Historicist Only What is the Historicist view of the ‘Times of the Gentiles’?

jgr said:

Scholarly consensus for Paul's letter to the Romans is before AD60, as you've opined.

There is no doubt that Paul understood the distinction between faithful obedient, and unfaithful disobedient; Israel (Romans 9:6-8,27; 10:1,21; 11:1-5,7,23,26; et al). From the time of Israel's birth, the only chosen people were the faithful obedient elect remnant within the nation. These, God preserved and protected.

The unfaithful and disobedient, He slew by the thousands.

Paul would have been entirely unsurprised by the events of AD70.

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The question concerns the nation of Israel and that nation in the old covenant relation with God.

Hebrews 8:13
When He said, “A new covenant,” He has made the first obsolete. But whatever is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to disappear.

All promises and agreements between Israel and God, were annulled by the termination of that covenant.

Israel no longer holds first place among the nations. As a nation, Israel had not been seen for two thousand years. Ample proof that covenant Israel was no longer the chosen nation.

Modern Israel is a secular nation and not covenant Israel.

Christian Gedge said:

Sure, and that explains Romans 11:25-26:

"I do not want you to be unaware of this mystery, brothers: a partial hardening has come upon Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. And in this way all Israel will be saved,"​

"All Israel" includes all believing Jews and Gentiles. I hope that people realise that is what I'm saying. However, I’m adding that "all Israel" will only be complete when a final influx of Jews come to faith after the ‘times of the Gentiles’.

Incidentally, my position is a common Amil view. The thread was for Historicists to share their take but only a few have responded. They point to 1967 whereas I’m looking for signs of national repentance.

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Yes; the 'All Israel' quote does not mean all of the national Jewish State of Israel.
It refers to all the people who have been grafted into the true Israel - Jesus the One who Overcame Satan for God, as we Christians are; Jews and from every race, nation and language.

Where all those who look for a general redemption for ethnic Israel, the Jews, or even a third; Zechariah 13:7-9, make a mistake, is by ignoring the many prophesies that plainly say how Judah will be virtually gone after the forthcoming Day of the Lord's fiery wrath.
Isaiah 29:1-4 tells what will happen; only a few will survive hiding underground, in bunkers.

Isaiah 29:5-8 goes on to say how the Lord's sudden destruction will depopulate the entire Middle East. Ezekiel 30:1-5, Amos 1 & 2:1-5, Zephaniah 1:14-18, Isaiah 22:1-14, +

Christian Gedge said:

Incidentally, my position is a common Amil view. The thread was for Historicists to share their take but only a few have responded. They point to 1967 whereas I’m looking for signs of national repentance.

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The millennium is a time of complete peace in the world. In revelation 20 it says Satan is bound during the millennium. Satan is not bound at the moment so it can't be the millennium.
Revelation 20 New King James Version (NKJV)

Revelation 20 Satan Bound 1,000 Years

20 Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven, having the key to the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. 2 He laid hold of the dragon, that serpent of old, who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years; 3 and he cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal on him, so that he should deceive the nations no more till the thousand years were finished. But after these things he must be released for a little while.

Revelation 19 is the 2nd coming

Revelation 19
19 And I saw the beast, the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against Him who sat on the horse and against His army. 20 Then the beast was captured, and with him the false prophet who worked signs in his presence, by which he deceived those who received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image. These two were cast alive into the lake of fire burning with brimstone. 21 And the rest were killed with the sword which proceeded from the mouth of Him who sat on the horse. And all the birds were filled with their flesh.

At the 2nd coming the beast and false prophet are cast into the lake of fire. This hasn't happened yet so we can't be in the millennium.
so the Amil view is not correct.

Christian Gedge said:

Do Historicists still follow this day-year theory?

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"Protestant Reformers were well established on the day/year principle and it was also accepted by many Christian groups, ministers, and theologians.[10][11][12]

Others who expounded the Historicist interpretation are John Wycliffe, John Knox, William Tyndale, Martin Luther, John Calvin, Ulrich Zwingli, Philip Melanchthon, Isaac Newton, Jan Hus, John Foxe, John Wesley, Jonathan Edwards,[13] George Whitefield, Charles Finney, C. H. Spurgeon, Matthew Henry, Adam Clarke, Albert Barnes, and Bishop Thomas Newton.[14]"

Very good company.

Luke 13
31 The same day there came certain of the Pharisees, saying unto him, Get thee out, and depart hence: for Herod will kill thee.
32 And he said unto them, Go ye, and tell that fox, Behold, I cast out devils, and I do cures to day and to morrow, and the third day I shall be perfected.
33 Nevertheless I must walk to day, and to morrow, and the day following: for it cannot be that a prophet perish out of Jerusalem.

The best company.