Are those who deny eternal punishment doomed to Hell?

FineLinen · Apr 4, 2020

Contenders Edge said:
I don't recall posting anything like that. Which post?

Dear young lad:

Welcome to your statement....

"I fear that they may be taking a gamble with their own souls."

1. Read this one single link on which we are now found.

2. Focus.

3. Think, then post.

"It is in Him, and through the shedding of His blood, that we have our deliverance--the forgiveness of our offences--so abundant was God's grace, the grace which He, the possessor of all wisdom and understanding, lavished upon us, when He made known to us the secret of His will. And this is in harmony with God's merciful purpose for the government of the world when the times are ripe for it--the purpose which He has cherished in His own mind of restoring the whole creation to find its one Head in Christ; yes, things in Heaven and things on earth, to find their one Head in Him."

Whole = Everything = ta pante!

nolidad · Apr 4, 2020

FineLinen said:
You are correct, Noli!

I refuse to accept that!

Correct! I refuse to accept two distinctly different words are the same in meaning or outcome!

Our God is the ONLY One who is eternal, that word in koine is aidios. He alone is aidios.

Again, the apostle St. John defines aionios so clearly for us in 9 brief words. "This IS zoe aionios that we might know You."

Again: the foundation of the adjective aionios is firmly rooted in aion. There are many, many aions, none of which are aidios, NOT!

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αιωνιος = aiōnios

αιδιος = aidios

Still waiting for you to show why we should accept that aidios and aionios are not synonymous like thousands of greek scholars all say they are YOu have not defended your position at all!

Jude 1:6 And the angels who did not stay within their own domain but abandoned their proper dwelling--these He has kept in eternal chains under darkness, bound for judgment on that great day.

32 English translations from greek scholars say you are wrong!

And aidios is only used twice.

Romans 1: 20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse.

Jude 1: 6 And angels who did not keep their own domain, but abandoned their proper abode, He has kept in eternal bonds under darkness for the judgment of the great day,

Strong's Number: 126 Browse Lexicon
Original Word Word Origin
aidioß from (104)
Transliterated Word TDNT Entry
Aidios 1:168,25
Phonetic Spelling Parts of Speech
ah-id'-ee-os Adjective
Definition

eternal, everlasting

Strong's Number: 166 Browse Lexicon
Original Word Word Origin
aionioß from (165)
Transliterated Word TDNT Entry
Aionios 1:208,31
Phonetic Spelling Parts of Speech
ahee-o'-nee-os Adjective
Definition

without beginning and end, that which always has been and always will be
without beginning
without end, never to cease, everlasting

So why are you telling the truth and these people are lying when they show they are synonymous!

FineLinen said:
Please talk to Noli, Dr. Martin. He is under the delusion that aion is eternal.

http://www.askelm.com/doctrine/d050101.htm 6

Part 1

http://www.askelm.com/doctrine/d041101.htm 1

Part 2

http://www.askelm.com/doctrine/d041201.htm 1

Lying about what I write is very un-Christian of you!

I have showed you that you are in error about aionios!

Why shoud we believe you over legions of Greek scholars???????????

FineLinen · Apr 4, 2020

nolidad said:
Lying about what I write is very un-Christian of you!

I have showed you that you are in error about aionios!

Why shoud we believe you over legions of Greek scholars???????????

Noli: Do NOT believe the dork F.L.! You "shoud" NOT believe anything she says.

Just bring on the "legions" or "thousands" of Greek scholars & show her how wrong she is.

αιωνιος = aiōnios

αιδιος = aidios

nolidad · Apr 4, 2020

Contenders Edge said:
True, but that good news has been and must always be accompanied by that dire warning of everlasting punishment that awaits those who reject the good news. The good news saves, but only they who receive it are saved by it.

I can only answer to what I was privileged to see.

Over 45 years of walking with the Lord , I have been privileged to have the Lord use me to bring over a 1,000 people to Himself. Most did not need to be warned of the terrible consequences of rejecting HIm, some did!

Jude 22-23 King James Version (KJV)
22 And of some have compassion, making a difference:

23 And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.

Different strokes for different folks!

nolidad · Apr 4, 2020

FineLinen said:
Noli: Do NOT believe the dork F.L.! You "shoud" NOT believe anything she says.

Just bring on the "legions" or "thousands" of Greek scholars & show her how wrong she is.

αιωνιος = aiōnios

αιδιος = aidios

How about you just rebutting the greek lexicon I used in my last post that showed you wrong!

Do not use self deprecation to hide from answering a question posed to you!

Still waiting for you to show why you are better at understanding that aidios and aionios are not synonymous above greek scholars from all aions of the church age!

FineLinen · Apr 4, 2020

nolidad said:
How about you just rebutting the greek lexicon I used in my last post that showed you wrong!

Noli: The "legions" and "thousands" of koine scholors (as wonderful as Strong's numbering system is) is NOT the "legions" & "thousands" we are waiting for! Bring them on at your earliest convenience.

αιωνιος = aiōnios

αιδιος = aidios

Der Alte · Apr 4, 2020

FineLinen said:
Noli: Do NOT believe the dork F.L.! You "shoud" NOT believe anything she says.
Just bring on the "legions" or "thousands" of Greek scholars & show her how wrong she is.
αιωνιος = aiōnios
αιδιος = aidios

Don't have to I can prove from scripture alone that "aionios" means "eternal." No lexicons, no scholars, no experts, no concordances scripture alone. I have posted this several times but none of the wannabe Bible scholars has tried to rebut it.
In twenty four [24] of the following verses αἰών/aion and αἰώνιος/aionios are defined/described as eternal, everlasting, eternity etc, by comparison or contrast with other adjectives or adjectival phrases.
List of verses:1 Timothy 1:17, 2 Corinthians 4:17-18, 2 Corinthians 5:1, Hebrews 7:24, 1 Peter 1:23, 1 Timothy 6:16, Galatians 6:8, John 6:58, John 10:20, 1 John 2:17, 1 Peter 5:10, Romans 2:7, Luke 1:33,Revelation 14:11, John 10:28, John 3:15, John 3:16, John 5:24, John 8:51, Ephesians 3:21, Romans 1:20, Romans 5:21, Romans 16:26, John 3:36, John 4:14, John 6:27,
…..In the NT “aion/aionios” sometimes refer to things which are not eternal but neither word is ever defined/described, by other adjectives or adjectival phrases, as meaning a period of time less than eternal, as in the following verses.
…..In 9 of these verses Jesus has defined “aionios” as eternal. Jesus used the word “aionios” 28 times. He never uses it to refer to something which cannot be eternal.
In 10 verses Paul has defined “aionios” as eternal.

[1]Romans 1:20
(20) For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal [ἀΐ́διος/aidios] power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
[2]Romans 16:26
(26) But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting [αἰώνιος/aionios] God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:

In Rom 1:20 Paul refers to God’s power and Godhead as “aidios.” Scholars agree “aidios” unquestionably means eternal, everlasting, unending etc. In Rom 16:26, Paul, the same writer, in the same writing, refers to God as “aionios.” Paul has used “aidios” synonymous with “aionios.” In this verse by definition “aionios” means eternal, everlasting.

[3]Luke 1:33
(33) And he shall reign [βασιλευσει][Vb] over the house of Jacob for ever; [αιωνας/aionas] and of his kingdom [βασιλειας][Nn] there shall be no end.[τελος/τελος]

In this verse the reign βασιλευσει/basileusei, which is the verb form of the word, is "aionas" and of the kingdom βασιλειας/basileias, the noun form of the same word, "there shall be no end.” “Aionas” by definition here means eternal.

[4]2 Corinthians 4:17-18
(17) For our light affliction, which is but for a moment, worketh for us a far more exceeding and eternal [αἰώνιος/aionios] weight of glory;
(18) While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal;[πρόσκαιρος/proskairos] but the things which are not seen are eternal [αἰώνιος/aionios]

In this passage “aionios” is contrasted with “for a moment,” vs. 4, and “temporal,” vs. 5. “Age(s)” an indeterminate finite period, it is not the opposite of “for a moment”/”temporal/temporary” “eternal” is. “Aionios” by definition here means “eternal.”

[5]2 Corinthians 5:1
(1) For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal [αἰώνιος/aionios] in the heavens.

In this verse “aionios house” is contrasted with “earthly house which is destroyed.” Is God going to replace our destroyed earthly house with a house which only lasts a little longer and will be destroyed at the end of an age? The aionios house is not destroyed, the opposite of “is destroyed.” Thus, “aionios” by definition here means “eternal.”

[6]Hebrews 7:24 but because Jesus lives forever [αἰών/aion] he has an unchangeable [ἀπαράβατος/aparabatos] priesthood.

In this verse “aion” is paired with “unchangeable.” If “aion” means “age(s),” Jesus cannot continue “for a finite period” and be “unchangeable” at the same time. Thus “aion” by definition here means “eternal.”

[7]1 Peter 1:23
(23) For you have been born again, not of perishable seed, but of imperishable, [ ̓́αφθαρτος/aphthartos] through the living and enduring word of God. …
1 Peter 1:25
(25) but the word of the Lord endures forever.[αἰών/aion] " And this is the word that was preached to you.

In verse 23 “word of God” is paired with “imperishable.” The same writer, Peter, in the same writing 1 Peter in verse 25 writes the word of God “endures εις τον αιωνα unto eternity. ” Thus by definition “aion” here means “eternity.”

[8]1 Timothy 6:16
(16) Who only hath immortality, [ ̓́αφθαρτος/aphthartos] dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting [αἰώνιος/aionios]

In this verse “aionios” is paired with “immortality.” If “aionios” is only a finite period, God cannot be “immortal” and only exist for a finite period at the same time. Thus “aionios” by definition means “eternal.”

[9]Galatians 6:8
(8) For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; [φθορά/fthora] but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting. [αἰώνιος/aionios]

In this verse “aionios” is contrasted with “corruption.” “Fleshly” people reap “corruption” but spiritual people reap “life aionios,” i.e. “not corruption.” “Age(s), a finite period, is not opposite of “corruption.” Thus “aionios life” by definition here means “eternal/everlasting life.”

[10]John 6:58
(58) This is the bread that came down from heaven. Your ancestors ate manna and died, but whoever feeds on this bread will live forever.[αἰώνιος/aionios]

In this verse Jesus contrasts “aionios life” with “death.” If “live aionios” is only a finite period, a finite period is not opposite “death.” Thus “aionios” by definition here means “eternal.”

[11]John 10:28
(28) I give them eternal [αἰώνιος/aionios] life, and they shall never [αἰών/aion] perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand.

In this verse Jesus pairs “aionios” and “aion” with “[not] snatch them out of my hand.” If “aion/aionios” means “age(s), a finite period,” that is not the opposite of “[not] snatch them out of my hand’” “Aionios life” by definition here means “eternal life.”

[12]1 John 2:17
(17) The world and its desires pass away, but whoever does the will of God lives forever. [αἰών/aion]

In this verse “aionios” is contrasted with “pass away,” “lives aionios” cannot mean a finite period, which is is not opposite of “pass away.” Thus “lives aionios” by definition here means “lives eternally.”

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Der Alte · Apr 4, 2020

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[13]1 Peter 5:10
(10) And the God of all grace, who called you to his eternal [αιωνιον/aionion] glory in Christ, after you have suffered a little while, [ολιγον/oligon] will himself restore you and make you strong, firm and steadfast.

In this verse “aionios” is contrasted with “little while” Does Jesus give His followers a finite period of glory then they eventually die? Thus “aionios” here, by definition, means “eternal.”

[14]Romans 2:7
(7) To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, [ἀφθαρσία/apftharsia] he will give eternal [αἰώνιος/aionios] life.

In this verse “aionios” is paired with “immortality.” If “aionios” is only a finite period, believers cannot seek for “a finite period,” and “immortality” at the same time. But they can seek for “eternal life” and “immortality” at the same time. Thus by definition “aionios life” here means eternal life.”

[15]1 Timothy 1:17.
(17) Now unto the King eternal, [αἰών/aion] immortal, [ ̓́αφθαρτος/aphthartos] invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever [αἰών/aion] and ever [αἰώνιος/aionios]. Amen.

In this verse “aion” is paired with “immortal.” “Aion” cannot mean “age(s),” a finite period and immortal at the same time. Thus “aion” by definition here means “eternal.”

[16]Revelation 14:11
(11) And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever:[εις αιωνας αιωνων/eis aionas aionon] and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

In this verse “aionas aionon torment” is paired with “no rest day or night.” If “aionas, aionon” means “a finite period” at some time they would rest, “Aionas, aionon” by definition here means “forever and forever.”

[17] John 3:15
(15) That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal [αιωνιον] life.
In this verse Jesus pairs “aionion” with “shall not perish.” Believers could perish in a finite period, “aionion life” by definition here means eternal life.
[18] John 3:16
(16) For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting [αιωνιον] life.

In this verse Jesus pairs “aionion” with “should not perish.” Believers could eventually perish in a finite period, thus by definition “aionion life” here means eternal or everlasting life.

[19]John 5:24
(24) Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting [αἰώνιος] life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

In this verse Jesus pairs “aionios” with “shall not come into condemnation” and “passed from death unto life.” “Aionios” does not mean “a finite period,” by definition here it means “eternal,” unless Jesus lets His followers come into condemnation and pass into death.

[20]Romans 5:21
(21) That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal [αἰώνιος] life by Jesus Christ our Lord.

In this verse “aionios life” is contrasted with death. “A finite period life” is not opposite death, “eternal life” is. “Aionios life” by definition here means ‘eternal life.”

[21]Ephesians 3:21
(21) to him be glory in the church and in Christ Jesus throughout all generations, for ever [του αιωνος/tou aionios] and ever! [των αιωνων/ton aionion] Amen.

In this verse “tou aionios ton aionion” is paired with “throughout all generations.” "Age(s)" a finite period cannot refer to "all generations." By definition “tou aionios ton aionion” means forever and ever.

[22] John 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting [αἰώνιος/aionios] life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

In this verse aionios life is contrasted with “shall not see life.” If aionios means an indefinite age that is not opposite “shall not see life” By definition aionios means eternal.

[23] John 4:14 But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting [αἰώνιος/aionios] life.

In this verse aionios is contrasted with “shall never thirst.” If aionios means an indefinite age that is not opposite “shall never thirst.” By definition aionios means eternal.

[24]John 6:27
(27) Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting [αἰώνιος/aionios] life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed.

In this verse “aionios meat” is contrasted with “meat that perishes” .” If aionios means an indefinite age that is not opposite “meat that perishes.” By definition aionios means eternal.

[25]John 8:51
(51) Very truly [αμην αμην/amen amen] I tell you, whoever obeys my word will never [ου μη εις τον αιωνα/ou mé eis ton aiona] see death."

According to noted Greek scholar Marvin Vincent "The double negative “ ου μη/ou mé” signifies in nowise, by no means." Unless Jesus is saying whoever obeys Him will die, i.e. see death, unto the age, by definition aion means eternity.

Saint Steven · Apr 4, 2020

Contenders Edge said:
You can't expect the Heavenly Father to admit His enemies into His Kingdom. Otherwise, that would turn Heaven into the Hell that the saints have been promised deliverance from. Anyone who remains in unbelief and refuses to turn away from their sins, submit themselves to Christ and accept His offer of redemption, for which He died and rose from the dead, has made themselves to be an enemy to their Maker.

Our God shows His love and kindness to both the believer and unbeliever alike, but there comes a time when He can no longer cast pearls before the swine.

We are required to love our enemies, but God isn't?
You seem to be claiming that God is a tyrant. Jesus died for us while we were STILL sinners. Jesus is a friend of sinners. Do you think he could teach Father a thing or two about love? (gasp)

Saint Steven · Apr 4, 2020

Contenders Edge said:
Der Alter has already taken care of this one for me, so you can refer to his post: Post 634.

The invisible man.

Saint Steven · Apr 4, 2020

Contenders Edge said:
What is not right is your faulty understanding of God and His attributes which also include foreknowledge and it is by foreknowledge that He has been prepared for all that was to come and still is to come which also includes taking measures that He has no pleasure in taking.

Seems to give you some pleasure. What does that say about you? Correct me if I am wrong about that.

Saint Steven said: ↑
No other choice, you say?
Our all-powerful, all-knowing and all-loving God left wringing his hands at the mercy of his own poorly-conceived plan? "Oh no, I didn't see this coming, Now what?"
That can't be right.

Saint Steven · Apr 4, 2020

@Contenders Edge @FineLinen @the invisible man
If we don't forgive others God can't forgive us. (the unpardonable sin?)
Stands to reason that if God can't forgive others he won't forgive himself.
Besides, God is sinless, he has to forgive everyone. (that was easy)

Now watch, the Bible thumpers will obsess over the unpardonable sin. - lol

Der Alte · Apr 4, 2020

Saint Steven said:
We are required to love our enemies, but God isn't?
You seem to be claiming that God is a tyrant. Jesus died for us while we were STILL sinners. Jesus is a friend of sinners. Do you think he could teach Father a thing or two about love? (gasp)

This is the "Bleeding heart" argument. We are required to love our enemies therefore God must love His enemies ergo no eternal punishment because the UR-ites would never do anything like that.
Was God loving His enemies when He destroyed millions by flood and fire; old, young, men, women, children, infants in the below verses? Was God loving His enemies when He commanded Israel to invade the Canaanite cities and destroy every living thing; men, women, old, young, children, infants.. in the below verses?
Genesis 19:24-25, Genesis 7:23, Numbers 21:3, Deuteronomy 20:16-17, Deuteronomy 7:2, Deuteronomy 32:25, Jeremiah 13:14

Genesis 19:24-25 Then the LORD rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the LORD out of heaven;
25 And he overthrew those cities, and all the plain, and all the inhabitants of the cities, and that which grew upon the ground.
Genesis 7:23 And every living substance was destroyed which was upon the face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and the creeping things, and the fowl of the heaven; and they were destroyed from the earth: and Noah only remained alive, and they that were with him in the ark.
Numbers 21:3 And the LORD hearkened to the voice of Israel, and delivered up the Canaanites; and they utterly destroyed them and their cities: and he called the name of the place Hormah.
Deuteronomy 20:16-17 But of the cities of these people, which the LORD thy God doth give thee for an inheritance, thou shalt save alive nothing that breatheth.
17 But thou shalt utterly destroy them; namely, the Hittites, and the Amorites, the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites; as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee:
Deuteronomy 7:2 And when the LORD thy God shall deliver them before thee; thou shalt smite them, and utterly destroy them; thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor shew mercy unto them:
Deuteronomy 32:25 The sword without, and terror within, shall destroy both the young man and the virgin, the suckling also with the man of gray hairs.
Jeremiah 13:14 And I will dash them one against another, even the fathers and the sons together, saith the LORD: I will not pity, nor spare, nor have mercy, but destroy them.

FineLinen · Apr 4, 2020

Saint Steven said:
@Contenders Edge @FineLinen @the invisible man
If we don't forgive others God can't forgive us. (the unpardonable sin?)
Stands to reason that if God can't forgive others he won't forgive himself.
Besides, God is sinless, he has to forgive everyone. (that was easy)

Now watch, the Bible thumpers will obsess over the unpardonable sin. - lol

Dear Saint: It is wonderful the easy parts that exist in the One who dwells in mystery and whose ways are past finding out.

He is the standard by whom, and in whom, our lives are coming into at-one-ment.

He is the Abba of perfect equations & standards of forgiveness for His enemies & ours.

70 X 7 = 490

After the forgiveness credits run out @ 491

Too bad, so sad (lol)

Der Alte · Apr 4, 2020

FineLinen said:
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FineLinen said:
Dear Saint: It is wonderful the easy parts that exist in the One who dwells in mystery and whose ways are past finding out.
He is the standard by whom, and in whom, our lives are coming into at-one-ment.
He is the Abba of perfect equations & standards of forgiveness for His enemies & ours.
70 X 7 = 490
After the forgiveness credits run out @ 491
Too bad, so sad (lol)

Two UT-ites having a group hug. No information of any probative value.

FineLinen · Apr 5, 2020

The Father of all fathers has one intention for our brokenness, at-one-ment. He will fully bring to pass that intention in complete satisfaction to His will & purpose!

Saint Steven · Apr 5, 2020

FineLinen said:
The Father of all fathers has one intention for our brokenness, at-one-ment. He will fully bring to pass that intention in complete satisfaction to His will & purpose!

Here's a good one. (scripture below)
Judgment teaches righteousness. (corrective, not punitive)

Isaiah 26:9
My soul yearns for you in the night;
in the morning my spirit longs for you.
When your judgments come upon the earth,
the people of the world learn righteousness.

Shrewd Manager · Apr 5, 2020

Der Alter said:
And your point is?

Simply that Jesus is HE SAVES, HIS SALVATION and/or HE IS SALVATION. I know you're fond of the logic that an affirmation implies the negation of its opposite, so in this case if Salvation is the outcome (the affirmation), then damnation (its opposite) is negated.

Der Alter said:
What I asked for was one verse, 2 or more would be better, where God, Himself, or Jesus, Himself, not the words of an OT prophet, or a NT disciples which states unequivocally that they will save all mankind including the unrepentant after death.

Jesus says 'When I am lifted up, I shall draw all men to me.' Did that include ppl who were not yet born, such as you and I? If so, could it include ppl who had already died, such as Adam and Eve? Otherwise, is Adam eternally damned?

Der Alter said:
First do you understand this statement? "If the plain sense makes good sense it is nonsense to seek any other sense." I have posted this multiple times do you understand it? If not I can say it in simpler terms.
As for the sword I posted a verse which clarifies that. Hebrews 4:12

Yes, so the word of God is likened to a sword, and therefore supporting the interpretation the plain sense that the 'sword from the mouth' in Rev 19:21 is also the gospel truth. Agreed?

If not, then what?

Der Alte · Apr 5, 2020

Shrewd Manager said:
Simply that Jesus is HE SAVES, HIS SALVATION and/or HE IS SALVATION. I know you're fond of the logic that an affirmation implies the negation of its opposite, so in this case if Salvation is the outcome (the affirmation), then damnation (its opposite) is negated.

Only for those who accept and those God has not given over. Read Romans 1:24, Romans 1:26, Romans 1:28

Jesus says 'When I am lifted up, I shall draw all men to me.' Did that include ppl who were not yet born, such as you and I? If so, could it include ppl who had already died, such as Adam and Eve? Otherwise, is Adam eternally damned?

Romans 4:15, Romans 5:13.

Yes, so the word of God is likened to a sword, and therefore supporting the interpretation the plain sense that the 'sword from the mouth' in Rev 19:21 is also the gospel truth. Agreed?
If not, then what?

The word of God has the effect of a sword.

Contenders Edge · Apr 5, 2020

FineLinen said:
Dear young lad:

Welcome to your statement....

"I fear that they may be taking a gamble with their own souls."

1. Read this one single link on which we are now found.

2. Focus.

3. Think, then post.

"It is in Him, and through the shedding of His blood, that we have our deliverance--the forgiveness of our offences--so abundant was God's grace, the grace which He, the possessor of all wisdom and understanding, lavished upon us, when He made known to us the secret of His will. And this is in harmony with God's merciful purpose for the government of the world when the times are ripe for it--the purpose which He has cherished in His own mind of restoring the whole creation to find its one Head in Christ; yes, things in Heaven and things on earth, to find their one Head in Him."

Whole = Everything = ta pante!

I was talking about people taking a gamble with their souls, not God.

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You can call me Steve

Through him, in all things, more than conquerors.

This is me about 1 yr. old.

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