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I'm preeeetty sure one of the primary activists who were trying to push the pro-LGBT+ view back in the 80's-90's explicitly said he wanted to do so in order to have sex with children--specifically, young boys.
a story without a source is nothing.
Back it up using sources or forget it.
The thing is, even if you found the source... you need to show that the LGBT+ community endorses this stance today.
Without proper documentation it's just one more story told to the detriment of LGBT.
 
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a story without a source is nothing.
Back it up using sources or forget it.
The thing is, even if you found the source... you need to show that the LGBT+ community endorses this stance today.
Without proper documentation it's just one more story told to the detriment of LGBT.

"...Obviously this doesn't represent the LGBT+ as a whole. I know many members of the group are disgusted by this, but there are scary amounts of members who advocate this crap in the name of being 'progressive' and 'anti-bigoted'. So yes, parents have every right to be worried about their children in this sphere."

I already said that I understand the view does not represent the group as a whole. My point was that as long as there are people who do go along with this kind of thing, parents have every right to be concerned. I also find it telling that you choose to only reply to this section of my reply, and not anything about injected children with hormones, letting a young 'drag queen' perform at a gay nightclub and deliberately raising your children 'genderless' to let them 'choose their gender'?

You don't need to be part of the alphabet soup committee to be gay, lesbians, bi, etc.

I'll have to find the name of the guy I was talking about since I don't remember what it was, but since you're in such disbelief over this, here's something to tide you over;

Gay Activists in Germany Silent on Alliance with Pedophiles in 1980s - DER SPIEGEL - International
 
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I listen to the Bible and I read your quote. God is no respecter of persons (Bible says this). Kicking the gay out and leaving remarried couples in place (those who did not divorce for adultery) is not fair.
Still not listening.

People reading to respond instead of hear is a huuuuge problem these days.

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I listen to the Bible and I read your quote. God is no respecter of persons (Bible says this). Kicking the gay out and leaving remarried couples in place (those who did not divorce for adultery) is not fair.

I'm fairly certain the reason being is because remarriage is a one-and-done deal. It might be sinful, but once you've done it--it's too late to turn back. Even if you've remarried, it'd likely be sin to divorce again(and deut. claims you should not return to your previous spouse either)so it is better to make the best of that marriage and pray to God for forgiveness and cleansing of the marriage.

Engaging in same-sex relationships is not one-and-done. Every time you decide to engage in any sexual act with your same-sex partner, it is sin. It's a continuous lifestyle of sin, which is why it is not tolerated; we are, after all, told that anyone who knowingly participates in sin and walks by the flesh is not one of us.
 
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Lybrah, the schools are teaching "I'm ok you're ok" because there are parents (including "Christian" ones) who teach their children to hate and make fun of gays, foreigners, disabled kids and different races. Newton's third law of physics says "every action has an equal and opposite reaction". This is what we are seeing in the school system and in the world. Have you noticed the TV commercials, movies, books, etc. that wait until the end and have something gay to shove in your face? It is called bullying. Straight people did it to gays for years. How do you teach parents to stop making fun of LBGTQ people? Indoctrinate their children.
 
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"So my question is: How can I get these people to turn to God and repent?" For me I would watch how I talk. How you said it made you mad.

So for me I would look how it makes me "feel". Feelings are up and down and all over the place. And we can react and SAY somethings that are nothing more then flesh. I have seen to many gay people come to Christ by nothing more then pure love. Remember where the FIGHT IS.

Just in the other post someone talked about how Jesus said to Peter get thee behind me Satan. Christ was not talking to Peter. That thought Peter had and then ran with.. was not Peters thought. Christ was talking to the one that gave Peter the thought.

So.. pray.. ask Christ to show you them through HIS eyes. No.. ask.. from your heart He will show you how HE sees them. :) We find we fight the wrong battle so nothing changes. And PRAYER! Wow that is the greatest key. To be all prayed up.. to then be out in the world.. the convicting they will get.. by us saying nothing. Its the sweet sweet Holy Spirit working! Seen it.. been there.

Bless you in JESUS name!
 
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backing up accusations using sources. Didn't I say?
so you say there are groups coming to school telling children being gay is good?
Do you know what would have happened to me if I heard this kind of message? Nothing in regard to my sexuality.

please coffee. This is what you wrote:



this is what you keep avoiding backing up using facts&figures.
I think you might have the idea that a straight child becomes gay just for hearing such a message? Then back it up. Using sources please. Please cite the numbers of the changes in sexuality due to lessons.

I also take issue with the way you talk about inappropriate contentography. There are couples watching it together.

You underestimate the need for children to belong, to find an affirming group, especially if the home environment is absent, critical or abusive. It isn't just promoting the gay lifestyle it's all about doing 'what feels good to you'.
These groups they have going at schools are welcoming and inclusive, they offer something many children have a hunger for, to belong and be accepted. Dabbling either in homosexual behaviour, heterosexual fornication, the occult and drugs can all be paths to hell. Teens use and experiment most often because they have low self-esteem and home is not a safe supportive place. Older children and young teens should be taught through God's word to be aware of all these sins that the devil will try and hook them with but if the home is not supportive and loving then those kids are at risk. Why do you think a lot of teenage girls sleep with their boyfriends? To feel loved and accepted because they are not getting it at home.

We are not called to sin but to be holy.
1 Peter 1:15-16
15 But just as he who called you is holy, so be holy in all you do; 16 for it is written: “Be holy, because I am holy.”


I told you there are links already on this thread.

inappropriate contentography is one of the most immoral things possible. Not only are those participating immoral it also objectifies people. Its sole purpose is to cause lust.
A married man should view other women as sisters.
1 Timothy 5
Treat younger men as brothers, 2 older women as mothers, and younger women as sisters, with absolute purity.

Watching others lustfully is adultery and its addictive. Sin most times is addictive which is why we are told to flee from it. The more you do it the more you want to do it. The spirit is willing but the flesh is weak.

Matthew 5:27-28
“You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’ But I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lustful intent has already committed adultery with her in his heart.
Since people watch it for sexual gratification this is the very definition of that.


1 Thessalonians 4:3-5
For this is the will of God, your sanctification: that you abstain from sexual immorality; that each one of you know how to control his own body in holiness and honour, not in the passion of lust like the Gentiles who do not know God;
You think watching inappropriate contentography is controlling your body in holiness and honour?
 
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I'm fairly certain the reason being is because remarriage is a one-and-done deal. It might be sinful, but once you've done it--it's too late to turn back.
no, it's the whole thing. When people find out that divorced people date others, noone says anything at church. (Divorced for reasons other than adultery).
And if remarriage is a one-and-done deal, as you say, then you could theoretically ban them from being members at church for instance.
Anyways, Esra 9 seems to suggest otherwise about remarriage as a one-and-done deal, I think.

Please don't get me wrong: I'm against bullying remarried couples out of the church. Friends of mine are remarried.
I'm saying if you want to apply conservative rules to the one group you need to be conservative with the other group, too. You can't cherish remarried couples and kick the lesbians out.
 
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Teens use and experiment most often because they have low self-esteem and home is not a safe supportive place.
yes I had problems with self-esteem. Yes I was unsure of myself aged 13. Didn't have a supportive place where to go.
If a teacher would have passed my school saying being gay is ok, I would NEVER have started experimenting sex with boys. That was totally out of question. I love women.
So if you say there are 13-year-olds who start experimenting same sex relationships just for having heard it is good: please back it up by using sources finally instead of mere conjecture.
Resorting to tales and fables about other minorities is a problem. If you say you present the facts... than bother to back it up, please. Using figures and citing sources, please.
I don't want to keep replying to walls of text without one single decent source being cited, please. It's nerve racking.
Saying that somebody provided a link for something on this forum (thread) already, doesn't mean that you don't have to ack your accusations up for what you're saying in particular.
You think watching inappropriate contentography is controlling your body in holiness and honour?
Why not. If you make sure you don't lust after the women and don't support abortion... why not?
inappropriate contentography can be a decent activity, in my opinion.
 
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no, it's the whole thing. When people find out that divorced people date others, noone says anything at church.
(Divorced for reasons other than adultery).

Unless the marriage vows were broken remarriage is not remarriage but adultery. The whole 'we grew apart' business, I don't think God views those people as divorced. This is just my view but I think 'unfaithfulness' encompasses more than just adultery. A man who uses his wife as a punching bag has to me also broken his marriage vows. I don't believe God calls women to literally stay and die at their husbands' hands.
Ephesians 5:28
In the same way husbands should love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself.

And if remarriage is a one-and-done deal, as you say, then you could theoretically ban them from being members at church for instance.

Baning from holding positions in the church is correct, banning from church is not.
That would be the same as banning gay people or those who covert or any other sin
1 Timothy 3:2
Therefore an overseer must be above reproach, the husband of one wife, sober-minded, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach,

Jesus came for sinners.
Luke 5:32
"I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance."

And we all sin
Romans 3:23
23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,

Please don't get me wrong: I'm against bullying remarried couples out of the church. Friends of mine are remarried.
I'm saying if you want to apply conservative rules to the one group you need to be conservative with the other group, too. You can't cherish remarried couples and kick the lesbians out.

I do try and apply the same rules. I might not always achieve that but I do try.
 
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If you make sure you don't lust after the women and don't support abortion... why not?
inappropriate contentography can be a decent activity, in my opinion.

You surely must be playing. It's addictive and immoral, it objectifies women and men and it's adultery and fornication. It is the very opposite of the purity God calls us to. Did you read any of those verses I posted before?
Hebrews 13:4
Marriage should be honored by all, and the marriage bed kept pure, for God will judge the adulterer and all the sexually immoral.


*sigh* a 30 second Google just for you. At last, a generation of schoolchildren will grow up knowing it’s OK to be LGBT | Paul Twocock
It's not something hard to find.

Transgender indoctrination at CofE primary school
 
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No, please provide sources claiming and giving evidence for one's sexuality being changed by mere lessons at school.
As I said, show me people who resort to same sex relationships just for having heard a message by someone. Please be specific and cite the numbers and the instances where this has been the case, using sources.

With regard to inappropriate contentography, I'm not playing.
Why should I.
To my knowledge, there are (female) film makers making feminist inappropriate content. In my opinion, they will be more than cautious not to present the women as objects.
 
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No, please provide sources claiming and giving evidence for one's sexuality being changed by mere lessons at school.
As I said, show me people who resort to same sex relationships just for having heard a message by someone. Please be specific and cite the numbers and the instances where this has been the case, using sources.

It's more than a lesson, it's groups and clubs. Young children do not have a sexuality, for them its all about exposure, bringing them up to think homosexuality and transgender is a good and positive thing. These groups offer support and kids who don't get this at home who are looking to belong gravitate towards them. It's normal for young teens to wonder about their sexuality, for most this is a passing thought, along with any longing to be the opposite gender. If I had a dollar for every little girl who wanted to be a boy I would be rich, I did myself, most of us did. Boys got away with stuff and stood to pee, we didn't actually want drugs or a gender change. This passes. For some young teens all it takes is dabbling with the opposite sex for this to take hold especially if the main group has ostracized them and this group accepts them. We are not talking about adults or even older teens with established sexuality and gender identity but kids who are still discovering themselves.

With regard to inappropriate contentography, I'm not playing.

Why should I.
To my knowledge, there are (female) film makers making feminist inappropriate content. In my opinion, they will be more than cautious not to present the women as objects.

If as a Christian you can't see how immoral and sinful that is than I am done here. God says treat women like sisters, you want to view your sister stripping? God says purity, you think getting off on some couple having fornication is purity? inappropriate contentography is absolute filth.

Romans 13:13-14
Let us walk properly as in the daytime, not in orgies and drunkenness, not in sexual immorality and sensuality, not in quarreling and jealousy. But put on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make no provision for the flesh, to gratify its desires.
 
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You are still not backing up your claim that a lesson taught by transgender people would corrupt the children. You did not provide a decent source telling the reader that a lesson as you describe it would have any effect on children's sexual behavior. If there is none, there is no harm being done, either.
All you post is presumption.
You seem to be assuming children have no sexual behavior to begin with?
Here is a decent source claiming other wise LINK

If as a Christian you can't see how immoral and sinful that is than I am done here. God says treat women like sisters, you want to view your sister stripping? God says purity, you think getting off on some couple having fornication is purity? inappropriate contentography is absolute filth.

Romans 13:13-14
Let us walk properly as in the daytime, not in orgies and drunkenness, not in sexual immorality and sensuality, not in quarreling and jealousy. But put on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make no provision for the flesh, to gratify its desires.
I only want my sister to strip, if she wants to do it herself.


A strip show can be arts and Romans would not apply.
If you are talking about couples having sex... then the problem of possible unwanted pregnancy which may lead to abortion is arising.
Let's assume for a while that this could be handled.
If the scene in the video is embedded in scenes of arts, the whole video is arts and Romans does not apply.
If no spectator casts any lustful views... then there is no adultery, either.
 
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