Trump says Republicans would ‘never’ be elected again if voting was easier

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In regards to Presidential elections, demographic change will do the same. When either Florida or Texas turn blue (for TX, it's a sure thing within 15 years) a Republican will never be elected President again.

They will, they'll just soften some of their party platforms.

For instance, you'll have candidates in the GOP at that point who are still pro-gun and anti-regulatory, but they'll be pro-gay marriage and marijuana legalization.

You'll see fewer Donald Trumps and Mike Pences, and more Bill Welds and Charlie Bakers coming to the forefront of the party.

Texas is home to one of the largest Chapters of "PinkPistols", a gay gun rights organization...so there's still plenty of room for a revised version of the GOP to come in and win on certain issues that mainstream democrats would fail on.
 
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I'll openly acknowledge the fact that the GOP engages in voter suppression at a 3:1 rate compared to democratic party efforts to do the same (gerrymandering, voter ID laws, etc...)

However, I'd like to know more about what kind of "easier voting" we're talking about.

I find gerrymandering and certain implementations of Voter ID laws to be abhorrent...but the polar opposite extreme, of people claiming 16 year olds should have the right to vote, is equally problematic.
 
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However, I'd like to know more about what kind of "easier voting" we're talking about.

I find gerrymandering and certain implementations of Voter ID laws to be abhorrent...but the polar opposite extreme, of people claiming 16 year olds should have the right to vote, is equally problematic.
I agree.

For what ever reason when I read, ""They had things—levels of voting that.."
my thoughts went immediately to what is referred to as ranked choice.
I don't know if that's what was being referred to or not.
 
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I didn't change the subject to voter suppression it's the subject of the thread.
No, it isn't.

Rhode Island has 4 electors, so it's representation is based upon population.
No, that's not true either. As all states have two of their electoral votes based upon having two senators, the state is overrepresented compared to, say, New York or Massachusetts which get two also but have much more population. At least that is how the people who favor a direct popular vote see the matter.

So, 3 to 5, which adds into the electoral college, and the US Senate where DC doesn't count, and where 40 votes is enough to stall almost all regular business. adds into the electoral college, and the US Senate where DC doesn't count, and where 40 votes is enough to stall almost all regular business.

Oh dear. Deciding where to begin to straighten out all the mistakes in that short paragraph would be a challenge, so I'll just suggest you ask a friend to explain it to you.
 
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No, that's not true either. As all states have two of their electoral votes based upon having two senators, the state is overrepresented compared to, say, New York or Massachusetts which get two also but have much more population. At least that is how the people who favor a direct popular vote see the matter.

The state minimum is 3, everything beyond 3 is determined by population.

So that would mean the 25 smallest states have the most input into the electoral college, and those are dominated by republicans. So, the analysis works either way.

Oh dear. Deciding where to begin to straighten out all the mistakes in that short paragraph would be a challenge, so I'll just suggest you ask a friend to explain it to you.

Posturing doesn't make a real argument.
 
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You'll see fewer Donald Trumps and Mike Pences, and more Bill Welds and Charlie Bakers coming to the forefront of the party.

I sincerely hope so. I voted for Bill Weld in the Missouri primary election early last month. My politics are closest to that of the old northeastern progressive Republicans. Like Teddy Roosevelt. Which later became the party of Nelson Rockefeller, Jacob Javitz, Margaret Chase Smith, Jim Jeffords, and Olympia Snowe. Socially liberal (or libertarian) and economically moderate/conservative. That’s when it really was the Grand Old Party. Before it sold out to reactionary religious conservatives.
 
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The state minimum is 3, everything beyond 3 is determined by population.

So that would mean the 25 smallest states have the most input into the electoral college, and those are dominated by republicans.

! There isn't a single Republican Senator OR Representative from Vermont, New Hampshire, Delaware, Rhode Island, or Hawaii. The District of Columbia has 3 Electoral College votes although it has NO voting members in either the Senate or House of Representatives and is the most Democratic jurisdiction among the whole of the America's 50 states + DC.

"dominated by Republicans" in someone's dream is more like it, therefore.
 
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! There isn't a single Republican Senator OR Representative from Vermont, New Hampshire, Delaware, Rhode Island, or Hawaii!!

"dominated by Republicans" in someone's dream. And the next rank of states are represented by both Democrats and Republicans, so no "dominated by Republicans" there, either.

Republicans in the senate on average represent fewer people, it's not even a hard analysis.
 
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Shouldn't we have the full statement in context to make a proper judgment?

I checked out one of the links and it cut off the president in mid sentence, which leaves it suspect to interpretations -
 
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A photo ID is what is being proposed for voting. The items you listed may be acceptable in some states for obtaining the state ID or DL, prior to election day.. but they would not be acceptable at a polling location as none of them are photo IDs.

Edit to add:
11% of U.S. citizens – or more than 21 million Americans – do not have government-issued photo identification. (ACLU 2017)
I want a DL or voter ID. Was just saying those things could be used to get an ID.
 
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