Hydroxychloroquine rated ‘most effective’ coronavirus treatment

blackribbon said:

This is only one of many medications being used and studied in hospitals to treat Covid. I am more impressed with a different medication that had my patient sitting on the side of his bed today after being on a ventilator for almost two weeks...and getting stronger every day.

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What was the other drug if you don’t mind me asking?

Remdisivir (spelling might be off). It makes more sense that it would work because it is actually an anti-viral medication. But be careful making armchair calls because there likely is more to which people get deadly sick and others just feel uncomfortable for a few days. The same thing might mean why drug cocktails might work on certain groups of people and it may not work on everyone sick. We are still in the learning time, not the solution period.

blackribbon said:

This is only one of many medications being used and studied in hospitals to treat Covid. I am more impressed with a different medication that had my patient sitting on the side of his bed today after being on a ventilator for almost two weeks...and getting stronger every day.

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I got a question. You're actually on the front line as a nurse. Now I"m sure the answer depends on what part of the country you're in but in your hospital.....has it really been surge with people coming in with serious problems? How do you compare what's happening now to other years of other strains of things?

FACT CHECK: Premature — Trump Continues To Claim Drug Can Treat Coronavirus

Their interest is based on laboratory studies showing that the drug, hydroxychloroquine, blocked the coronavirus from entering cells. There's no solid evidence, as yet though, that the drug actually is an effective COVID-19 treatment.

In fact, medical experts have warned against buying it for that purpose, because that might exhaust supplies for people who actually need it.

That hasn't stopped President Trump from repeatedly claiming that hydroxychloroquine is a promising treatment for COVID-19. At a White House briefing on Friday, he brought it up again.

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TLK Valentine said:

FACT CHECK: Premature — Trump Continues To Claim Drug Can Treat Coronavirus

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There was no solid evidence that man could land on the Moon until they did it either so what's your point?

But THERE IS evidence that doctors....PROFESSIONALS in the field AGREE with Trump so why don't you at least acknowledge that? What would be your motives for not doing so? 6000 doctors surveyed world wide and out of 15 options hydroxychloroquine scored the highest consideration for the drug which could help. Click on link below!

Hydroxychloroquine rated ‘most effective therapy’ by doctors for coronavirus: Global survey

Bobber said:

There was no solid evidence that man could land on the Moon until they did it either so what's your point?

But THERE IS evidence that doctors....PROFESSIONALS in the field AGREE with Trump so why don't you at least acknowledge that? What would be your motives for not doing so? 6000 doctors surveyed world wide and out of 15 options hydroxychloroquine scored the highest consideration for the drug which could help. Click on link below!

Hydroxychloroquine rated ‘most effective therapy’ by doctors for coronavirus: Global survey

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It could help. Or it could turn out to have serious side effects that ruin peoples lives or kill them. There’s a good reason why you don’t just take medication randomly.

I am in a designated "hot spot" ... that is enough about my actual location. For the few who get very sick, enough to be intubated, this is unreal because they go downhill very fast...and often look and sound "okay" but can't keep their oxygen levels up. My major city's hospitals are basically closed for anything but emergencies and Covid patients needing nursing care. All the beds are not full (even when there are reports of overflowing) but rather units are closed ... like surgery and units that care for elective procedures. I work in a 600 bed hospital and when I left on Friday, I think only two units and the behaviorial health were not Covid. I haven't been to ICU but the PACU was patients lined up on ventilators...no curtains pulled because the staff needed to be able to see everyone at all times. The hallways and unit before that one was completely empty of people.

In a normal year, every hospital bed is full during flu season...and people are often waiting for beds to open up. Flu patients are put in isolation all over the hospital. The staff has enough supplies to be performing proper infection control practices like throwing away the gowns and masks every time we walk out of a room cleaning up and putting on clean isolation gear at the next room. We also are vaccinated to reduce our risk at getting what we are exposed to.

This virus we know nothing about. They are changing our policies daily and they are not based on what is in the best interest of the staff's safety or preventing infection from moving from room to room. We simply don't have the tools we are used to working with to protect ourselves or our patients. We are doing our best...and nurses, doctors and other healthcare people are dying...because they are forced to work without proper protection with infected patients and they don't care if the staff is high risk or immune compromised. (Yes, your nurse might be actively getting chemo while caring for you because she can't afford to lose her medical insurance).

As for those "without pre-existing conditions"...well, being a smoker or vape-er isn't a pre-existing condition but it does compromise your lungs. I don't know how much marijuana messes with a person's lungs and most people don't identify this. I know that smoker or COPD has been on the chart for almost all my Covid patients.

The government's role in this IMO is to keep the virus out like we did really well with many other pandemic threats in past years. However, this virus doesn't have symptoms early in its course so it couldn't be screened like previous viruses. And the US citizens didn't really take the warnings by the government to prevent spread seriously. Did you see all the college students on the beaches...and stayed longer to party after their colleges closed? (Not likely all Trump fans). We did this to ourselves.

Then panic set out was people started hording...stupid things like toilet paper (for a respiratory disease)??

For past pandemics...(yes, there have been some with 2009 being the most recent)...schools didn't close and the country didn't fall apart even though 60 million people got sick and 12,000 died. Most people didn't even realize that happened. But the media wasn't out to "get" Obama and blame him for everything...or scare everyone because they had forgotten the difference between the news and editorials.

Last year, over 20,000 Americans died of the flu. In 2017, over 80,000 Americans died of the flu (did that make the news?). Trump is struggling to keep up with the media hype that is causing nationwide panic that is not proportional to this disease. The biggest issue is that this disease is new and we are having to figure it out in the trenches.

People are [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]ed that he doesn't overstep his federal boundaries...but he can't help states like mine until the state government fills out the correct paperwork and ASKs for the federal government's help. I think my Governor deserves the rebuke she got. It reminds me of the Louisiana governor getting made that he (she?) didn't get more federal help faster after Katrina...but never got around to following the steps needed to get it. Bush was waiting to jump in but couldn't...per our rightfully given states rights in our union.

Every flu season is a mess in the hospital. I predict that next year, Covid patients will be put on normally function units next to hospitalized flu patients and it won't be a crisis situation beyond just normal overflowing flu season overflow...maybe less if there is a vaccine developed.

Kentonio said:

It could help. Or it could turn out to have serious side effects that ruin peoples lives or kill them. There’s a good reason why you don’t just take medication randomly.

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The drugs are being used daily...all the different combinations IN THE HOSPITAL settings. We don't know what could happen to someone on these untested regimes...it could cure the disease but you could die from an unidentified side affect or complication. Next year, you will likely be able to get a prescription for some treatment plan that you can take at home when the symptoms show up. We don't just hand out unknown drug treatment to anyone and say "good luck...I hope it works"...and we wouldn't know if they died from the treatment or because they drank a beer while taking the treatment and the two drugs interacted in a bad way.

blackribbon said:

I am in a designated "hot spot" ... that is enough about my actual location. For the few who get very sick, enough to be intubated, this is unreal because they go downhill very fast...and often look and sound "okay" but can't keep their oxygen levels up. My major city's hospitals are basically closed for anything but emergencies and Covid patients needing nursing care. All the beds are not full (even when there are reports of overflowing) but rather units are closed ... like surgery and units that care for elective procedures. I work in a 600 bed hospital and when I left on Friday, I think only two units and the behaviorial health were not Covid. I haven't been to ICU but the PACU was patients lined up on ventilators...no curtains pulled because the staff needed to be able to see everyone at all times. The hallways and unit before that one was completely empty of people.

In a normal year, every hospital bed is full during flu season...and people are often waiting for beds to open up. Flu patients are put in isolation all over the hospital. The staff has enough supplies to be performing proper infection control practices like throwing away the gowns and masks every time we walk out of a room cleaning up and putting on clean isolation gear at the next room. We also are vaccinated to reduce our risk at getting what we are exposed to.

This virus we know nothing about. They are changing our policies daily and they are not based on what is in the best interest of the staff's safety or preventing infection from moving from room to room. We simply don't have the tools we are used to working with to protect ourselves or our patients. We are doing our best...and nurses, doctors and other healthcare people are dying...because they are forced to work without proper protection with infected patients and they don't care if the staff is high risk or immune compromised. (Yes, your nurse might be actively getting chemo while caring for you because she can't afford to lose her medical insurance).

As for those "without pre-existing conditions"...well, being a smoker or vape-er isn't a pre-existing condition but it does compromise your lungs. I don't know how much marijuana messes with a person's lungs and most people don't identify this. I know that smoker or COPD has been on the chart for almost all my Covid patients.

The government's role in this IMO is to keep the virus out like we did really well with many other pandemic threats in past years. However, this virus doesn't have symptoms early in its course so it couldn't be screened like previous viruses. And the US citizens didn't really take the warnings by the government to prevent spread seriously. Did you see all the college students on the beaches...and stayed longer to party after their colleges closed? (Not likely all Trump fans). We did this to ourselves.

Then panic set out was people started hording...stupid things like toilet paper (for a respiratory disease)??

For past pandemics...(yes, there have been some with 2009 being the most recent)...schools didn't close and the country didn't fall apart even though 60 million people got sick and 12,000 died. Most people didn't even realize that happened. But the media wasn't out to "get" Obama and blame him for everything...or scare everyone because they had forgotten the difference between the news and editorials.

Last year, over 20,000 Americans died of the flu. In 2017, over 80,000 Americans died of the flu (did that make the news?). Trump is struggling to keep up with the media hype that is causing nationwide panic that is not proportional to this disease. The biggest issue is that this disease is new and we are having to figure it out in the trenches.

People are [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]ed that he doesn't overstep his federal boundaries...but he can't help states like mine until the state government fills out the correct paperwork and ASKs for the federal government's help. I think my Governor deserves the rebuke she got. It reminds me of the Louisiana governor getting made that he (she?) didn't get more federal help faster after Katrina...but never got around to following the steps needed to get it. Bush was waiting to jump in but couldn't...per our rightfully given states rights in our union.

Every flu season is a mess in the hospital. I predict that next year, Covid patients will be put on normally function units next to hospitalized flu patients and it won't be a crisis situation beyond just normal overflowing flu season overflow...maybe less if there is a vaccine developed.

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Very, very informative. Thanks for sharing it.

Hydroxychloroquine rated ‘most effective’ coronavirus treatment

Oxycontin was once considered the new "miracle drug" that wasn't supposed to be addictive and look at the carnage that created - it is tempting for politicians to promote wonder cures during desperate times to put this pandemic behind us but anything that is too good to be true is usually just that!

Hank77 said:

However, Dr.s can order both of the drugs directly from the Strategic National Stockpile for their hospitalized CoVID-19 cases because the FDA issued and Emergency Use Authorization on March 28.

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How much of this Lupus/malaria drug do you think we HAVE? it might last a few days if you’re going to be giving them to all 300,000+ patients we have TODAY.
None for prophylaxis.

Bobber said:

There was no solid evidence that man could land on the Moon until they did it either so what's your point?

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Please tell me that this is satire.
Please.

blackribbon said:

The drugs are being used daily...all the different combinations IN THE HOSPITAL settings. We don't know what could happen to someone on these untested regimes...it could cure the disease but you could die from an unidentified side affect or complication. Next year, you will likely be able to get a prescription for some treatment plan that you can take at home when the symptoms show up. We don't just hand out unknown drug treatment to anyone and say "good luck...I hope it works"...and we wouldn't know if they died from the treatment or because they drank a beer while taking the treatment and the two drugs interacted in a bad way.

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Yes, you capitalized exactly the right thing. IN THE HOSPITAL SETTING. No-one is calling for these drugs not to be used carefully by doctors in hospitals trying to treat the most sick and find out what works and what doesn’t. There’s a giant leap from that however to Trump announcing that people should just take it because ‘what do you have to lose?’.

James4Christ 777 said:

Trump carried the majority of States, maybe Democrats need to venture out into so called "flyover country".

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I've been there, not much of interest honestly. Trump received 3 millionish less votes than hillary. He shouldn't in office and we would have several thousand more americans alive if he wasn't.

Bobber said:

There was no solid evidence that man could land on the Moon until they did it either so what's your point?

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My point is that if this were the 1960s, I'd want a whole lot more than Donald's say-so that we're ready to blast off.

But THERE IS evidence that doctors....PROFESSIONALS in the field AGREE with Trump so why don't you at least acknowledge that?

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I did -- I also acknowledged the PROFESSIONALS who say it's too soon to call it.

You are ideologically forbidden to do so, but I'm not.

James4Christ 777 said:

Trump carried the majority of States, maybe Democrats need to venture out into so called "flyover country".

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Figures that a real estate baron would win due to real estate, not people.

Pommer said:

How much of this Lupus/malaria drug do you think we HAVE? it might last a few days if you’re going to be giving them to all 300,000+ patients we have TODAY.
None for prophylaxis.

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Are there 300,000 + hospitalized patients in the US? The last I knew many areas aren't even releasing the infor. from their area's hospitals so we don't really know.

Hank77 said:

Are there 300,000 + hospitalized patients in the US? The last I knew many areas aren't even releasing the infor. from their area's hospitals so we don't really know.

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There are 304,824 cases (CDC's numbers 4/5/20) that have tested positive. Most don't even need any meds to get better....just sleep and hydration. They are definitely not hospitalized patients

Hank77 said:

Are there 300,000 + hospitalized patients in the US? The last I knew many areas aren't even releasing the infor. from their area's hospitals so we don't really know.

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Whilst the data isn't particluarly uptodate, CDC has now released a hospitalisation and mortality tracker.
Provisional Death Counts for Coronavirus Disease (COVID-19)
COVID-19 Hospitalizations

As of Mar 28 there were 4.6 hospitalisations per 100 000, although (and it's a pretty nice viz), for over 65 it's 13.8.

Assuming 330M USAians, that's a total hospitalization of 15180, for week ending 28th.