What to do about people who don't listen about Social Distancing

Introverted1293 · Apr 4, 2020

Bobber said:
OK.....here's a couple of other thoughts I haven't seen mentioned. Observe as well that some grocery stores work harder to protect their clients more than others. A couple grocery stores in my region have a limit how many are allowed in the store at any one time. Not because the stores would be packed (in the early days of this that might have been the case but not so much now) but they have a line up outside to keep the numbers in the store fairly low for distancing. Also some stores have cleaning crews sterilizing things as much as possible more than others.

I've heard some say they're going to remember what stores took greater measures to protect their customers and when this is all over those stores will get their future business too. They said some stores are caring more for the well being of their customers as compared to others. One last thought. If you want everything going for you that you possible can pick your time going to the store maybe an hour right before closing time. I could cut back your chances of being with larger numbers of people.

Thank you very much. I like that idea.

Introverted1293 · Apr 4, 2020

lsume said:
As I believe, no true Christian wants to judge. That is the divine providence of God The Father Almighty. Provided all Christians follow that specific practice, it should alleviate any urges you might otherwise suddenly feel compelled to act on. I very recently stood in line with the over 65 crowd beginning at 7:00 am. I showed up at 7:01 am and had to stand for about 45 minutes before being permitted to enter the grocery. Something nice that you might consider doing is when you have put in the time waiting in line, call a friend and offer to purchase something they may need thus saving your neighbor time. The ladies in line with me were somewhat irritating but that is probably more about me and my shortcomings than they. Have you ever found out the size of the virus. I wonder if many of the dust masks being worn for protection are fine enough to trap the virus.

Umm

I don't really know my neighbors. I live in a small town, which hasn't really been all that friendly to me. But that is okay. I am not complaining. I have always been introverted. So, I am enjoying the isolation.

JacksBratt · Apr 4, 2020

ZNP said:
The first inoculations were simply weakened forms of the virus. Obviously that is still more dangerous than a real inoculation, but we shouldn't let the best be the enemy of better.

For example, I am over 60 and was teaching in a public school in Brooklyn, with over 2,000 students who all use the subway and bus system, and teachers who live in New Rochelle and Nassau county, the two epicenters of the initial infection in NY. I knew I would be exposed, so I took steps to minimize the exposure. Washing hands multiple times in the day. Drinking plenty of fluid, going to the gym for as long as I felt well, treating the first hint of the flu very seriously, and using a sauna daily. I did get sick but it was a mild case. I believe the steps I took helped my body fight off the virus, especially in the early days from first exposure to the point I was clearly sick.

Obviously if an inoculation were available that would be the better option, but since it wasn't available there are still things you can do to minimize the amount of the virus that you get exposed to while maximizing your bodies ability to fight it off.

It has been 24 days since I first got sick. So I am now "innoculated" better than I would have been had I gotten a shot.

I agree, what you did probably helped you a lot and now your body has fought it off your good to go.

I live in a rural area. but I work in a workplace where people come from a city and their spouses work in a city. Some in Toronto. I work with 400 others but have contact with only about 20. However, we all get gas for our cars, groceries and other things.. we use the same doors, washrooms, stair hand rails and other items...

I find it hard to believe that we have not come in contact with it.

We will never know how many people caught it and had no symptoms unless they test every single person.

ZNP · Apr 5, 2020

What we know about the 'viral load' of COVID-19

Something that most people do not discuss -- viral lode. Imagine we have 3 people all equally healthy. All three are infected with a deadly virus. One is infected by a single virus, a second is infected by 1,000 virus, and a third is infected by 1,000,000. This will make a big difference in how sick each one gets.

One key point of social distancing is not just to avoid infection, but to minimize the viral lode with which you are infected. Getting infected by a single virus is not that different from the theory behind getting inoculated. The idea of an inoculation is to give your body enough exposure to develop immunity without getting sick. Generally we prefer an inoculation that involves pieces of the virus which are not efficacious, so there is no possibility of getting sick. But since that is not available right now practicing social distancing and best practices which would minimize the viral lode with which you are exposed to the disease would be an ideal way to develop immunity without getting sick, or at the least without getting very sick.

NothingIsImpossible · Apr 5, 2020

When I have to go out I really hate doing so. Even though our state is being very strict about all this stuff. Most people are now saying 6 feet apart because places have put tape down on the ground to show where to stand. But sometimes they ignore it and stand right behind me. I'm to nice and don't want to say anything. It's my flaw.

It's why I hope someone will say something to them. But I feel like most people don't want to get involved. It does annoy me but not much I can do. Unless I work on my ability to speak up.

WDSobieski · Apr 6, 2020

Before talking about those idiots we should better ensure we're doing out part responsibly, or we sound like horrible hypocrites. Today I saw the police patrolling inside the park asking picnicing people to leave while most of the people around are either exercising solo or only in pairs. Never do I go out in a group of more than two or talk to people too closely since everyone's afraid of getting infected right now.

mkgal1 · Dec 21, 2020

alan650 said:
I think it applies here if those who are choosing to not social distance themselves are doing so because they are reading fake news. It's a dangerous thing to have so many not take this seriously. We'll end up quarantined until November!

You were right. It's now December and we're still quarantined (and people are still refusing to care about others because of the influence of fake news).

JohnDB · Dec 21, 2020

I have found that consuming large quantities of gas forming foods (beans and cabbages) before going out is usually a good deterrent.
Anyone gets too close and I let one rip.

That and the sign hanging around my neck that says "Caution Leper Colonist" also is of some benefit.

aiki · Dec 21, 2020

Introverted1293 said:
I live in a city that does not deliver groceries. We can pick them up at Walmart with our Walmart app. But because so many people use the app during this time, sometimes they can't accommodate us. So, I have to go to the store. But so many people in the store ignore social distancing. One man got irritated at me because I was keeping my distance from the lady checking out her groceries. He asked if I could move up so he could put his basket on the belt. I did move up, but I stepped out of line so I wouldn't be close to the woman checking out. But he decided to squeeze by me getting really close to me to get something. I left very angry with him. People in my city are not taking this seriously.

Why should they? The Wuhan virus is not serious - or, at least, not nearly as serious as the mainstream media would like you to believe it is. The recovery rate from the virus is between 97-99% depending upon your age and general condition. Nearly forty percent of people get infected and have no idea that they've even had the virus! Most times, a person dies from the virus because of various co-morbidities (cancer, diabetes, kidney issues, obesity, etc.), not from the virus itself.

So, why are you so wound up about the virus? And why should everyone else go about as wound up about it as you? Take a deep breath and relax.

P.S. - If you want to help boost your resistance to the virus, take vitamin D, C and zinc. Especially, take vitamin D.

Introverted1293 · Dec 22, 2020

aiki said:
Why should they? The Wuhan virus is not serious - or, at least, not nearly as serious as the mainstream media would like you to believe it is. The recovery rate from the virus is between 97-99% depending upon your age and general condition. Nearly forty percent of people get infected and have no idea that they've even had the virus! Most times, a person dies from the virus because of various co-morbidities (cancer, diabetes, kidney issues, obesity, etc.), not from the virus itself.

So, why are you so wound up about the virus? And why should everyone else go about as wound up about it as you? Take a deep breath and relax.

P.S. - If you want to help boost your resistance to the virus, take vitamin D, C and zinc. Especially, take vitamin D.

I wrote this a while ago LOL

But I have come to the conclusion that you are partly right. I don't believe that I have the right to tell people what to do. I still wish that they would keep social distancing. But I don't think they should have to walk on eggshells around me just because I am afraid. I have already decided that when people get really close to me at the store or whatever that I was going to cover my face and eyes.

If people don't want to take it serious, who am I to tell them that they have to? I will do my best to continuously practice social distancing; but I can't make other people do the same thing. I accept that.

I know that in the store, it is sometimes impossible to practice social distancing. But I have a face mask, which is filtered; and a face shield which I took inside my hoodie. And I wear safety glasses. But I will still continuously practice social distancing even with my protective gear on.

People have told me that those things won't protect me, but I have heard different sides of the stories. I have heard stories where face masks have protect people, but I have also heard stories where face masks did not protect other people. So, I don't know. But during the pandemic, I will keep my distance as much as it is possible.

I know that most people who get the disease survive, but that does not mean that I will survive if I get it. I would hear stories of healthy people who got the disease and died.

The point is I will continue to treat this as seriously as I can. But I won't tell other people what to do.

Tropical Wilds · Dec 22, 2020

aiki said:
Why should they? The Wuhan virus is not serious - or, at least, not nearly as serious as the mainstream media would like you to believe it is. The recovery rate from the virus is between 97-99% depending upon your age and general condition. Nearly forty percent of people get infected and have no idea that they've even had the virus! Most times, a person dies from the virus because of various co-morbidities (cancer, diabetes, kidney issues, obesity, etc.), not from the virus itself.

So a 1-3% fatality rate on a communicable virus is shockingly huge. You can chalk it up to “well they had comorbidities” and while it is true to an extent that certain brackets are higher risk, it is certainly not the whole picture (especially now) with community transmission being what it is. Not to mention that their comorbidities don’t now suddenly make their deaths more acceptable or less tragic or needless. What you’re saying is the same as saying “I think my odds are fine and I don’t care in the slightest about your odds.”

So, why are you so wound up about the virus? And why should everyone else go about as wound up about it as you? Take a deep breath and relax.

Actually, if more people were asking that question back in April, we wouldn’t be where we are the following December.

P.S. - If you want to help boost your resistance to the virus, take vitamin D, C and zinc. Especially, take vitamin D.

That isn’t how that works, but ok.

aiki · Dec 22, 2020

Introverted1293 said:
The point is I will continue to treat this as seriously as I can. But I won't tell other people what to do.

Well, I wouldn't urge you to be careless around those who are clearly vulnerable to the virus (elderly people, obese folks, someone on oxygen, etc.), but at the same time there is no reason for you to take the virus "seriously." It isn't that bad. Really. The statistics concerning the virus bear this out really clearly. The mainstream media, though, have something else going on, some reason to keep the population fearful and under the government's thumb, that isn't yet totally clear. And so, the mainstream media play up the virus, focusing exclusively on the deaths the virus has caused, never telling you of the tens of millions of people who have been infected and have recovered, and of the millions of people who were infected and never even knew it. The mainstream media also are careful to obscure the fact that co-morbidities are almost always an important factor in the death of an infected person (obesity, cancer, diabetes, etc.) and that many of the deaths assigned to the virus were actually caused by other things.

Why, then, are you fearful? And why does the mainstream media (NBC, CNN, MSNBC, FOX, CBS) and the Democratic party the mainstream media works for want to keep you isolated and afraid? This latter question should concern you far more than the virus is.

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aiki · Dec 22, 2020

Tropical Wilds said:
So a 1-3% fatality rate on a communicable virus is shockingly huge. You can chalk it up to “well they had comorbidities” and while it is true to an extent that certain brackets are higher risk, it is certainly not the whole picture (especially now) with community transmission being what it is.

Actually, co-morbidities have an enormous impact on the outcome of an infection with the Wuhan virus. You may play co-morbidities down if you like, but the data is showing that age is a factor in fatality because age almost always includes the development of various diseases that make an individual susceptible to the virus.

Tropical Wilds said:
What you’re saying is the same as saying “I think my odds are fine and I don’t care in the slightest about your odds.”

No, what I'm saying is that the virus is not the new Black Death, like the media so desperately wants you to believe it is. I wear a mask in public, I don't crowd people when I'm at the grocery store; but I don't go about being afraid of the virus, nor do I encourage others to be afraid of it.

Tropical Wilds said:
That isn’t how that works, but ok.

It seems you don't know as much as you think you do. Research is showing that the virus mimics very closely in its effects on the human body what happens when a person is vitamin D deficient. As a result, it is very important for people to keep their vitamin D levels up during the epidemic in order to fend off the virus.

JohnDB · Dec 22, 2020

But then...
There is that annoying truth that "long Covid" is debilitating a minimum of 10% but can be as high as 70+% of those who get it.

Those symptoms last at least 3 months or more...

AND WAIT THERE'S MORE

Then there's those who got sick in the spring and are sick again...those rates of "long haulers" is even higher. Incidence of hospitalization is even higher from a second time with Covid-19.

Each time a few brain/nervous system functions are lost...but who needs those right?

I get it that word problems in math are difficult.

So here it is again:

If you get Covid-19 and the symptoms last a year. And you get re-infected every 4-6 months. How long does it take before you suffer enough organ damage before you die?

Tropical Wilds · Dec 23, 2020

aiki said:
Actually, co-morbidities have an enormous impact on the outcome of an infection with the Wuhan virus. You may play co-morbidities down if you like, but the data is showing that age is a factor in fatality because age almost always includes the development of various diseases that make an individual susceptible to the virus.

Again, I didn’t say it didn’t had an impact, I said it doesn’t paint the whole picture... And it implies you think one group is more expendable than another. Since people without co-morbidities are at a lower risk, the fact that they are the primary transmitters to the groups that are the highest risk doesn’t seem to matter. You’re simply saying you see your odds as being fine and really don’t care about anybody else’s odds.

No, what I'm saying is that the virus is not the new Black Death, like the media so desperately wants you to believe it is. I wear a mask in public, I don't crowd people when I'm at the grocery store; but I don't go about being afraid of the virus, nor do I encourage others to be afraid of it.

There’s a huge breadth between “be afraid of the virus” and “it’s no big deal.”

A virus with a 1-3% mortality rate and high community transmission is worth sitting up and taking notice. Hospitals across the country are reaching capacity, this is officially the deadliest year in US history, the number of deaths lowered the rate for average life expectancy by almost a full year (the largest drop in a single year), even our infant mortality rate increased. Clearly, this is something people should take up notice and be proactive, attentive, and informed as to how they can do their part to help shorten this pandemic and prevent as much loss as possible.

It seems you don't know as much as you think you do. Research is showing that the virus mimics very closely in its effects on the human body what happens when a person is vitamin D deficient. As a result, it is very important for people to keep their vitamin D levels up during the epidemic in order to fend off the virus.

Maybe it’s because I don’t use YouTube as a news source or a source of medical advice, instead relying on doctors and research and my own treatment plan for the best information. Given that you don’t even know or use the correct name of the virus, I don’t really view your “advice” or information to be the most reliable.

JohnDB · Dec 23, 2020

Tropical Wilds said:
Again, I didn’t say it didn’t had an impact, I said it doesn’t paint the whole picture... And it implies you think one group is more expendable than another. Since people without co-morbidities are at a lower risk, the fact that they are the primary transmitters to the groups that are the highest risk doesn’t seem to matter. You’re simply saying you see your odds as being fine and really don’t care about anybody else’s odds.

There’s a huge breadth between “be afraid of the virus” and “it’s no big deal.”

A virus with a 1-3% mortality rate and high community transmission is worth sitting up and taking notice. Hospitals across the country are reaching capacity, this is officially the deadliest year in US history, the number of deaths lowered the rate for average life expectancy by almost a full year (the largest drop in a single year), even our infant mortality rate increased. Clearly, this is something people should take up notice and be proactive, attentive, and informed as to how they can do their part to help shorten this pandemic and prevent as much loss as possible.

Maybe it’s because I don’t use YouTube as a news source or a source of medical advice, instead relying on doctors and research and my own treatment plan for the best information. Given that you don’t even know or use the correct name of the virus, I don’t really view your “advice” or information to be the most reliable.

The last global pandemic was Influenza...and with it's constant modifications it's difficult to make effective Vaccines...but at least we have effective antivirals for it.

This one is disconcerting because it's definitely going to require Vaccines to stay healthy.

What's the next pandemic going to bring?
So far it hasn't been as bad as it could be...it could be worse.
This one without Vaccines could be a planet killer. Reinfection every 6 months until people are dead. No one seems to keep natural immunity to this virus.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(20)30764-7/fulltext
The second infection was symptomatically more severe than the first.

The above section of the findings is especially troublesome.
I'm a bit concerned about what the next one will bring. Especially when there's significant portions of society that seem intent on doing harm to themselves and others through horrible medical advice.

Rene Loup · Dec 25, 2020

Lead by example.[1] Times like these really separate the sheep from the goats.[2]

I don't know about your region, but where I live, there are some heavy monetary fines for disobeying COVID-19 restrictions. If caught, then suffer the consequences.[3]

If grown men and women are willingly disobeying measures created to keep others safe, just for the sake of the, "The government can't tell me what to do!" attitude, then that is the kind of disrespect for authority and sheer sense of entitlement you'd expect from an irresponsible teenager.[4] Very high on my list of adulthood pleasures is that people like those are now held accountable for their actions.[3]

Deuteronomy 5:1-22, Exodus 20:1-17, Galatians 5:13-26, Luke 10:25-37, Mark 12:28-34, Matthew 22:34-40, Romans 13:8-10
Matthew 25:31-46
1 Peter 2:11-25, Romans 13:1-7
1 Corinthians 13:1-13

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