What are some reasons to support Trump?

MorkandMindy said:

I'm not partisan, I wanted Andrew Yang for President, then I was left in a quandary because neither President Trump nor J Biden was what I wanted, but Biden is clearly senile.

In the end it is going to come down to which is better, Biden's VP or Donald T, but partly with reference to the achievements listed in the OP I'm not worried I might have no one to vote for.

I'd like to be able to choose between two viable alternatives so I hope Biden gets a good VP, but if he doesn't I'll be fairly happy with Donald.

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Either way it depends on the personal choices of the 538 people who are actually allowed to vote, and how many vote for Faith Spotted Eagle or Colin Powell or Donald Duck.

Big Boo said:

Sounds like you would rather smear Donald Trump’s imperfections of character instead of debate the facts.

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Big Boo said:

This thread isn’t about Donald Trump’s past adulteries or failed marriages. The subject we’re talking about is: why support Trump and his achievements. If you want to make a new thread talking about Trump’s character flaws, then please do so. But please keep unrelated posts off this topic.

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So, answer the questions about his ‘achievements’...

You do realise that all of those economic markers you were touting are currently back at the level they showed when Obama left office...?

Nice job Trumpy.........

Kentonio said:

Trump has only ever cared about Trump. If he cared so much about Americans in general, then why would he have scammed them with Trump University etc?

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... and why is he so hesitant to use his power to help provide ventilators for Americans ???

Big Boo said:

- Real GDP growth under President Trump has beaten the Congressional Budget Office’s (CBO) projections every year and exceeded the rate of the Obama Administration’s expansion.

- Nearly 7 million jobs have been created nationwide since President Trump’s election, including more than 500,000 manufacturing jobs.

- Unemployment rates for African Americans, Hispanic Americans, Asian Americans, Americans without a high school degree, and disabled Americans have logged record lows.

- Nearly 2.5 million Americans have been lifted out of poverty, including nearly 1.4 million children.

- The poverty rates for African Americans and Hispanic Americans hit new lows in 2018.

- Wages are rising faster for the bottom 10 percent of earners than for the top 10 percent of earners, and wage growth for employees has surpassed wage growth for managers.

- Since President Trump’s historic tax reform, the lowest earners have enjoyed faster wage gains than every other income group.

- The net wealth held by the bottom half of households has grown by 47 percent—more than three times the rate of increase for the top 1 percent of households.

- Real household wealth has increased by nearly $12 trillion since the start of 2017.

Source for these statistics: The Historic Results Of President Donald J. Trump’s Economic Agenda | The White House

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And all of this has been squandered due to his mismanagement of the coronavirus crisis ...

Allandavid said:

So, answer the questions about his ‘achievements’...

You do realise that all of those economic markers you were touting are currently back at the level they showed when Obama left office...?

Nice job Trumpy.........

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I'm sure all Presidents do what they think is best, I didn't think the tax cuts were going to work and still don't think so, but Presidents have a lot less control over the economy than people think, sure blowing a fortune like Bernie and Liz planned would do a huge amount of damage, but improving it is probably beyond anyone's control.

Despite doing all the right things since 1989 Japan is still having problems.

and this time the entire World is headed into a recession.

since this is a Christian forum I would measure the state of the union on a much different basis than economic numbers although economics is a scriptural basis for looking at how you are doing as far as the LORD sees it. Trump is pro life across the board. Trump is pro Biblical definition of marriage. These are two huge issues and he is pro Israel. That makes 3 big differences. The thing about economics is politicians manipulate statistics such as employment. Under Obama and continuing with Trump the methods of counting unemployed were changed. Many long term unemployed were dropped and those who lost professional well paying jobs who took 3 part time jobs to make less then they did with one good job are now counted as 3 jobs or employed 3 times. This skews the measure of who is working. Anyways the Bible in Lev in ch 26 adn Duet 28 have the laws of blessing and cursing of the nation Israel and national debt is part of the curse. The US debt doubles under Bush then doubled again under Obama and would have doubled under Trump before the virus. Now GDP will cave and debt will soar and this is a sign that the pride and arrogance of Trump and his few outright good decisions are not changing the fate of the nation. IMO we are heading for a total global financial collapse that will bring in Rev 6 conditions and a new global order.

Big Boo said:

- Real GDP growth under President Trump has beaten the Congressional Budget Office’s (CBO) projections every year and exceeded the rate of the Obama Administration’s expansion.

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The data doesn't seem to support this. It appears that in the best years of both Pres. Trump and Pres. Obama, the expansion was 2.9%. I suppose if you want to compare the average per year you can claim Trump wins, but it requires the negative growth rate of Obama's first year when he took office during a recession (which he turned around in his first year).

This claim by the White House appears to not be true and is, at best, misleading.

Big Boo said:

- Nearly 7 million jobs have been created nationwide since President Trump’s election, including more than 500,000 manufacturing jobs.

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Except that Obama created 1.5 million more jobs in his last three years in office than Trump did. Trump created 6.6 million new jobs in his first three years, Obama created 8.1 million new jobs in his last three years. That is also before we start counting the 700,000 jobs officially lost in March (with likely more to come).

Big Boo said:

- Unemployment rates for African Americans, Hispanic Americans, Asian Americans, Americans without a high school degree, and disabled Americans have logged record lows.

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Which Obama also did -- just that Trump built on Obama's recovery (at least until now).

Big Boo said:

- Nearly 2.5 million Americans have been lifted out of poverty, including nearly 1.4 million children.

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Again, it will be interesting to see what these number look like in the fall, closer to the election.

Big Boo said:

- The poverty rates for African Americans and Hispanic Americans hit new lows in 2018.

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Again, which they also did in 2016 -- this "fact" seems to be a repeat. And, again, these records were also set by Obama, just the trends continued under the first years of Trump's administration.

Big Boo said:

- Wages are rising faster for the bottom 10 percent of earners than for the top 10 percent of earners, and wage growth for employees has surpassed wage growth for managers.

- Since President Trump’s historic tax reform, the lowest earners have enjoyed faster wage gains than every other income group.

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This is tends to be a misleading stat -- largely because the top 10 percent of earners frequently do not get "wages." In terms of compensation -- if they work for a corporation -- they tend to get more in benefits, particularly stock options and bonuses. Beyond that, most of their income is from various forms of investments. This metric is largely meaningless. The next point is the one that is more meaningful (even if untrue):

Big Boo said:

- Since President Trump’s historic tax reform, the lowest earners have enjoyed faster wage gains than every other income group.

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The problem with this one, it was only true for a short period in 2018. Yes, in 2018 the gap between the top 10% and the rest of us fell for a few months. The issue is, since 2018 the top 10% has recovered what the lost and the gap is again the widest it has been in decades -- and growing for the rich.

Big Boo said:

- The net wealth held by the bottom half of households has grown by 47 percent—more than three times the rate of increase for the top 1 percent of households.

- Real household wealth has increased by nearly $12 trillion since the start of 2017.

Source for these statistics: The Historic Results Of President Donald J. Trump’s Economic Agenda | The White House

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These last two I suspect, again, are cherry picked from specific time periods (a month or two) in 2018 -- of course, there is no actual source for these numbers. Your source links to campaign propaganda on the White House website, with no source give for these statistics or any supporting numbers.

Of course, these also ignore that Trump has raised the deficit more in good economic conditions than any president ever -- far outstripping Obama since the recovery. This year, before the pandemic, Trump was set to come close to tripling the deficit (that would be 300%) of what the deficit was during Obama's last year in office. With the pandemic -- which is why you try to eliminate and pay back debt in strong economies -- we are looking likely at least a 4 trillion deficit -- and it could be 8 trillion (or even higher) depending on how long the country is shut down. Pres. Trump just signed a $2 trillion dollar stimulus package, and likely with the country shut down until May, Congress will likely pass another stimulus package later this month. And that doesn't include the lowered tax revenue.

And that is just the economy -- allegedly his strongest category. As of the end of last year he'd added roughly 93 miles of new wall, with 1,300 miles of border with no wall still (and no plan to get most of it built). He's not created any health plan, which was a major campaign promise -- merely tried to dismantle Obamacare. He's not tackled infrastructure at all -- he did have a meeting with Democrats once to talk about it, which ended quickly when he accused Pelosi of insulting him and walked out.

There is far, far more that could be talked about but, again, the main point of the OP (and the Trump administration in general) is how great he's been for the economy, which has now taken a massive turn for the worse. In fact, there are arguments that could be made that the Coronavirus is far worse than it could have been if Trump wasn't trying to keep the economy propped up, rather that to quickly start to limit spread of the virus (and do more than an ineffective travel ban, which didn't stop people who had been in Wuhan from coming to the US without any type of quarantine -- only the Chinese that had been there.

Brian Mcnamee said:

Trump is pro life across the board.

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But the bible commands the abortions of adulteresses (Numbers 5:20-28) and the execution of disobedient children.

Trump is pro Biblical definition of marriage.

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Is that why he bragged about sexually assaulting girls and why he commits adultery, given that Jesus condemned all remarried divorcees to hell unless they confess their adulterous marriages and remain celibate or cut off their members and throw them away (Matt 5:27-30 Mark 11:11-12).

Donald J. Trump is the kindest, warmest, bravest, most wonderful human being I've ever seen in my lifetime. He is America’s morning star. He is the light of freedom and the luminary of justice.

His burdens are great and his helpers few. Yet Mr. Trump fulfills his promises with the courage and honor not seen before in the history of the universe.
His humility is the greatest of all Presidents. The shadow he casts blots out the sidewalk cracks of a fallen world.
Make America Greater Again: Trump 2020, 2024, 2028...

And, he has great hair.

Brian Mcnamee said:

Trump is pro Biblical definition of marriage.

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lolol, you mean the Old Testament definition where one guy could have multiple wives, a harem of girlfriends, and still boink some hookers on the side?

Where do you people come up with this stuff?

ETA: Now that I think about it, Trump's preferred aesthetic of covering everything in gold leaf was considered "fancy" back in OT times, so this makes more sense than I'd realized.

Big Boo said:

- Real GDP growth under President Trump has beaten the Congressional Budget Office’s (CBO) projections every year and exceeded the rate of the Obama Administration’s expansion.

- Nearly 7 million jobs have been created nationwide since President Trump’s election, including more than 500,000 manufacturing jobs.

- Unemployment rates for African Americans, Hispanic Americans, Asian Americans, Americans without a high school degree, and disabled Americans have logged record lows.

- Nearly 2.5 million Americans have been lifted out of poverty, including nearly 1.4 million children.

- The poverty rates for African Americans and Hispanic Americans hit new lows in 2018.

- Wages are rising faster for the bottom 10 percent of earners than for the top 10 percent of earners, and wage growth for employees has surpassed wage growth for managers.

- Since President Trump’s historic tax reform, the lowest earners have enjoyed faster wage gains than every other income group.

- The net wealth held by the bottom half of households has grown by 47 percent—more than three times the rate of increase for the top 1 percent of households.

- Real household wealth has increased by nearly $12 trillion since the start of 2017.

Source for these statistics: The Historic Results Of President Donald J. Trump’s Economic Agenda | The White House

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And now all of that has been wiped out by the current crisis that Trump downplayed for far too long you want to display a segment of his presidency before reality hits ?

We judge people by how well they do their jobs in good times and especially bad ones.

Good times are behind for now and Trump did fine when economy was going up since Obama era.

That is gone. Now we judge how Trump does when things get tough and most of what we see is complaining, avoidance of responsibility and pettiness.

So about the same as before but with economy and stock market in meltdown.

The only things Trump had going for him. The only things he really felt he had to care about. Now suddenly realizing his real lack of influence on those things when crisis hit.

Big Boo said:

- Real GDP growth under President Trump has beaten the Congressional Budget Office’s (CBO) projections every year and exceeded the rate of the Obama Administration’s expansion.

- Nearly 7 million jobs have been created nationwide since President Trump’s election, including more than 500,000 manufacturing jobs.

- Unemployment rates for African Americans, Hispanic Americans, Asian Americans, Americans without a high school degree, and disabled Americans have logged record lows.

- Nearly 2.5 million Americans have been lifted out of poverty, including nearly 1.4 million children.

- The poverty rates for African Americans and Hispanic Americans hit new lows in 2018.

- Wages are rising faster for the bottom 10 percent of earners than for the top 10 percent of earners, and wage growth for employees has surpassed wage growth for managers.

- Since President Trump’s historic tax reform, the lowest earners have enjoyed faster wage gains than every other income group.

- The net wealth held by the bottom half of households has grown by 47 percent—more than three times the rate of increase for the top 1 percent of households.

- Real household wealth has increased by nearly $12 trillion since the start of 2017.

Source for these statistics: The Historic Results Of President Donald J. Trump’s Economic Agenda | The White House

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Post-covid it's not going to count for much. Trump needs to add "turned around covid in the month of April" to his list however given the exponential daily increase of new cases April is not going to be that month.

Big Boo said:

- Real GDP growth under President Trump has beaten the Congressional Budget Office’s (CBO) projections every year and exceeded the rate of the Obama Administration’s expansion.

- Nearly 7 million jobs have been created nationwide since President Trump’s election, including more than 500,000 manufacturing jobs.

- Unemployment rates for African Americans, Hispanic Americans, Asian Americans, Americans without a high school degree, and disabled Americans have logged record lows.

- Nearly 2.5 million Americans have been lifted out of poverty, including nearly 1.4 million children.

- The poverty rates for African Americans and Hispanic Americans hit new lows in 2018.

- Wages are rising faster for the bottom 10 percent of earners than for the top 10 percent of earners, and wage growth for employees has surpassed wage growth for managers.

- Since President Trump’s historic tax reform, the lowest earners have enjoyed faster wage gains than every other income group.

- The net wealth held by the bottom half of households has grown by 47 percent—more than three times the rate of increase for the top 1 percent of households.

- Real household wealth has increased by nearly $12 trillion since the start of 2017.

Source for these statistics: The Historic Results Of President Donald J. Trump’s Economic Agenda | The White House

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Unemployment numbers come out every Thursday. A week ago (3/26), we had over 3 million new claims - a new record that quadrupled the previous record set back in the 1980’s. This past week (4/2), we doubled that with over 6 million new claims. That’s 10 million people, or 3% of the entire country, out of work inside of two weeks, with a $2 trillion charge to the federal credit card.

Now may not be the best time to be touting Trump’s economic numbers.

iluvatar5150 said:

Now may not be the best time to be touting Trump’s economic numbers.

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The past glories are what his base has left so that is where they will reside and write about.

Jonathan Walkerin said:

The past glories are what his base has left so that is where they will reside and write about.

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Even when this document was written, it took a special sort of dogmatic tunnel vision to tout Trump's cherry-picked economic successes like that. But now? lol, man, I don't get it. It'd be like the mayor of Hiroshima deciding in September 1945 to give a speech bragging about his city's expanded manufacturing output over the previous year.

Brian Mcnamee said:

since this is a Christian forum I would measure the state of the union on a much different basis than economic numbers although economics is a scriptural basis for looking at how you are doing as far as the LORD sees it. Trump is pro life across the board. Trump is pro Biblical definition of marriage. These are two huge issues and he is pro Israel. That makes 3 big differences. The thing about economics is politicians manipulate statistics such as employment. Under Obama and continuing with Trump the methods of counting unemployed were changed. Many long term unemployed were dropped and those who lost professional well paying jobs who took 3 part time jobs to make less then they did with one good job are now counted as 3 jobs or employed 3 times. This skews the measure of who is working. Anyways the Bible in Lev in ch 26 adn Duet 28 have the laws of blessing and cursing of the nation Israel and national debt is part of the curse. The US debt doubles under Bush then doubled again under Obama and would have doubled under Trump before the virus. Now GDP will cave and debt will soar and this is a sign that the pride and arrogance of Trump and his few outright good decisions are not changing the fate of the nation. IMO we are heading for a total global financial collapse that will bring in Rev 6 conditions and a new global order.

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I have been woefully inadequate in failing to praise Mr. Trump for his vigorous and unwavering commitment throughout his life for the purity and sanctity of marriage. He has always promoted— with tremendous zeal — the definition of traditional marriage between one man and one woman, and another woman, and another woman.

No one in the entire history of marriage has been more adamant that pregnant women must be treated as the most noble of women. No man has ever been more devoted to the love and caring for women as Donald J. Trump.

I must go now, to spend time in meditation and appreciation for this heroic leader.

Kentonio said:

Trump has only ever cared about Trump. If he cared so much about Americans in general, then why would he have scammed them with Trump University etc?

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Well, that is no surprise; he WAS a DEMOCRAT when he did all that! He had been born again in TRUE REPUBLICAN form! All Praise Trump!

Big Boo said:

Donald Trump has kept his campaign promises. He is far from being a conman.

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Yes He Has! I was able to get prompt medical attention from the Glorious
“Better than Obamacare” Trump plan that took effect the day after Trump was elected when I fell and hurt my ankle taking a walk on the Wall that Mexico built. I was distracted by all the millions of names that the Trump Commission on Election Fraud was announcing on the radio. In my hospital suite, there was a framed Obama birth certificate that Trump’s team found in Hawaii. Trump was correct; I didn’t believe all the stuff they uncovered. The best part about my free stay, besides the golden toilet, was there were all the hamberders and covfefe a person could want.