What does America even represent at this point

rambot · Apr 2, 2020

Osmotik said:
From wars started by false flags and motivated by greed and the military-industrial complex, etc., I don't really have much love for the USA governmentally speaking. Coming from the south & midwest, I feel like we are used and talked about like trash by people on the coasts. My college puts international students and rich kids above middle class Americans.

If you come to the US from another country, let's say Mexico, you can say you're Mexican-American. If I move to Mexico, the people won't consider me Mexican, I'd just be American. The same if I went to Japan, Germany, and so on. Basically, anyone with another home country has the option to pick whatever side they want when hard times come. The US is an empire, and Americans who have lived here for generations don't have a true nation. We are disadvantaged in the fact that we can't have our own culture, and people with another homeland will generally take sides with that country over America. I feel like I don't have an identity. Does anyone else feel like this?

By no means am I a 'white nationalist'. I'm not fighting or advocating for a skin color. I just hope thats understood. I'm honestly considering just leaving the US at some point. I'm a reasonable person so I mean no disrespect, I am just trying to figure out exactly what I am fighting for. Thanks.

I think you're starting from a false premise of you believe that 'america can't have its own culture"
America is a melting pot.

I would also point out that a lot of your issues are very much class issues as opposed to national issues (eg...your college experience....intl. students bring in big bucks)

So yeah if you are fighting for America you are fighting for the rich. And they'll give you only as much as they can get away with.

lordjeff · Apr 2, 2020

America is not perfect but it certainly has been the beacon of liberty & reasonably good economics. At times some of the leaders do get lost in that military-industrial complex. At times we have harkened away from the call of the gospel. I'm watching an Oliver Stone doc at the moment & one can even in the past wars, history repeats & repeats some people just want a bigger empire & the suits in the back room makes the deals.

cow451 · Apr 2, 2020

Osmotik said:
From wars started by false flags and motivated by greed and the military-industrial complex, etc., I don't really have much love for the USA governmentally speaking. Coming from the south & midwest, I feel like we are used and talked about like trash by people on the coasts. My college puts international students and rich kids above middle class Americans.

If you come to the US from another country, let's say Mexico, you can say you're Mexican-American. If I move to Mexico, the people won't consider me Mexican, I'd just be American. The same if I went to Japan, Germany, and so on. Basically, anyone with another home country has the option to pick whatever side they want when hard times come. The US is an empire, and Americans who have lived here for generations don't have a true nation. We are disadvantaged in the fact that we can't have our own culture, and people with another homeland will generally take sides with that country over America. I feel like I don't have an identity. Does anyone else feel like this?

By no means am I a 'white nationalist'. I'm not fighting or advocating for a skin color. I just hope thats understood. I'm honestly considering just leaving the US at some point. I'm a reasonable person so I mean no disrespect, I am just trying to figure out exactly what I am fighting for. Thanks.

Do not allow the door to collide with your backside on your way out.

cow451 · Apr 2, 2020

GACfan said:
Actually America was formed by white protestant men (WASPs) forcibly taking tribal lands and either killing off or forcibly removing entire Indigenous tribes to barren wastelands called the Reservation.

Well, it sounds so ugly when you put it that way.

cow451 · Apr 2, 2020

Osmotik said:
Thanks for reassurance. I might just need to slow down and think more and not worry. And we have to always remember that our unity with God is first over man made nations. God bless

Breathe..... and don’t vote for old White people. I can say that, being that’s my demographic.

cow451 · Apr 2, 2020

Osmotik said:
Nice. I'm realizing I can't fall for too much pride in my country, and to remember that humanity is God's creation.

Shucks! Now you’re making me feel bad for making fun of you. :bow:

Ken Rank · Apr 2, 2020

Kentonio said:
It used to be, and it still represents an attractive proposition for a lot of people, particularly from the second and third world. For Europeans however, the glamour has faded a lot in recent decades. When I was a kid most teenagers would have loved to move to America. Now it’s a lot, lot less. Bush and now Trump along with the wide spread of information via the internet has shown people a lot of the dark side, especially after the wars in Iraq.

So we really don't need border security, people aren't coming across the southern border in droves?

Kentonio · Apr 2, 2020

Ken Rank said:
So we really don't need border security, people aren't coming across the southern border in droves?

Is Mexico in Europe now? In no way did I say that people living in a second world country riven with cartel warfare wouldn’t want to come to America, of course they would. Just that the idea that every countries citizens dream of migrating to America is quite out of touch with reality these days.

Ana the Ist · Apr 2, 2020

cow451 said:
Well, it sounds so ugly when you put it that way.

I know, right? You'd think those native Americans weren't trying to kill white Protestant men and just took it all in stride.

Tom 1 · Apr 2, 2020

Ken Rank said:
The interesting thing a about the US... it remains the one place everyone else wants to come to.

That’s a very persistent idea, I don’t think it’s been true (to the extent it ever was, which is quite limited) for a long time though, maybe since early last century or thereabouts. I’m not sure why it persists. It might be true that some people in some poorer nations aim to get to the US, but that’s a very small percentage of everyone.

Richard T · Apr 3, 2020

Having moved to Europe a long time ago, God exposed my lack of depth. Part of that was because I was stony ground as this scripture suggests. Mark 4:16-17 (KJV)
16 And these are they likewise which are sown on stony ground; who, when they have heard the word, immediately receive it with gladness;
17 And have no root in themselves, and so endure but for a time: afterward, when affliction or persecution ariseth for the word's sake, immediately they are offended.

You have to find some natural roots, I believe as well as being "rooted and grounded in love." For me that was embracing my families historical past. Upon returning to the USA, I learned to embrace the rural, pioneer culture and mindset of my midwest roots. Before that transformation, I disdained such things. To sum it up, be rooted in God but also give your own families heritage a second look, not for the negatives but for the good parts that you surely should come to terms with.

Kaon · Apr 3, 2020

Osmotik said:
From wars started by false flags and motivated by greed and the military-industrial complex, etc., I don't really have much love for the USA governmentally speaking. Coming from the south & midwest, I feel like we are used and talked about like trash by people on the coasts. My college puts international students and rich kids above middle class Americans.

If you come to the US from another country, let's say Mexico, you can say you're Mexican-American. If I move to Mexico, the people won't consider me Mexican, I'd just be American. The same if I went to Japan, Germany, and so on. Basically, anyone with another home country has the option to pick whatever side they want when hard times come. The US is an empire, and Americans who have lived here for generations don't have a true nation. We are disadvantaged in the fact that we can't have our own culture, and people with another homeland will generally take sides with that country over America. I feel like I don't have an identity. Does anyone else feel like this?

By no means am I a 'white nationalist'. I'm not fighting or advocating for a skin color. I just hope thats understood. I'm honestly considering just leaving the US at some point. I'm a reasonable person so I mean no disrespect, I am just trying to figure out exactly what I am fighting for. Thanks.

America represents confusion, delicious living, lack of care for fellow man (unless there is a pandemic that threatens their personal life, for example), and a grand illusion of togetherness that is, in reality, a social and economic pyramid scheme. Babylon. Because America also ignores its painful treatment of hyphenated Americans (its own citizens), it stays in the degeneracy it is in now.

America was perfectly fine fighting for corporate interests and ignoring the "crazy" people that warned us about it. America has been perfectly fine with the nation never going more than 3 years without war since 1956, despite the warnings about our involvement in creating puppet regimes and starting coups (coups that later hurt us). Americans had to be told blacks, latinos, natives, Asians and women deserved rights. America eats its young because despite the veneer of "religiosity," we are a competitive lot.

America is the definition of living above your spiritual means: we lack the spiritual substance to understand the Most High, we do not care for hyphenated Americans (we always think they are trying to get something or cheat someone), we lack the courage to entertain something that scares us (even if true) and we have the audacity to believe we are progressing. We are easily manipulated, and we enjoy it - because we have worked hard to be in this degenerate situation. Notice I never said Americans are stupid, because they aren't; we choose to ignore things because of ego, and a delusion of security and comfort we feel we are deserved. And, if you tell someone (with a soft heart) the problems of America no one will listen - because we pride ourselves on our ignirance. It takes a pandemic, alien invasion, meteor strike, or something drastic for us to even consider changing for the better. That means we never changed for the better at all, we were coerced by fear, social pressure and necessity.

We were warned, now we want to cry as if we didn't spend a great majority of our time scoffing at and deriding the very warnings we claim we never received. You will be fighting for people who wouldn't spit on you if you were on fire - after you just saw your best friend/brother explode in front of you fighting for their freedom to treat you like garbage. You are fighting for the freedom of ignorant or prejudiced persons to deride you and forget about you. You are fighting for delusions of pre-programmed grandeur and illusions of false security.

Allandavid · Apr 3, 2020

Ken Rank said:
The interesting thing a about the US... it remains the one place everyone else wants to come to.

Really...??

grasping the after wind · Apr 3, 2020

durangodawood said:
Somehow you totally forgot "Party", which goes just before or after "God".

Unfortunately that seems to be the case with politicians but , I would outlaw political parties if I could.

durangodawood · Apr 3, 2020

grasping the after wind said:
Unfortunately that seems to be the case with politicians but , I would outlaw political parties if I could.

Its the case generally, I think.

Also, I think youd need to remove freedom of assembly from the constitution to outlaw political parties.

grasping the after wind · Apr 3, 2020

durangodawood said:
Its the case generally, I think.

Also, I think youd need to remove freedom of assembly from the constitution to outlaw political parties.

That's why I said "if I could". But since I can't I will simply continue to disparage them whenever I get the chance and tell everyone how much wiser they would be acting if they would refrain from joining them.

ZNP · Apr 3, 2020

Osmotik said:
From wars started by false flags and motivated by greed and the military-industrial complex, etc., I don't really have much love for the USA governmentally speaking. Coming from the south & midwest, I feel like we are used and talked about like trash by people on the coasts. My college puts international students and rich kids above middle class Americans.

If you come to the US from another country, let's say Mexico, you can say you're Mexican-American. If I move to Mexico, the people won't consider me Mexican, I'd just be American. The same if I went to Japan, Germany, and so on. Basically, anyone with another home country has the option to pick whatever side they want when hard times come. The US is an empire, and Americans who have lived here for generations don't have a true nation. We are disadvantaged in the fact that we can't have our own culture, and people with another homeland will generally take sides with that country over America. I feel like I don't have an identity. Does anyone else feel like this?

By no means am I a 'white nationalist'. I'm not fighting or advocating for a skin color. I just hope thats understood. I'm honestly considering just leaving the US at some point. I'm a reasonable person so I mean no disrespect, I am just trying to figure out exactly what I am fighting for. Thanks.

I visited Mexico, as we were driving through this city we saw a house with a high wall, barbed wire and guards. The person I was with pointed out the house and told me they had an indoor tennis court and swimming pool. I asked who lived there. The police chief.

When I was in Taiwan I worked at a school that taught English. Periodically the police would come in with their little black book to make sure all the appropriate bribes had been paid. It is called a "hidden tax" so that Taiwan can appear to have a very low tax rate.

When I walked the streets of Taiwan I could hear little kids telling their mother "Kan, Iga weigoren" which means "Look, a foreigner". You felt like you lived in the zoo. When I rode my motorcycle I would get so outraged at how incredibly rude and dangerous the drivers were until one day I put a helmet on, then it all stopped. When they couldn't tell I was a foreigner then they were polite.

You sound like someone who has not had much experience traveling around the world.

Osmotik · Apr 3, 2020

Kaon said:
America represents confusion, delicious living, lack of care for fellow man (unless there is a pandemic that threatens their personal life, for example), and a grand illusion of togetherness that is, in reality, a social and economic pyramid scheme. Babylon. Because America also ignores its painful treatment of hyphenated Americans (its own citizens), it stays in the degeneracy it is in now.

America was perfectly fine fighting for corporate interests and ignoring the "crazy" people that warned us about it. America has been perfectly fine with the nation never going more than 3 years without war since 1956, despite the warnings about our involvement in creating puppet regimes and starting coups (coups that later hurt us). Americans had to be told blacks, latinos, natives, Asians and women deserved rights. America eats its young because despite the veneer of "religiosity," we are a competitive lot.

America is the definition of living above your spiritual means: we lack the spiritual substance to understand the Most High, we do not care for hyphenated Americans (we always think they are trying to get something or cheat someone), we lack the courage to entertain something that scares us (even if true) and we have the audacity to believe we are progressing. We are easily manipulated, and we enjoy it - because we have worked hard to be in this degenerate situation. Notice I never said Americans are stupid, because they aren't; we choose to ignore things because of ego, and a delusion of security and comfort we feel we are deserved. And, if you tell someone (with a soft heart) the problems of America no one will listen - because we pride ourselves on our ignirance. It takes a pandemic, alien invasion, meteor strike, or something drastic for us to even consider changing for the better. That means we never changed for the better at all, we were coerced by fear, social pressure and necessity.

We were warned, now we want to cry as if we didn't spend a great majority of our time scoffing at and deriding the very warnings we claim we never received. You will be fighting for people who wouldn't spit on you if you were on fire - after you just saw your best friend/brother explode in front of you fighting for their freedom to treat you like garbage. You are fighting for the freedom of ignorant or prejudiced persons to deride you and forget about you. You are fighting for delusions of pre-programmed grandeur and illusions of false security.

Exactly. I'm done with America.

GACfan · Apr 3, 2020

Osmotik said:
Exactly. I'm done with America.

I'm not trying to put you on the spot, Osmotik, but what do you mean you're done with America?

Osmotik · Apr 4, 2020

GACfan said:
I'm not trying to put you on the spot, Osmotik, but what do you mean you're done with America?

Sorry for the late reply, honestly either I want to live elsewhere once I graduate or I'll live here but just see it as my temporary home. I don't care about the politics or patriotism at this point. Not trying to be negative though plenty to be rejoiceful over in this life

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Aggressively serene!

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That's grasping after the wind

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