The Restitution Of All Things

FineLinen · Mar 31, 2020

The Divine Destiny

“The great enmity of mankind is but a background to magnify and display the far greater love of our God.

Such love is as measureless as it is timeless; a vast portion being yet unrevealed. ‘And having made peace through the blood of Christ’s cross, by Him to reconcile all unto Himself, whether those on the earth or those in the heavens.’

This plan of the ages is our Lord’s ultimate purpose according to the declared will of Almighty God. This is the divine destiny of all in His creation.

This is love that never fails.” – K. Ross McKay-

FineLinen · Apr 1, 2020

“The word aidios (not aionios) was in universal use among the non-Christian Greek Jews of our Savior's day, to convey the idea of eternal duration, and was used by them to teach endless punishment.

Jesus never allowed himself to use it in connection with punishment, nor did any of His disciples but one, and he but once, and then carefully and expressly limited its meaning. Can demonstration go further than this to show that Jesus carefully avoided the phraseology by which His contemporaries described the doctrine of endless punishment?

Jesus never adopted the language of His day on this subject.

Their language was aidios timoria, endless torment.

His language was aionion kolasin, age-lasting correction.

They described unending ruin, He, discipline, resulting in reformation.” - Dr. John W. Hanson-

FineLinen · Apr 1, 2020

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FineLinen · Apr 2, 2020

aionios =

agelong ?

Eternal ?

The context of the lake of fire is the new Jerusalem. This isn’t the earthly Jerusalem or Earthly Gehenna. It’s in a spiritual context therefore it is figurative. Just as life is eternal so is the punishment.

Robin Parry in the "Evangelical Universalist:

One could maintain that the devil will be punished forever, but that Lucifer will ultimately be saved. Paul is able to speak of how God saves humans through the putting to death of “the flesh” or the “old person”.

The human in rebellion against God is “killed” so that there is a new creation (2 Cor 5:17). According to the tradition, the devil is a fallen angel. The devil, like the “flesh”, must be destroyed forever, because creation has no place for him. But he dies, and Lucifer is reborn as a redeemed angel. It would still be possible to speak of the devil being tormented forever and ever to symbolize this defeat even though no actual being is still in the lake of fire. This goes beyond anything taught in Revelation, but it is one way of trying to reconcile what revelation teaches with what Colossians teaches and I tentatively commend it to the reader.

The Evangelical Universalist page 131

The view that gives God the most glory is the true interpretation.

We see this glory as Christ saves the outcasts in the Lake of Fire. The paradox of the glory of Christ is His beautiful outshining radiance of His high holiness. We also see His glory shine in His love and humble lowliness for the outcasts. Jesus has always had compassion for the outcasts. The first are last and the last are first. The outcasts of the new creation will experience shame outside the gates in the lake of fire. But Jesus was always for healing the shamed outcasts. I guess the main reason I’m a Christian Universalist is because it brings God the most glory.

According to Jonathan Edwards:

God is glorified not only by His glory’s being seen, but by its being rejoiced in

When those that see it delight in it, God is more glorified than if they only see it. Therefore, God is most glorified if everybody sees His glory and rejoices in it instead of being miserable in hell. The old sinful self (ego) is “tormented” forever in hell. The Devil is punished forever, not Lucifer. Therefore, the manifestation of God glory in His hatred of sin goes on forever.

It is a proper and excellent thing for infinite glory to shine forth; and for the same reason, it is proper that the shining forth of God’s glory should be complete; that is, all the parts of His glory should shine forth, that every beauty should be proportionably effulgent, that the beholder may have a proper notion of God. It is not proper that one glory should be exceedingly manifested, and another not at all…Thus it is necessary, that God’s aweful majesty, His authority and dreadful greatness, justice, and holiness, should be manifested. But this could not be, unless sin and punishment had been decreed; so that the shining forth of God’s glory would be very imperfect, both because these parts of divine glory would not shine forth as the others do, and also the glory of His goodness, love, and holiness would be faint without them; nay, they could scarcely shine forth at all. If it were not right that God should permit and punish sin, there could be no manifestation of God’s holiness in hatred of sin, or in showing any preference, in His providence, of godliness before it. There would be no manifestation of God’s grace or true goodness, if there was no sin to be pardoned, no misery to be saved from. How much happiness soever He bestowed, His goodness would not be so much prized and admired…So evil is necessary, in order to the highest happiness of the creature, and the completeness of that communication of God, for which He made the world; because the creature’s happiness consists in the knowledge of God, and the sense of His love. And if the knowledge of Him be imperfect, the happiness of the creature must be proportionably imperfect. ~~ Jonathan Edwards

Der Alte · Apr 2, 2020

FineLinen said:
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“The word aidios (not aionios) was in universal use among the non-Christian Greek Jews of our Savior's day, to convey the idea of eternal duration, and was used by them to teach endless punishment.
Jesus never allowed himself to use it in connection with punishment, nor did any of His disciples but one, and he but once, and then carefully and expressly limited its meaning. Can demonstration go further than this to show that Jesus carefully avoided the phraseology by which His contemporaries described the doctrine of endless punishment?
Jesus never adopted the language of His day on this subject.
Their language was aidios timoria, endless torment.
His language was aionion kolasin, age-lasting correction.
They described unending ruin, He, discipline, resulting in reformation.” - Dr. John W. Hanson-

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Just another supposed scholar with a PhD giving his unsupported opinion. Zero credible, verifiable, historical evidence.
When Abraham Lincoln was criticized for how he was conducting the civil war he said.

If I were to try to read or respond to every criticism this shop might as well be closed for any other business. I do the best I can, the best I know how and intend to continue until the end. If the end brings me out wrong ten angel saying I was right would make no difference.

So instead of quoting some supposed "scholar" I will quote Jesus on the word "aionios." Jesus used the word "aionios" 28 times. He never used it to refer to something that cannot be eternal. In these nine verses Jesus clearly defines "aionios" as "eternal." So who are you going to believe Jesus or some PhD?
Jesus defines αἰώνιος/aionios

John 6:58
(58) This is the bread that came down from heaven. Your ancestors ate manna and died, but whoever feeds on this bread will live forever.[αἰώνιος/aionios]

In this verse Jesus contrasts “aionios life” with “death.” If “live aionios” is only a finite period, a finite period is not opposite “death.” Thus “aionios” by definition here means “eternal.”

John 10:28
(28) I give them eternal [αἰώνιος/aionios] life, and they shall never [αἰών/aion] perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand.

In this verse Jesus pairs “aionios” and “aion” with “[not] snatch them out of my hand.” If “aion/aionios” means “age(s), a finite period,” that is not the opposite of “[not] snatch them out of my hand’” “Aionios life” by definition here means “eternal life.”

John 3:15
(15) That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal [αιωνιον] life.
In this verse Jesus pairs “aionion” with “shall not perish.” Believers could perish in a finite period, “aionion life” by definition here means eternal life.
John 3:16
(16) For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting [αιωνιον] life.

In this verse Jesus pairs “aionion” with “should not perish.” Believers could eventually perish in a finite period, thus by definition “aionion life” here means eternal or everlasting life.

John 5:24
(24) Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting [αἰώνιος] life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

In this verse Jesus pairs “aionios” with “shall not come into condemnation” and “passed from death unto life.” “Aionios” does not mean “a finite period,” by definition here it means “eternal,” unless Jesus lets His followers come into condemnation and pass into death.

John 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting [αἰώνιος/aionios] life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

In this verse aionios life is contrasted with “shall not see life.” If aionios means an indefinite age that is not opposite “shall not see life” By definition aionios means eternal.

John 4:14 But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting [αἰώνιος/aionios] life.

In this verse aionios is contrasted with “shall never thirst.” If aionios means an indefinite age that is not opposite “shall never thirst.” By definition aionios means eternal.

John 6:27
(27) Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting [αἰώνιος/aionios] life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed.

In this verse “aionios meat” is contrasted with “meat that perishes” .” If aionios means an indefinite age that is not opposite “meat that perishes.” By definition aionios means eternal.

John 8:51
(51) Very truly [αμην αμην/amen amen] I tell you, whoever obeys my word will never [ου μη εις τον αιωνα/ou mé eis ton aiona] see death."

According to noted Greek scholar Marvin Vincent "The double negative “ ου μη/ou mé” signifies in nowise, by no means." Unless Jesus is saying whoever obeys Him will die, i.e. see death, unto the age, by definition aion means eternity.

FineLinen · Apr 3, 2020

The Atonement

It is an Atonement made by Christ as the last ADAM. Not alone, then, does Christ sooner or later draw to Himself all men, but He cannot draw less than all men if He be a new and better ADAM.

Therefore, I repeat, the traditional creed, while in words teaching, in fact denies the Atonement of the Bible. It asserts an universal salvation - but it really means a salvation that does not save universally - one in which Christ tries to save all, and is defeated.

What is this but to dishonor the cross in its very essence: to deny that our Lord is truly the last ADAM, and to treat Him as one who, in the face of assembled creation, in the sight of men and angels,has challenged the powers of evil and has failed?

-Christ Triumphant-

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Der Alte · Apr 3, 2020

FineLinen said:
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FineLinen said:
The Atonement
It is an Atonement made by Christ as the last ADAM. Not alone, then, does Christ sooner or later draw to Himself all men, but He cannot draw less than all men if He be a new and better ADAM.
Therefore, I repeat, the traditional creed, while in words teaching, in fact denies the Atonement of the Bible. It asserts an universal salvation - but it really means a salvation that does not save universally - one in which Christ tries to save all, and is defeated.
What is this but to dishonor the cross in its very essence: to deny that our Lord is truly the last ADAM, and to treat Him as one who, in the face of assembled creation, in the sight of men and angels,has challenged the powers of evil and has failed?
-Christ Triumphant-

It would seem that some UR-ites are not capable of engaging in a reasonable, rational discussion and can only spam forums with copy/pastes from other UR-ites.

FineLinen · Apr 3, 2020

The great revelation of God's love, purpose & plan

“Some say that if it can be proved that the punishment of the wicked will have an end, the same argument will prove that the life of the righteous will also end. But this is too much to take for granted on such a premise. Aionios does not of itself indicate either the limited or unlimited duration of anything, but its duration in each case depends on the nature of that to which it is applied.

Colored glasses give color to whatever men look at, and it is difficult for many to divest themselves of the influence of former teaching so far as to be willing to look at a thing from the standpoint of another.

Some of us have done this however. Though trained in the old school of thought, we have been enabled, by a careful examination of the Scriptures, to throw off the old idea and to accept the larger and better hope. And we are assured that the plan of the ages with its progressive revelation, and the general scope and spirit of the gospel as a revelation of the infinite love and wisdom of God, are far stronger evidence of the final victory of Christ in saving all men, than the mere definition of any word could be.” -John H. Paton-

FineLinen · Apr 4, 2020

Who is Gerry Beauchemin?

https://www.hopebeyondhell.net/about-me/

FineLinen · Apr 4, 2020

There is a resurrection of judgment!

Judgment is part of our Father's plan in bringing home the broken children of Adam in His purposes of salvation.

His judgment is curative, linked with retribution. The treatment of the stubborn rascals who have not come to repentance in this short span of life, rest assured it shall transpire in the next phase.

"But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's"

"Then comes the end".

That end results in the subjection of every opposing force, by every opposing creature being brought into subjection to the Lord of Glory.

All rule>>> all authority> > > all power in subjection to Him!

Shrewd Manager · Apr 4, 2020

Der Alter said:
Just another supposed scholar with a PhD giving his unsupported opinion. Zero credible, verifiable, historical evidence.

You have a high view of certain types of biblical scholarship there der Alter.

Tell me, what do you make of this emphatic scripture?

At that time Jesus answered and said, “I thank You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that You have hidden these things from the wise and prudent and have revealed them to babes. (Matt 11:25)

Does it not bring greater glory to God if His enemies repent in sackcloth and ashes than are forced to their knees in resentment with gritted teeth?

Shrewd Manager · Apr 4, 2020

FineLinen said:
The Divine Destiny

“The great enmity of mankind is but a background to magnify and display the far greater love of our God.

Such love is as measureless as it is timeless; a vast portion being yet unrevealed. ‘And having made peace through the blood of Christ’s cross, by Him to reconcile all unto Himself, whether those on the earth or those in the heavens.’

This plan of the ages is our Lord’s ultimate purpose according to the declared will of Almighty God. This is the divine destiny of all in His creation.

This is love that never fails.” – K. Ross McKay-

Ok, but I disagree with the young interviewee's endorsement of Shakespeare's 'All the world's a stage.' That's of the devil, where everything's false.

God, however, keeps it real. There is nothing more real on earth than the work of the Cross. Jesus Christ is the way the truth and the life. With him there's no play-acting or shadow of turning.

Der Alte · Apr 4, 2020

Shrewd Manager said:
You have a high view of certain types of biblical scholarship there der Alter.
Tell me, what do you make of this emphatic scripture?
At that time Jesus answered and said, “I thank You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that You have hidden these things from the wise and prudent and have revealed them to babes. (Matt 11:25)
Does it not bring greater glory to God if His enemies repent in sackcloth and ashes than are forced to their knees in resentment with gritted teeth?

I respect credible scholarship. I have studied under some good scholars e.g. my first Greek prof Dr. Roger Omanson who was on the initial NIV committee.
For example, here is a word on the first page when I opened my Bauer, Danker, Arndt, Gingrich Greek lexicon. The blue highlight indicates the sources the scholars used to determine the definition of the word. This is scholarship not some guy with a PhD saying "This word means "X" it never means "Y." That is the kind of pseudo-scholarship I was objecting to in my previous post.

Καῖσαρ, αρος, ὁ (=Lat. Caesar; on the distribution of this word, freq. found in lit., ins, pap s. Hahn [sources and lit. 123, 3] and Magie.—Philo, Joseph., Ar. [ins], Just., SibOr, loanw. in rabb.—In our lit. w. the art. only Mt 22:21 v.l.; Lk 20:25 v.l.; J 19:12 [s. B-D-F §254, 1]; Just., A I, 17, 1) emperor, Caesar (orig. a proper name, then used as a title) Mt 22:17, 21a; Mk 12:14, 16; Lk 20:22, 24; 23:2 (s. φόρος); J 19:12b (cp. Philo, In Flacc. 40), 15; Ac 17:7; 25:8, 10–12, 21; 26:32; 27:24; 28:19; κύριος Κ. MPol 8:2. ὀμνύναι τὴν Καίσαρος τύχην (s. τύχη) 9:2; 10:1. τὰ Καίσαρος what belongs to the emperor Mt 22:21b; Mk 12:17; Lk 20:25 (HWindisch, Imperium u. Evangelium im NT ’31; KPieper ThGl 25, ’33, 661–69; EStauffer, Gott u. Kaiser im NT ’35; GKittel, Christus u. Imperator ’39; JBenum, Gud och Kejsaren ’40; HLoewe, ‘Render Unto Caesar’ ’40; NHommes, God en Kejzer in het NT ’41; OEck, Urgem. u. Imperium ’41; MDibelius, Rom u. die Christen im 1. Jahrh. ’42; JDerrett, Law in the NT, ’70). φίλος τ. Καίσαρος friend of the emperor (as official title CIG 3499, 4; 3500, 4; Epict. 3, 4, 2; 4, 1, 8; 45–48; 95; 4, 4, 5; Jos., Ant. 14, 131) J 19:12a (EBamel, TLZ 77, ’52, 205–10); AcPl Ha 11, 4. οἱ ἐκ τῆς Καίσαρος οἰκίας those (slaves) who belong to the emperor’s household Phil 4:22 (s. Lghtf., Phil 171ff; Dssm., LO 127, 1; 202, 3; 380 [LAE 382]; New Docs 3, 7–9; and s. οἰκία 3).—W. proper names Τιβέριος Κ. Emperor Tiberius Lk 3:1 (Just., A I, 13, 3). ἐπὶ Κλαυδίου Κ. Ac 11:28 v.l. (cp. Just., A I, 26, 2; 56, 2). Κ. Νέρων 2 Ti subscr.; without name AcPl Ha 9, 4; 14; 26. But Καῖσαρ Αὔγουστος Caesar Augustus Lk 2:1, since here Κ. is not a title, but a part of the name (Bl-D. §5, 3a).—Pauly-W. Suppl. IV 806–53; IX 1139–54; Kl. Pauly II 1110–122; IV 1135–40. B. 1324. M-M. TW.
Arndt, W., Danker, F. W., Bauer, W., & Gingrich, F. W. (2000). A Greek-English lexicon of the New Testament and other early Christian literature (3rd ed., pp. 498–499). Chicago: University of Chicago Press.

FineLinen · Apr 5, 2020

Shrewd Manager said:
Ok, but I disagree with the young interviewee's endorsement of Shakespeare's 'All the world's a stage.' That's of the devil, where everything's false.

God, however, keeps it real. There is nothing more real on earth than the work of the Cross. Jesus Christ is the way the truth and the life. With him there's no play-acting or shadow of turning.

Dear Ben: the young interviewee is perhaps on the early stages of the Journey, with a greater area of ground to cover in coming episodes.

Gerry B., on the other hand, is a remarkable trophy of Father's mighty draw in the Master.

Shrewd Manager · Apr 5, 2020

FineLinen said:
Dear Ben: the young interviewee is perhaps on the early stages of the Journey, with a greater area of ground to cover in coming episodes.

Gerry B., on the other hand, is a remarkable trophy of Father's mighty draw in the Master.

What a wonderful wide-ranging summary and essential apologetic that encapsulates our faith!

I'd read a little of his writings in the past, and was aware of he was a good friend of Gary Amirault, but hadn't heard how he conveys the gospel. Just great, thanks F.L.

Shrewd Manager · Apr 5, 2020

Der Alter said:
I respect credible scholarship.

I'm surprised you're not a Roman Catholic or some kind of Orthodox then der Alter. Aren't they able to reasonably claim the weight of scholarly tradition, the Magisterium etc? Why would Protestant or even Baptist scholarship be any better - it's further removed from Christ's lifetime and has a shorter tradition.

Der Alter said:
This is scholarship not some guy with a PhD saying "This word means "X" it never means "Y." That is the kind of pseudo-scholarship I was objecting to in my previous post.

There's lots of credible scholars who've give detailed and balanced opinions on the meaning and usages of 'aionion', for example (just lately) Iliaria Ramelli.

But my question was in regards to your interpretation of the scripture 'revealed unto babes'.
Matthew 11:25 At that time Jesus declared, "I praise You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because You have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children.

Are not the 'wise and prudent' therein the Pharisees and scribes? Are scholars of today not of the ilk of scribes?

Der Alte · Apr 5, 2020

Shrewd Manager said:
I'm surprised you're not a Roman Catholic or some kind of Orthodox then der Alter. Aren't they able to reasonably claim the weight of scholarly tradition, the Magisterium etc? Why would Protestant or even Baptist scholarship be any better - it's further removed from Christ's lifetime and has a shorter tradition.

Rubbish. Much of this tirade does not merit a response. If you can find legitimate fault with my quote from BDAG do so. I'm not interested in empty objections.

There's lots of credible scholars who've give detailed and balanced opinions on the meaning and usages of 'aionion', for example (just lately) Iliaria Ramelli.

More rubbish. Some other guy quoted the high priestess of UR Ilaria Ramelli to me about Origen I proved her wrong. It cost me $60 for Origen's commentary on John, Her claim that Origen spoke about "after eternal life" is patently false.

But my question was in regards to your interpretation of the scripture 'revealed unto babes'.
Matthew 11:25 At that time Jesus declared, "I praise You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because You have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children.
Are not the 'wise and prudent' therein the Pharisees and scribes? Are scholars of today not of the ilk of scribes?

Luke was a physician, Paul was trained exactly as the Pharisees etc. I was a babe when I became a Christian, I did not get higher education until 2 decades later so your attempt to insult me with scripture just bit you in the backside. You want to slam scholars because they are educated? Your high priestess is one of them.
If you can show me that I am wrong do so without insults.

Shrewd Manager · Apr 5, 2020

Der Alter said:
Rubbish. Much of this tirade does not merit a response. If you can find legitimate fault with my quote from BDAG do so. I'm not interested in empty objections.

Tirade? I'm enquiring as to the basis of your judgment as to what constitutes 'credible' scholarship. So far it seems to be entirely subjective and self-serving.

Der Alter said:
More rubbish. Some other guy quoted the high priestess of UR Ilaria Ramelli to me about Origen I proved her wrong. It cost me $60 for Origen's commentary on John, Her claim that Origen spoke about "after eternal life" is patently false.

In what language did you read Origen's commentary? And whose translation?
And another thing - throw the money-changers from the temple!

Der Alter said:
Luke was a physician, Paul was trained exactly as the Pharisees etc. I was a babe when I became a Christian, I did not get higher education until 2 decades later so your attempt to insult me with scripture just bit you in the backside. You want to slam scholars because they are educated? Your high priestess is one of them.
If you can show me that I am wrong do so without insults.

Why so rebarbative der Alter? Hope everything's ok with you brother.

What's wrong with a gospel that is beautiful in its simplicity and gives all the glory to God?

Der Alte · Apr 5, 2020

Shrewd Manager said:
Tirade? I'm enquiring as to the basis of your judgment as to what constitutes 'credible' scholarship. So far it seems to be entirely subjective and self-serving.

Don't try to impugn my sources unless you can show conclusively they are wrong. How can me quoting from BDAG be self-serving?

In what language did you read Origen's commentary? And whose translation?
And another thing - throw the money-changers from the temple!

Again don't try to impugn my sources unless you can show conclusively they are wrong. Can you read Greek? I can.

Commentary on the Gospel according to John, Books 13—32
Book 13 p. 72 (18) For, as there, the bridegroom leaps upon souls that are more noble-natured and divine, called mountains, and skips upon the inferior ones called hills, so here the fountain that appears in the one who drinks of the water that Jesus gives leaps into eternal life.
(19) And after eternal life, perhaps it will also leap into the Father who is beyond eternal life. For Christ is life; but he who is greater than Christ is greater than life.20[1]
p. 80 (60) And he has explained the statement, “But he shall not thirst forever,” as follows with these very words: For the life he gives is eternal and never perishes, as, indeed, does the first life which comes from the well; the life he gives remains. For the grace and the gift of our Savior is not to be taken away, nor is it consumed, nor does it perish, when one partakes of it.[2]
[2] Origen. (1993). Commentary on the Gospel According to John Books 12-32
(T. P. Halton, Ed., R. E. Heine, Trans.) (Vol. 89, pp. 81–82). Washington, DC: The Catholic University of America Press.

Why so rebarbative der Alter? Hope everything's ok with you brother.

One should not use words they don'tr understand. You don't like the appearance of the English language? Which brother would that be? You're not talking about my cousin Carlos Ray are you?

What's wrong with a gospel that is beautiful in its simplicity and gives all the glory to God?

Who said anything about the gospel being wrong?

Shrewd Manager · Apr 5, 2020

Der Alter said:
Don't try to impugn my sources unless you can show conclusively they are wrong. How can me quoting from BDAG be self-serving?

Again don't try to impugn my sources unless you can show conclusively they are wrong. Can you read Greek? I can.

Commentary on the Gospel according to John, Books 13—32
Book 13 p. 72 (18) For, as there, the bridegroom leaps upon souls that are more noble-natured and divine, called mountains, and skips upon the inferior ones called hills, so here the fountain that appears in the one who drinks of the water that Jesus gives leaps into eternal life.
(19) And after eternal life, perhaps it will also leap into the Father who is beyond eternal life. For Christ is life; but he who is greater than Christ is greater than life.20[1]
p. 80 (60) And he has explained the statement, “But he shall not thirst forever,” as follows with these very words: For the life he gives is eternal and never perishes, as, indeed, does the first life which comes from the well; the life he gives remains. For the grace and the gift of our Savior is not to be taken away, nor is it consumed, nor does it perish, when one partakes of it.[2]
[2] Origen. (1993). Commentary on the Gospel According to John Books 12-32
(T. P. Halton, Ed., R. E. Heine, Trans.) (Vol. 89, pp. 81–82). Washington, DC: The Catholic University of America Press.

One should not use words they don'tr understand. You don't like the appearance of the English language? Which brother would that be? You're not talking about my cousin Carlos Ray are you?

Who said anything about the gospel being wrong?

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