
[2] Matt 24:36
[3] Revelation 11:3
[4] Jeremiah 4:19-21; Revelation 6:4
[5] Revelation 6:9 347 Revelation 11:2
[6] Revelation 12:17
[7] Amos 3:6
[8] Malachi 3:1-8

AWESOME POST!

Had you considered trumpets regarding the coronation of the King?

I do believe they will announce his coming.

Dkh587 · Apr 5, 2020

Hammster said:
I’m not going to let you avoid answering. If you don’t want to answer, then so be it.

My answer: they would use the scriptures.

do you acknowledge your error?

HARK! · Apr 5, 2020

visionary said:
Therefore, the sound of the trumpet on Feast of Trumpets is a remembrance of the ultimate ingathering in the seventh month of God’s calendar. Remember Ephesians chapter 4 where it says this will not happen till we come together as a perfect man.

Who do you suppose that one man is in type? They came together in type in the seventh month as one man and they began to build. Seventh month is when the Feast of Trumpets begins to sound. Another reason given for the blowing of the trumpet on the Feast of Trumpets is for to remember the resurrection of the dead. Understand the words of Isaiah 18:3 to be a prophecy directed to the dead. "As a banner is lifted on the mountains, you will see, and as a trumpet is sounded, you will hear." This was understood to mean that when the final trumpet will be blown, the dead would rise and see and hear again. One of the soon to come to pass events that we need to remember. The coming of Yeshua includes a great trumpet blast which wakes up those sleeping in the dust.
Ezra 3:1 366 1Cor 15:52
In his letter to the believers at Colossians, Paul states that all of the Biblical Festivals are "shadows of things to come, the substance of Christ."[1] From the above list, it is obvious that the fall feasts are about the things to come. The list of remembrances reads like a synopsis of Jewish and Christian apocalyptic expectations in their proper order. The warning of impending judgment, the call to repentance, the fear of the Day of the LORD, the Ingathering of Israel, the rebuilding of the Temple, the final judgment, the resurrection of the dead and the coronation of the King are all familiar prophetic themes which both Jewish and Christian communities associate with the coming of Christ. It is clear that the Festival is ripe with end-times implications.

In view of Paul's statement that the festivals are "shadows of things to come," and in view of the ways in which the Spring Festivals of Unleavened Bread and Pentecost received a Messianic fulfillment within the events of the first coming of the Christ, Yeshua, one can hardly be surprised to find that the Fall Festivals speak to Christ's return. Yeshua himself invokes Feast of Trumpets imagery when he says, “They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky with power and great glory. And He will send forth His angels with a great trumpet and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of the sky to the other.”[2]

I lean more towards the seventh trumpet sounding long and hard throughout the last days from the Feast of Trumpets, through the Day of Atonement, and on through the Feast of Tabernacles right up to the eighth day.

For more trumpet references and purposes
Trumpets Used to Notify, Warn or Assemble Israel for War,
Numbers 10:2-9; Jeremiah 4:19; Amos 3:6; Numbers 31:6; Judges 3:27; Judges 6:34, 7:822; I Samuel 13:3
Trumpets Used as a Sound of Peace, End of Strife II Samuel 2:28, 18:16, 20:22.
Trumpets Signified Crowning a King, or Revolt
II Samuel 15:10; II Samuel 20:1; I Kings 1:34, 39; II Kings 9:13; II Kings 11:12, 14
Trumpet Used in Temple Worship
II Chronicles 5:3, 12-14, 7:6; Ezra 3:6, 10, 11; I Chronicles 15:24, 16:42
God's Voice is Full of Awesome Power, like a Trumpet
Revelation 1:10-11; Revelation 4:1; Psalm 29
God's Trumpet-Like Voice at Mt. Sinai
Exodus 19:16, 19; Exodus 20:18; Hebrews 12:18-29
Trumpets and LORD's Judgment Day Joel 2:1, 2, 11; Zephaniah 1:6-7, 14-18; Psalm 98:6,9
Message of Day of Trumpets is that We Should Repent Joel 2:1, 12-13,
Christ Comes to Rule Earth on the Last Trumpet Rev. 11:15, Trumpets, Atonement Joel 2:15; Lev. 25:9

Now isn't that a FEAST of TRUMPETS for the children of God to feast upon?
[1] Colossians 2:16,17

[2] Matthew 24:30,31

I see now. you couldn't write it all in one post.

OUTSTANDING WORK!

Dkh587 · Apr 5, 2020

SwordmanJr said:
If one dare read the CONTEXT of 1 Cor. 5:8, and take into consideration the SPIRITUAL language Paul used in relation to a feast, reading it literally is nothing more than a legalistic bent screw-twisted down into the text, thus slaughtering the meaning.

The CONTEXT of that entire section is about DISCIPLINE within the CHURCH, and the feast rather than with the OLD LEAVENED BREAD is replaced with the bread of SINCERITY and TRUTH. Those are not physical things observed under the Law. What better way to deal with the fornication and other sins within that church?

[1Co 5:7-8 KJV] 7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us: 8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened [bread] of sincerity and truth.

A feast recognizing the sacrifice of Christ Jesus as our Passover, it was/is fulfilled in Him. So, you folks who want to practice it with the old bread, go for it. I have no problem with that. We Gentiles observe His sacrifice with sincerity and with TRUTH. Jesus said "As often as you do this, do it remembrance of Me." That sacrifice is the cleansing of all our sin, His flesh and His blood of which we remember.

Jr

your misunderstanding of “fulfilled” is what is keeping you from seeing the bigger picture.

HARK! · Apr 5, 2020

SkyWriting said:
Sure:

G-d

To know that G-d exists (Ex. 20:2; Deut. 5:6) (CCA1). See What Do Jews Believe?.

Not to entertain the idea that there is any god but the Eternal (Ex. 20:3) (CCN8). See What Do Jews Believe?.

Not to blaspheme (Ex. 22:27; in Christian texts, Ex. 22:28), the penalty for which is death (Lev. 24:16) (negative).

To hallow G-d's name (Lev. 22:32) (CCA5). See The Name of G-d.

Not to profane G-d's name (Lev . 22:32) (CCN155). See The Name of G-d.

To know that G-d is One, a complete Unity (Deut. 6:4) (CCA2). See What Do Jews Believe?.

To love G-d (Deut. 6:5) (CCA3). See What Do Jews Believe?.

To fear Him reverently (Deut. 6:13; 10:20) (CCA4).

Not to put the word of G-d to the test (Deut. 6:16) (negative).

To imitate His good and upright ways (Deut. 28:9) (CCA6).

Torah

To honor the old and the wise (Lev. 19:32) (CCA17).

To learn Torah and to teach it (Deut. 6:7) (CCA14). See Torah.

To cleave to those who know Him (Deut. 10:20) (the Talmud states that cleaving to scholars is equivalent to cleaving to Him) (CCA16).

Not to add to the commandments of the Torah, whether in the Written Law or in its interpretation received by tradition (Deut. 13:1) (CCN159). See Torah.

Not to take away from the commandments of the Torah (Deut. 13:1) (CCN160). See Torah.

That every person shall write a scroll of the Torah for himself (Deut. 31:19) (CCA15). See Torah.

Signs and Symbols

To circumcise the male offspring (Gen. 17:12; Lev. 12:3) (CCA47) See Brit Milah: Circumcision.

To put tzitzit on the corners of clothing (Num. 15:38) (CCA10). See Tzitzit and Tallit.

To bind tefillin on the head (Deut. 6:8) (CCA9). See Tefillin.

To bind tefillin on the arm (Deut. 6:8) (CCA8). See Tefillin.

To affix the mezuzah to the doorposts and gates of your house (Deut. 6:9) (CCA12). See Mezuzah.

Prayer and Blessings

To pray to G-d (Ex. 23:25; Deut. 6:13) (according to the Talmud, the word "serve" in these verses refers to prayer) (CCA7). See Prayers and Blessings; Jewish Liturgy.

To read the Shema in the morning and at night (Deut. 6:7) (CCA11). See Jewish Liturgy.

To recite grace after meals (Deut. 8:10) (CCA13). See Birkat Ha-Mazon: Grace After Meals

Not to lay down a stone for worship (Lev. 26:1) (CCN161).

Love and Brotherhood

To love all human beings who are of the covenant (Lev. 19:18) (CCA60). See Love and Brotherhood.

Not to stand by idly when a human life is in danger (Lev. 19:16) (CCN82). See Love and Brotherhood.

Not to wrong any one in speech (Lev. 25:17) (CCN48). See Speech and Lashon Ha-Ra.

Not to carry tales (Lev. 19:16) (CCN77). See Speech and Lashon Ha-Ra.

Not to cherish hatred in one's heart (Lev. 19:17) (CCN78). See Love and Brotherhood.

Not to take revenge (Lev. 19:18) (CCN80).

Not to bear a grudge (Lev. 19:18) (CCN81).

Not to put any Jew to shame (Lev. 19:17) (CCN79).

Not to curse any other Israelite (Lev. 19:14) (by implication: if you may not curse those who cannot hear, you certainly may not curse those who can) (CCN45).

Not to give occasion to the simple-minded to stumble on the road (Lev. 19:14) (this includes doing anything that will cause another to sin) (CCN76).

To rebuke the sinner (Lev. 19:17) (CCA72).

To relieve a neighbor of his burden and help to unload his beast (Ex. 23:5) (CCA70). See Love and Brotherhood.

To assist in replacing the load upon a neighbor's beast (Deut. 22:4) (CCA71). See Love and Brotherhood.

Not to leave a beast, that has fallen down beneath its burden, unaided (Deut. 22:4) (CCN183). See Love and Brotherhood.

The Poor and Unfortunate

Not to afflict an orphan or a widow (Ex. 22:21) (CCN51).

Not to reap the entire field (Lev. 19:9; Lev. 23:22) (negative) (CCI6).

To leave the unreaped corner of the field or orchard for the poor (Lev. 19:9) (affirmative) (CCI1).

Not to gather gleanings (the ears that have fallen to the ground while reaping) (Lev. 19:9) (negative) (CCI7).

To leave the gleanings for the poor (Lev. 19:9) (affirmative) (CCI2).

Not to gather ol'loth (the imperfect clusters) of the vineyard (Lev. 19:10) (negative) (CCI8).

To leave ol'loth (the imperfect clusters) of the vineyard for the poor (Lev. 19:10; Deut. 24:21) (affirmative) (CCI3).

Not to gather the peret (grapes) that have fallen to the ground (Lev. 19:10) (negative) (CCI9).

To leave peret (the single grapes) of the vineyard for the poor (Lev. 19:10) (affirmative) (CCI4).

Not to return to take a forgotten sheaf (Deut. 24:19) This applies to all fruit trees (Deut. 24:20) (negative) (CC10).

To leave the forgotten sheaves for the poor (Deut. 24:19-20) (affirmative) (CCI5).

Not to refrain from maintaining a poor man and giving him what he needs (Deut. 15:7) (CCN62). See Tzedakah: Charity.

To give charity according to one's means (Deut. 15:11) (CCA38). See Tzedakah: Charity.

Treatment of Gentiles

To love the stranger (Deut. 10:19) (CCA61). See Love and Brotherhood.

Not to wrong the stranger in speech (Ex. 22:20) (CCN49).

Not to wrong the stranger in buying or selling (Ex. 22:20) (CCN50).

Not to intermarry with gentiles (Deut. 7:3) (CCN19). See Interfaith Marriages.

To exact the debt of an alien (Deut. 15:3) (affirmative).

To lend to an alien at interest (Deut. 23:21) According to tradition, this is mandatory (affirmative).

Marriage, Divorce and Family

To honor father and mother (Ex. 20:12) (CCA41).

Not to smite a father or a mother (Ex. 21:15) (CCN44).

Not to curse a father or mother (Ex. 21:17) (CCN46).

To reverently fear father and mother (Lev. 19:3) (CCA42).

To be fruitful and multiply (Gen. 1:28) (CCA43).

That a eunuch shall not marry a daughter of Israel (Deut. 23:2) (CCN136).

That a mamzer shall not marry the daughter of a Jew (Deut. 23:3) (CCN137). See Prohibited Marriages and Illegitimate Children.

That an Ammonite or Moabite shall never marry the daughter of an Israelite (Deut. 23:4) (negative).

Not to exclude a descendant of Esau from the community of Israel for three generations (Deut. 23:8-9) (negative).

Not to exclude an Egyptian from the community of Israel for three generations (Deut. 23:8-9) (negative).

That there shall be no harlot (in Israel); that is, that there shall be no intercourse with a woman, without previous marriage with a deed of marriage and formal declaration of marriage (Deut. 23:18) (CCN133). See Marriage.

To take a wife by kiddushin, the sacrament of marriage (Deut. 24:1) (CCA44). See The Process of Marriage: Kiddushin and Nisuin.

That the newly married husband shall (be free) for one year to rejoice with his wife (Deut. 24:5) (affirmative).

That a bridegroom shall be exempt for a whole year from taking part in any public labor, such as military service, guarding the wall and similar duties (Deut. 24:5) (negative).

Not to withhold food, clothing or conjugal rights from a wife (Ex. 21:10) (CCN42). See The Marital Relationship.

That the woman suspected of adultery shall be dealt with as prescribed in the Torah (Num. 5:30) (affirmative).

That one who defames his wife's honor (by falsely accusing her of unchastity before marriage) must live with her all his lifetime (Deut. 22:19) (affirmative).

That a man may not divorce his wife concerning whom he has published an evil report (about her unchastity before marriage) (Deut. 22:19) (negative).

To divorce by a formal written document (Deut. 24:1) (affirmative). See The Process of Obtaining a Divorce.

That one who divorced his wife shall not remarry her, if after the divorce she had been married to another man (Deut. 24:4) (CCN134). See Divorce.

That a widow whose husband died childless must not be married to anyone but her deceased husband's brother (Deut. 25:5) (CCN135) (this is only in effect insofar as it requires the procedure of release below).

To marry the widow of a brother who has died childless (Deut. 25:5) (this is only in effect insofar as it requires the procedure of release below ) (CCA45).

That the widow formally release the brother-in-law (if he refuses to marry her) (Deut. 25:7-9) (CCA46).

Forbidden Sexual Relations

Not to indulge in familiarities with relatives, such as kissing, embracing, winking, skipping, which may lead to incest (Lev. 18:6) (CCN110).

Not to commit incest with one's mother (Lev. 18:7) (CCN112). See Prohibited Marriages and Illegitimate Children.

Not to commit sodomy with one's father (Lev. 18:7) (CCN111).

Not to commit incest with one's father's wife (Lev. 18:8) (CCN113). See Prohibited Marriages and Illegitimate Children.

Not to commit incest with one's sister (Lev. 18:9) (CCN127). See Prohibited Marriages and Illegitimate Children.

Not to commit incest with one's father's wife's daughter (Lev. 18:11) (CCN128). See Prohibited Marriages and Illegitimate Children.

Not to commit incest with one's son's daughter (Lev. 18:10) (CCN119) (Note: CC treats this and the next as one commandment; however, Rambam treats them as two). See Prohibited Marriages and Illegitimate Children.

Not to commit incest with one's daughter's daughter (Lev. 18:10) (CCN119) (Note: CC treats this and the previous as one commandment; however, Rambam treats them as two). See Prohibited Marriages and Illegitimate Children.

Not to commit incest with one's daughter (this is not explicitly in the Torah but is inferred from other explicit commands that would include it) (CCN120). See Prohibited Marriages and Illegitimate Children.

Not to commit incest with one's fathers sister (Lev. 18:12) (CCN129). See Prohibited Marriages and Illegitimate Children.

Not to commit incest with one's mother's sister (Lev. 18:13) (CCN130). See Prohibited Marriages and Illegitimate Children.

Not to commit incest with one's father's brothers wife (Lev. 18:14) (CCN125). See Prohibited Marriages and Illegitimate Children.

Not to commit sodomy with one's father's brother (Lev. 18:14) (CCN114).

Not to commit incest with one's son's wife (Lev. 18:15) (CCN115). See Prohibited Marriages and Illegitimate Children.

Not to commit incest with one's brother's wife (Lev. 18:16) (CCN126). See Prohibited Marriages and Illegitimate Children.

Not to commit incest with one's wife's daughter (Lev. 18:17) (CCN121). See Prohibited Marriages and Illegitimate Children.

Not to commit incest with the daughter of one's wife's son (Lev. 18:17) (CCN122). See Prohibited Marriages and Illegitimate Children.

Not to commit incest with the daughter of one's wife's daughter (Lev. 18:17) (CCN123). See Prohibited Marriages and Illegitimate Children.

Not to commit incest with one's wife's sister (Lev. 18:18) (CCN131). See Prohibited Marriages and Illegitimate Children.

Not to have intercourse with a woman, in her menstrual period (Lev. 18:19) (CCN132).

Not to have intercourse with another man's wife (Lev. 18:20) (CCN124).

Not to commit sodomy with a male (Lev. 18:22) (CCN116).

Not to have intercourse with a beast (Lev. 18:23) (CCN117).

That a woman shall not have intercourse with a beast (Lev. 18:23) (CCN118).

Not to castrate the male of any species; neither a man, nor a domestic or wild beast, nor a fowl (Lev. 22:24) (CCN143)...

...

610: Always to remember what Amalek did (Deut. 25:17) (CCA76).
611. That the evil done to us by Amalek shall not be forgotten (Deut. 25:19) (CCN194).
613. To destroy the seed of Amalek (Deut. 25:19) (CCA77).

Judaism 101: A List of the 613 Mitzvot (Commandments)

New King James Version
just as Abraham “believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.”

Josheb · Apr 5, 2020

HARK! said:
Why don't we see the evidence of this?

Most Christians do. It is only Christians who filter the Bible through incorrect theologies or eschatologies that do not inform the adherent to 1) understand the text correctly and 2) observe the fulfillment in scriptural terms.

For example, much of prophesy is written with aspects of rhetoric or hyperbole. Prophesy is by nature figurative and symbolic language and often times the symbolism is explained later in the same passage, but sometimes it is an allusion or reference to entirely different books of the Bible or historical aspects of Judaism and those meanings are missed by those lacking that knowledge.

The mention of "the whole earth," "all the world," or "all creation" would be glaring examples of hyperbole often ignored. This can be observed in Paul's statement the gospel had been preached throughout all creation (Col. 1:23). Clearly Paul did not mean the gospel had been preached to those living in Siberia or the Americas. No one in Israel, Greece, or Rome (at least not in Paul's circles) even knew the Americas existed! If what Paul wrote is true then Matthew 24:14 was fulfilled in the first century!

That is the Bible rendering the Bible.

It is not the Bible being rendered by man-made theology.

We're supposed to develop our theology from correctly-scripture, not render scripture through incorrectly-developed eschatology.

And I believe I have traded posts with you on the problem of using Judaism as a measure of prophesy. Judaism is undoubtedly the preceding context for understanding much of the NT and therefore Christianity but the Jewish theology had a lot of mistaken ideas that should NOT be included in Christian theology. Judaism completely missed the definition and meaning of the Messiah. They were expecting a warrior-king who would physically and geo-politically overthrew the occupiers and oppressors of Israel. They also built their theology around a temple of stone, and earthly monarchy, and animal sacrifices that simple logic tells us didn't address, much less solve the problem of sin literally.

We know this is true a lot because much of Jesus' teaching is spent correcting the misguided ideas and teachings of Judaism in his day. We read, "You have heard it said..............., but I say...............," and he then corrects some errant view taught either common in his day or taught by the religious leaders. Everyone (well, most of us) pick up on the fact Jesus is correcting the leaders and their historical views but we don't always carry that over into the whole of Judaism or the OT. I can give you examples of these failings if you like.

Ultimately, it is understandable how someone might copy-and-paste the festival of shelters into some passage about something Jesus said was yet to happen, like his enthronement, but most of those Jesus-spoken prophesies were spoken before Calvary, Pentecost, and his ascension. Sometime the NT tells us in quite explicit words that a given prophesy was fulfilled but adherents of certain eschatologies or theologies ignore what is actually stated and reinterpret it based on their theology, not what the biblical text actually factually, plainly, clearly, irrefutably states. A glaringly obvious example of this would be Acts 2:30-31,

Acts 2:30-31
"30“And so, because he was a prophet and knew that God had sworn to him with an oath to seat one of his descendants on his throne, 31he looked ahead and spoke of the resurrection of the Christ..."

So.....

David was speaking under the inspiration of God.
The reference is 2 Samuel 7.
Peter is speaking under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit.
God declares through Peter David was speaking about Jesus (not Solomon).
God further states that the descendant sitting on the throne isn't solely about Jesus but specifically about Jesus' resurrection.

That is what the text actually states. I didn't add or remove anything from scripture. Now that causes a "Hmmm..." moment where anyone and everyone reading Acts 2 is immediately forced into a position where they will have to accept God's word as written, or not. The text is confrontational to some because it means there's no earthly Davidic throne! It also means all theologies built around an earthly thrown of David.... are wrong! God just explained that when He was prophesying to David He was talking about Jesus resurrected. If the allegiance is to God's word plainly stated and plainly read then we adjust our thinking, doctrine, and practice accordingly but if the allegiance is to theology over scripture then a series of intellectual and theological gymnastics occur by which the meaning of the text is changed.

And if we go back to 2 Samuel 7 and read that passage with Acts 2 in mind then the 2 Samuel 7 text makes a lot of sense.

Then we form our theology. After the facts of scripture are in, not before.

Most of Christendom has understood this all the way back to the NT era. It is those who have been raised in errant theologies that think their view is the common majority view when it is not. It amounts to confirmation bias.

So most of us Christians understand Jesus is enthroned and the body of Christ is God's temple, and within that context we leave our houses each morning endeavoring to live by faith and victoriously assert the gospel over everything we encounter as the Holy Spirit informs, inspires, and empowers.

We're not sitting on our backsides waiting for another temple to be built or the world, the world to plummet into depravity, and the Church to become impotent. We believe what Jesus said, when he said not even the gates of hell would overpower the ekklesia.

Neither do we idealize it and imagine a perfect world. Jesus said there would always be poor people and there would always be conflict between light and dark, at least until satan and death itself are destroyed. Only when we are raised incorruptible and immortal will perfection exist.

The festivals were all foreshadowings of Jesus and Jesus has come and gone and fulfilled all the festivals, and most of us do see that fulfillment in our lives.

I can provide you with a list of Christian sources to further explain what I have summarized above, if you like.

HARK! · Apr 5, 2020

visionary said:
This is why Joel says that Christ will come in the first month, both for the first coming and for the second, both in the spring and in the fall. Interesting that you find seven trumpets in Revelation and not many people have made any connection with the Feast of Trumpets. It would take understanding of the Feast of Trumpets throughout scripture and prophecy of

Old and New Testament prophets to glean concepts and understand the significance of the Feast of Trumpets. The Feast of Trumpets is about remembrances, a memorial, but the Bible does not tell us what we are supposed to remember! Neither the name of the festival or the meaning of the festival is made explicitly clear in the Bible. The symbolism of this festival is something of a mystery, a sort of Bible riddle begging to be solved.

You have really been working on this. The faces changed often, and our congregation changed buildings three times; but You've provided much info that I've never seen before.

I would like you to see you start a series on the Moedim in the Messianic Forum if you would. Many could learn from you.

I'm going to have to save these posts to my files.

HARK! · Apr 5, 2020

visionary said:
The place of His sanctuary, which is our minds, will be cast down, polluted and need serious cleansing. Good thing that Yeshua cleansed the temple at the start of His ministry and then again at the end of His earthly ministry for us. During the Feast of Trumpets come all the last warnings that this world will receive before the plagues fall. [1]

In Yeshua’s ministry you will find there the promise that He will cleanse His temple twice. At the start when you first gave your heart to Yeshua and received the baptism of the Holy Spirit which is the first cleansing. So your first cleansing of your temple by Yeshua through the Holy Spirit starts your journey with Him. At the end, with what is called the latter rain there will be a greater baptism called the Baptism of Fire. In order to understand the third baptism which is of fire, you need to understand that God is a consuming fire. Sin is consumed, and if the sinner is still entangled in the sin, he too will be consumed.[2]

[1] Ezekiel 12:1-28
[2] Deuteronomy 4:24; Deuteronomy 9:3

WOW!

This is deep!

Dkh587 · Apr 5, 2020

solid_core said:
You may not like the letter of Barnabas as you want, but the fact still stays that the early church did not keep any Jewish customs more than today.

And even if it would, because of the nfluence of judaizers, the fact still stays that its clearly stated in the New testament, that Christians from Gentiles are not bound by the law of Moses and by its shadows.

The letter of Barnabas is just like the traditions of the elders of the Pharisees - a manmade tradition that causes people to transgress the law of God

solid_core · Apr 5, 2020

Dkh587 said:
The letter of Barnabas is just like the traditions of the elders of the Pharisees - a manmade tradition that causes people to transgress the law of God

Nonsense.

Its written in canonical Scriptures that Christians from Gentiles are not under the law. So the letter of Barnabas only confirms that and is a witness of the early church opinions about the issue.

And Christians from Jews died to the law. Christians from Gentiles have never been under the law of Moses and Christians from Jews died to it.

Hammster · Apr 5, 2020

Dkh587 said:
My answer: they would use the scriptures.

do you acknowledge your error?

And what did they use before?

Dkh587 · Apr 5, 2020

Hammster said:
And what did they use before?

Your turn to answer my question.

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