Why do Many Christians Ignore YHWH's Moedim?

HARK! · Apr 4, 2020

Randy777 said:
Jesus is our Passover lamb and why would we recognize a day of atonement in light of Christ's atonement? The curtain was torn in two at Jesus's last breath. We have access into the presence of God by the blood of Christ.

I think the worshipers God seeks are those who worship in spirit and in truth.

The truth is that Paul continued to observe the same Moedim that Yahushua observed as an example to us, long after Yahshua had ascended.

Why would Paul recognize them?

Why would Paul say this?:

(CLV) 1Co 11:1
Become imitators of me, according as I also am of Christ.

HARK! · Apr 4, 2020

chilehed said:
I do, and I believe every word of it. I don't necessarily believe what you say.

PASSOVER
“And this day shall be unto youfor a memorial; and ye shall keep it a feast to the LORD (YHWH) throughout your generations; ye shall keep it a feast by an ordinance FOREVER.” (Exodus 12:14)

UNLEAVENED BREAD
“And ye shall observe the feast of unleavened bread; for in this selfsame day have I brought your armies out of the land of Egypt: therefore shall ye observe this day in your generations by an ordinance FOREVER.” (Exodus 12:17)

SHAVUOT (Feast of Weeks)
“And ye shall proclaim on the selfsame day, that it may be an holy convocation unto you: ye shall do no servile work therein: it shall be a statute FOREVER in all your dwellings throughout your generations.” (Leviticus 23:21)

YOM KIPPUR
Ye shall do no manner of work: it shall be a statute FOREVER throughout your generations in all your dwellings.

FEAST OF TABERNACLES (Booths / Sukkot)
And ye shall keep it a feast unto YHWH seven days in the year. It shall be a statute FOREVER in your generations: ye shall celebrate it in the seventh month.(Leviticus 23:41)

(CLV) Ec 1:9
What occurred once, it shall occur again, And what was done, it shall be done again. There is nothing at all new under the sun.

(CLV) 1Jn 5:3
For this is the love of God, that we may be keeping His precepts. And His precepts are not heavy,

(CLV) Dt 30:10
when you hearken to the voice of Yahweh your Elohim to observe His instructions and His statutes, the ones written in this scroll of the law, once you return to Yahweh your Elohim with all your heart and with all your soul.

(CLV) Dt 30:11
For this instruction that I am enjoining on you today, it is neither too difficult for you, nor is it too far off.

(CLV) Dt 30:12
It is neither in the heavens for you to say: Who shall ascend to the heavens for us and take it for us and announce it to us that we may do it?

(CLV) Dt 30:13
Nor is it across the sea for you to say: Who shall cross across the sea for us and take it for us and announce it to us that we may do it?

(CLV) Dt 30:14
For the word is exceedingly near to you, in your mouth and in your heart, to do it.

(CLV) Dt 30:15
See! I have set before you today life and good, death and evil.

(CLV) Dt 30:16
If you should hearken to the instructions of Yahweh your Elohim that I am enjoining on you today, to love Yahweh your Elohim, to walk in His ways and to observe His instructions, His statutes and His ordinances, then you will live and multiply, and Yahweh your Elohim will bless you in the land where you are entering to tenant it.

HARK! · Apr 4, 2020

SkyWriting said:
The Old Testament is obsolete.

King James Bible
But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.

NKJV
Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will by no means pass away.

King James Bible
For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.

HARK! · Apr 4, 2020

SkyWriting said:
Paul never studied under Jesus.

How is that relevant?

HARK! · Apr 4, 2020

Hammster said:
Or do you not know, brethren (for I am speaking to those who know the law), that the law has jurisdiction over a person as long as he lives? For the married woman is bound by law to her husband while he is living; but if her husband dies, she is released from the law concerning the husband. So then, if while her husband is living she is joined to another man, she shall be called an adulteress; but if her husband dies, she is free from the law, so that she is not an adulteress though she is joined to another man. Therefore, my brethren, you also were made to die to the Law through the body of Christ, so that you might be joined to another, to Him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit for God.
— Romans 7:1-4

No more duty to the law if you are in Christ.

Which law? he's taking about the law concerning Marriage. They had a marriage covenant with YHWH. The broke it. When the Hebrews would make a covenant; they would take an animal; and chop it into pieces. Then the two parties would walk between the pieces. The agreement was that if one party broke the covenant; the other party cold do to the violator, what was done to the animal. After Israel broke the covenant; YHWH, in his mercy, gave them a way. If they were to die to themselves; they could be reborn. They couldn't remarry the same man, after playing the harlot; but they could marry Yahshua, and still be in the family of Israel through him. That does not mean that YHWH said that Israel can play the harlot with his son.

chilehed · Apr 4, 2020

HARK! said:
PASSOVER
“And this day shall be unto youfor a memorial; and ye shall keep it a feast to the LORD (YHWH) throughout your generations; ye shall keep it a feast by an ordinance FOREVER.” (Exodus 12:14)

UNLEAVENED BREAD
“And ye shall observe the feast of unleavened bread; for in this selfsame day have I brought your armies out of the land of Egypt: therefore shall ye observe this day in your generations by an ordinance FOREVER.” (Exodus 12:17)

SHAVUOT (Feast of Weeks)
“And ye shall proclaim on the selfsame day, that it may be an holy convocation unto you: ye shall do no servile work therein: it shall be a statute FOREVER in all your dwellings throughout your generations.” (Leviticus 23:21)

YOM KIPPUR
Ye shall do no manner of work: it shall be a statute FOREVER throughout your generations in all your dwellings.

FEAST OF TABERNACLES (Booths / Sukkot)
And ye shall keep it a feast unto YHWH seven days in the year. It shall be a statute FOREVER in your generations: ye shall celebrate it in the seventh month.(Leviticus 23:41)

(CLV) Ec 1:9
What occurred once, it shall occur again, And what was done, it shall be done again. There is nothing at all new under the sun.

(CLV) 1Jn 5:3
For this is the love of God, that we may be keeping His precepts. And His precepts are not heavy,

(CLV) Dt 30:10
when you hearken to the voice of Yahweh your Elohim to observe His instructions and His statutes, the ones written in this scroll of the law, once you return to Yahweh your Elohim with all your heart and with all your soul.

(CLV) Dt 30:11
For this instruction that I am enjoining on you today, it is neither too difficult for you, nor is it too far off.

(CLV) Dt 30:12
It is neither in the heavens for you to say: Who shall ascend to the heavens for us and take it for us and announce it to us that we may do it?

(CLV) Dt 30:13
Nor is it across the sea for you to say: Who shall cross across the sea for us and take it for us and announce it to us that we may do it?

(CLV) Dt 30:14
For the word is exceedingly near to you, in your mouth and in your heart, to do it.

(CLV) Dt 30:15
See! I have set before you today life and good, death and evil.

(CLV) Dt 30:16
If you should hearken to the instructions of Yahweh your Elohim that I am enjoining on you today, to love Yahweh your Elohim, to walk in His ways and to observe His instructions, His statutes and His ordinances, then you will live and multiply, and Yahweh your Elohim will bless you in the land where you are entering to tenant it.

AMEN!!

None of that disproves the conclusion that I agree with, nor does it prove the conclusion that you agree with.

Again, I agree with everything that is written in Sacred Scripture. What you say Sacred Scripture means is not Sacred Scripture, and you don't have any authority to bind other people to your odd personal opinion.

HARK! · Apr 4, 2020

Hammster said:
Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day⁠— things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ.
— Colossians 2:16-17

As you keep the new moon, festival or sabbath. Paul was speaking to those coming out of Paganism, who were being judged by their Pagan associates. Paul did not come to abolish the law.

(CLV) Ac 24:14
"Yet I am avowing this to you, that, according to the way which they are terming a sect, thus am I offering divine service to the hereditary God, believing all that is written, according to the law and in the prophets,

(CLV) 1Co 11:1
Become imitators of me, according as I also am of Christ.

(CLV) Ro 3:31
Are we, then, nullifying law through faith? May it not be coming to that! Nay, we are sustaining law.

klutedavid · Apr 4, 2020

HARK! said:
Exodus 12

. 37 The sons of Israel journeyed from Rameses toward Succoth, about six hundred thousand men on foot, those of mastery, besides the little ones. 38 Moreover a mixed multitude ascended with them, and flocks, herds and cattle, exceedingly heavy. 39 They baked the dough which they brought forth from Egypt, unleavened ember cakes, for it was not leavened, for they were driven out of Egypt and they could not dally, and, moreover, they did not make provision for themselves.

These gentiles entered covenant with Israel at Sinai. At that point they became Israel. If you were reading the story of Exodus on every Passover, as YHWH commands Israel; you would know this.

(CLV) Hb 8:10
"For this is the covenant which I shall be covenanting with the house of Israel after those days," the Lord is saying: "Imparting My laws to their comprehension, On their hearts, also, shall I be inscribing them, And I shall be to them for a God, And they/ shall be to Me for a people.

(CLV) Mt 15:24
Now He, answering, said, "I was not commissioned except for the lost sheep of the house of Israel."

Of course any Gentile travelling with the nation of Israel, would be included. That is what the scripture declares.

Though I think the Gentile living in Israel is still excluded from the temple.
Bloodline only in the temple.

HARK! · Apr 4, 2020

SeventyOne said:
They are ignored because people think their purpose is for Jews only.

(CLV) Lv 23:1
Yahweh spoke to Moses, saying:

(CLV) Lv 23:2
Speak to the sons of Israel, and you will say to them, The appointed seasons of Yahweh, those which you shall proclaim holy meetings, My appointed seasons, they are these:

(CLV) Hb 8:10
"For this is the covenant which I shall be covenanting with the house of Israel after those days," the Lord is saying: "Imparting My laws to their comprehension, On their hearts, also, shall I be inscribing them, And I shall be to them for a God, And they/ shall be to Me for a people.

(CLV) Mt 15:24
Now He, answering, said, "I was not commissioned except for the lost sheep of the house of Israel."

HARK! · Apr 4, 2020

SkyWriting said:
Assumptions are not fair game.

Then why would you assume that YHWH's Moedim don't stand, in direct opposition to him stating that they stand forever?

HARK! · Apr 4, 2020

Der Alter said:
I could not find "Moedim" in the OT I did find מועדיו. Which one of YHWH's moedim are not fulfilled in יהושׁע/ישׁוע?

Has all been fulfilled? Will there not be a second coming?

HARK! · Apr 4, 2020

SkyWriting said:
#1 Many Christians have no clue what you are saying.

I'm sorry to hear that. Perhaps this thread will be educational, as well a fun.

Hammster · Apr 4, 2020

HARK! said:
Pretty much? It either does, or it doesn't.

His whole ministry was about obedience to YHWH. What part are you focused on? Where does Hebrews specifically tell us to ignore YHWH?

So we are to ignore all the types and shadows of what is to come?

No, we just need to realize that we don’t need the types and shadows when we have Him who they point to. Christ has finished His work, He sat at the right hand of the Father, and we are there with Him.

Hammster · Apr 4, 2020

HARK! said:
Which law? he's taking about the law concerning Marriage. They had a marriage covenant with YHWH. The broke it. When the Hebrews would make a covenant; they would take an animal; and chop it into pieces. Then the two parties would walk between the pieces. The agreement was that if one party broke the covenant; the other party cold do to the violator, what was done to the animal. After Israel broke the covenant; YHWH, in his mercy, gave them a way. If they were to die to themselves; they could be reborn. They couldn't remarry the same man, after playing the harlot; but they could marry Yahshua, and still be in the family of Israel through him. That does not mean that YHWH said that Israel can play the harlot with his son.

You really messed that up. You might want to go back and study and see how it ties in with the previous three chapters. Then you won’t make these glaring errors.

HARK! · Apr 4, 2020

SkyWriting said:
#1 Many Christians have no clue what you are saying.

I'm sorry to hear that. Perhaps this thread will be educational, as well a fun.

Hammster · Apr 4, 2020

HARK! said:
As you keep the new moon, festival or sabbath. Paul was speaking to those coming out of Paganism, who were being judged by their Pagan associates. Paul did not come to abolish the law.

(CLV) Ac 24:14
"Yet I am avowing this to you, that, according to the way which they are terming a sect, thus am I offering divine service to the hereditary God, believing all that is written, according to the law and in the prophets,

(CLV) 1Co 11:1
Become imitators of me, according as I also am of Christ.

(CLV) Ro 3:31
Are we, then, nullifying law through faith? May it not be coming to that! Nay, we are sustaining law.

Your cutting and pasting of verses together as if they are connected is poor hermeneutics.

HARK! · Apr 4, 2020

ViaCrucis said:
The point of this thread is to shame Christians for not pretending to be Jews

You are not YHWH. You don't have absolute knowledge. Don't pretend that you know my intentions. You don't know me; and you don't know my intentions, unless I tell them to you.

My are intentions are to bring his truth, to those who seek his truth.

Reading YHWH's word should not bring you shame.

New King James Version
For the Scripture says, “Whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame.”

Der Alte · Apr 4, 2020

HARK! said:
Has all been fulfilled? Will there not be a second coming?

My question was which, if any, of the Moedim were not fulfilled in Yeshua/Yehoshua? I can't find "the second coming" among the commanded Moedim.

SwordmanJr · Apr 4, 2020

Dkh587 said:
Where does that command anybody to *stop* keeping God’s holy days?

the Colossian assembly was keeping them, and so were the Corinthian believers, hence Paul teaching them to “keep the feast” 1 Corinthians 5:8

nowhere did anybody teach Christians to stop celebrating them.

If one dare read the CONTEXT of 1 Cor. 5:8, and take into consideration the SPIRITUAL language Paul used in relation to a feast, reading it literally is nothing more than a legalistic bent screw-twisted down into the text, thus slaughtering the meaning.

The CONTEXT of that entire section is about DISCIPLINE within the CHURCH, and the feast rather than with the OLD LEAVENED BREAD is replaced with the bread of SINCERITY and TRUTH. Those are not physical things observed under the Law. What better way to deal with the fornication and other sins within that church?

[1Co 5:7-8 KJV] 7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us: 8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened [bread] of sincerity and truth.

A feast recognizing the sacrifice of Christ Jesus as our Passover, it was/is fulfilled in Him. So, you folks who want to practice it with the old bread, go for it. I have no problem with that. We Gentiles observe His sacrifice with sincerity and with TRUTH. Jesus said "As often as you do this, do it remembrance of Me." That sacrifice is the cleansing of all our sin, His flesh and His blood of which we remember.

Jr

HARK! · Apr 4, 2020

ViaCrucis said:
"Be not deceived with strange doctrines, nor with old fables, which are unprofitable. For if we still live according to the Jewish law, we acknowledge that we have not received grace. For the divinest prophets lived according to Christ Jesus. On this account also they were persecuted, being inspired by His grace to fully convince the unbelieving that there is one God, who has manifested Himself by Jesus Christ His Son, who is His eternal Word, not proceeding forth from silence, and who in all things pleased Him that sent Him.

If, therefore, those who were brought up in the ancient order of things have come to the possession of a new hope, no longer observing the Sabbath, but living in the observance of the Lord's Day, on which also our life has sprung up again by Him and by His death — whom some deny, by which mystery we have obtained faith, and therefore endure, that we may be found the disciples of Jesus Christ, our only Master — how shall we be able to live apart from Him, whose disciples the prophets themselves in the Spirit did wait for Him as their Teacher? And therefore He whom they rightly waited for, having come, raised them from the dead.

Let us not, therefore, be insensible to His kindness. For were He to reward us according to our works, we should cease to be. Therefore, having become His disciples, let us learn to live according to the principles of Christianity. For whosoever is called by any other name besides this, is not of God. Lay aside, therefore, the evil, the old, the sour leaven, and be changed into the new leaven, which is Jesus Christ. Be salted in Him, lest any one among you should be corrupted, since by your savour you shall be convicted. It is absurd to profess Christ Jesus, and to Judaize. For Christianity did not embrace Judaism, but Judaism Christianity, that so every tongue which believes might be gathered together to God." - St. Ignatius to the Magnesians, ch. 8-10

In the 5th century, Socrates Scholasticus Church History book 5 states the fact that until Constantine imposed Dies Solis (Sungod Day) on humanity, most assemblies and believers across the world at that time still kept The Sabbath even as late as 5 centuries later after Yahshua! He clearly knew that this “Sunday” worship was based in Rome on “the account of some ancient tradition”!

"Nor is there less variation in regard to religious assemblies. For although almost all churches throughout the world celebrate the sacred mysteries on the Sabbath of every week, yet the Christians of Alexandria and at Rome, on account of some ancient tradition, have ceased to do this."

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